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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Am I the only one who thinks that despite the romance being shorter, it's better than the ME2 one? I'm actually rooting for them as a couple now. Before I thought it had all the depth of the romance in a Bond movie. And now, I think he loves her.

The romance comes across as a lot more mature, I agree. But the actual scenes feel perfunctory compared to ME2's, especially in the animations. In spite of liking the emotional tone of the ME3 romance better, I couldn't say which one I'd prefer if I had to choose. Apart from Shepard's VA and the engine room scene, the ME2 scenes were appropriate for starting a romance, putting them into ME3 wouldn't work and putting the emotional tone of the ME3 romance into ME2 wouldn't work so well either. The ME3 romance hasn't got a big flaw like the ME2 romance, but it also hasn't got a real highlight. The scenes are good, but mostly it's just there. 

[jtav]

All I know is that I now find Shepard a worthy partner for her where I didn't before. I actually got a little jealous when he said he always wanted her in his life. It's like it night and day difference.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

All I know is that I now find Shepard a worthy partner for her where I didn't before. I actually got a little jealous when he said he always wanted her in his life. It's like it night and day difference.

Well, other than the engine room being a stupid choice on the part of the developers, my only real issue with the ME2 romance is that I don't have the dialogue options I want for Shepard on more than one occasion. But, overall, I think it works as the start of a romance.

In ME3 the tone of Shepard's dialogue is improved, and the romance has matured, but the implementation is too shoddy and half-hearted for me to be happy with it.

Also, the writing/plotting for Miranda has taken a nosedive (*understatement*). Miranda in ME2 is awesome. What they've done in ME3 just barely escapes being a total disaster. And I'm not really sure it does, in itself. If we didn't have ME2 to back it up, it would be very thin indeed.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[jtav]

I feel like I should resign my fan card. I know everything you said is true. I know it's objectively bad and that the e-mail is pretty much the saving grace of her characterization. And yet, I don't feel anger as much as the desire to take my proverbial red pen and fix it. And sigh over the romantic bits now that there's no point in me stressing how much I like the other aspects of her character.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
And yet, I don't feel anger as much as the desire to take my proverbial red pen and fix it.

Well, that's perfectly healthy, and I look forward to reading it

[Skullheart]

I still wanted pillow talk... but I guess that thing is only for the romances in the Normandy.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I feel like I should resign my fan card. I know everything you said is true. I know it's objectively bad and that the e-mail is pretty much the saving grace of her characterization. And yet, I don't feel anger as much as the desire to take my proverbial red pen and fix it. And sigh over the romantic bits now that there's no point in me stressing how much I like the other aspects of her character.

I say focusing on something creative is good.

Perhaps we're all a little more relaxed now that we don't have to fight for Miranda's future in another game. So it's now easier to work with what's there and extend and improve it. I won't stop saying what I think of MIranda in ME3 (no need to repeat it here since flemm has already said it), but I guess i won't press my points with the same force anymore.

[enayasoul]

ThomGau wrote...

Agreed jtav.
I'm replaying the ME2 romance arc in my head and comparing it with the ME3 one, they are now deeply in love with each other. Perhaps they are more intimate and playful. Shepard acts like a real boyfriend.
Also, you could see that "improvement' as the evolution of their relationship. In ME3, they surely know each other better than anyone else, in ME2 they were "discovering" each other.

However it would need to be more fleshed out but compared to the other ME2 exclusive LIs it is relatively good.

This!

I would have loved or would LOVE to see Shepard and Miranda more intimate and playful with each other and not just flirty looks but actions as well.  That is sorely missed.  How they would spend their "downtime" together?  So much potential to be explored with Miranda's character!  She's absolutely fabulous and has come so far in the series! 

I can only wish Bioware adds Miranda and Shepard to the list for a romance DLC that's been rumored.  I'd be estatic to see them togather again.  Miranda saving Shepard again... why not right?  Shepard owes her twice for saving his ass. Wouldn't that be something good? :happy:  C'mon!  More Miranda and Shepard romance please.

[Lawbringer-SR2]

I'm sure we all want that, but in order for that to happen, we'll have to be patient. I know Yvonne is currently shooting in Australia. So in order to get the amazing content we all want, we'll have to wait for her to not be preoccupied with shooting I, Frankenstein. But yes, most certainly do want more of Miss Lawson!

[Skullheart]

A DLC with content of Miranda is impossible. They wont ask Yvonne to come and record more lines. She's expensive and they already said that they needed to sideline the characters from ME2 and writing reduced lines by budget issues. I believe Samara's writer said it.

Modifié par Skullheart, 20 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...
She's expensive and they already said that they needed to sideline the characters from ME2 and writing reduced lines by budget issues. I believe Samara's writer said it.

Well, Samara's writer said something specific about not being able to put in references to attempts to romance Samara due to being on a strict line budget by that time. There was nothing about ME2 characters in general, though it stands to reason that the latter portion of the game was most affected by this (and that is supported by the actual content).

Anyway, we have no way to evaluate the feasibility of this, you are just being negative

You could also be right, of course. Admittedly, most negativity about Miranda's role in ME3 has been correct. To an extent that actually continues to boggle my mind a bit.

Modifié par flemm, 20 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[jtav]

I'd say Miranda DLC is unlikely because she always dies unless you import.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I'd say Miranda DLC is unlikely because she always dies unless you import.

Actually, I don't think that part really matters, since the DLC could easily just flag her as loyal, or provide a mission that accomplishes this.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say Miranda DLC is unlikely because she always dies unless you import.

Actually, I don't think that part really matters, since the DLC could easily just flag her as loyal, or provide a mission that accomplishes this.

seeing how poorly Miranda was represented in ME3, i wouldnt hope for a DLC

[jtav]

Who wants more Matt and Miranda?

[pyro_technician]

jtav wrote...

Who wants more Matt and Miranda?

I'm game.

[jtav]

Henry had been a scientist first, a businessman second, and a father a distant third. He had wanted his office close to the labs, the better to monitor progress. Miranda had often found him haranguing the nominal project lead over some point of genetics while he was supposed to be dealing with stockholders. His assistant had had to drag him away from an attempt to increase telomerase production after Miranda had broken her arm. His office had reflected his priorities. Computers were everywhere, but the furniture was spare and built for function rather than luxury. There had been no personal effects for Miranda to clear out when she had decided to make this the base of operation for her and the surviving former Cerberus personnel.

The one concession to his position had been the spectacular view. Perth, Sydney, and Brisbane had been devastated by the Reapers, but the resort town of Coffs Harbour had largely been left alone. The sea was the clear blue of her childhood, and white sand dotted the beaches. No smoke wafted up from a thousand fires, as it had in London. One could walk the streets here without the certainty of being mugged, raped, or murdered. That was one of Miranda’s few accomplishments. The remnants of her strike team had become an impromptu police force, imposing a rough order on her childhood home. An order harshly enforced, but order nonetheless.

Brynn’s message awaited her.

We’ve begun work on tissue samples from those who were in an intermediate husk state but not yet fully converted at the time the Reapers left the system. Prognosis for reversing the process is grim. Most are effectively dead the moment they come in contact with Dragon’s Teeth. We could possibly do something with those who had been integrated, but there have been no reports of Cerberus troops in the area. Focusing on those indoctrinated, but not implanted, is our most productive course of action given our extremely limited resources. That makes the data you grabbed from Sanctuary much less useful, but with all the weird stuff going on, maybe that's a good thing.

Miranda buried her face in her hands. So much for that. She had been so sure—no, she had desperately wanted to believe—that the research she had gotten from Sanctuary would save lives. After all, without her, that would have been no Sanctuary. The astonishment in Henry's voice had been audible even in recordings. The pathetic daughter he had discarded had been useful after all. Miranda's research into a means to control Matt had provided the foundation for Sanctuary’s work. There would have been no Paul Grayson, no integration process, if not for Lazarus and her desire for a control chip.

It always came back to the control chip. When she was twenty years old, she had trained an unusually powerful biotic and aspiring artist named Matthias Shepard to use his power so that Cerberus could test the L3 implant. Fifteen years later, she has brought him back from the dead. But the chip and Sanctuary tainted everything she had done, just as the madness of the last year had tainted Cerberus. Any good she or they had done had turned to ash. Henry took the blame, but she was responsible. She was the one who had been too blind to see the Illusive Man or Cerberus for what they were until it was too late. She hadn’t even seen how much of her father there was in her: the brilliant genius infinitely more concerned with results than people. Matt had been her lover as well as her student all those years ago. That hadn’t mattered. Cerberus had needed Commander Shepard to work with them, and Miranda would deliver that by fair means or foul. Falling in love with him again, and he with her, had been a grace neither expected nor deserved.

Neither of them had ever called it love. It would have been presumption, a jinx. But Miranda had seen it in drawings and paintings, had felt it in the way he squeezed her hand before they made the final jump through the Omega-4 relay. He had wanted her, but it was more than that. He had looked at her as if he believed she really could improve humanity. He would help her build a new world and chronicle it. He had loved her not for her looks or anything Henry had given her, but for her passion. As she had loved him for his, the way he believed the entire world could be explained in color and line. And now she had lost him.

"Did you?” The voice was garbled, as if coming through water, with the synthesized tone of a Cerberus trooper.

[TomY90]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say Miranda DLC is unlikely because she always dies unless you import.

Actually, I don't think that part really matters, since the DLC could easily just flag her as loyal, or provide a mission that accomplishes this.

seeing how poorly Miranda was represented in ME3, i wouldnt hope for a DLC

thats saying Miranda did get represented better than most of the ME2 characters and certain ME1 characters at times.

but I agree I doubt there will be any missions really involving Miranda maybe except for a clip of her if the changes to the ending does occur

[enayasoul]

I think I'll go hang out in the Liara thread. At least, their more positive and demanding dlc for their love interest. You guys are such downers and never hopeful or wanting more. I demand more favoritism for our beloved Miranda!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

enayasoul wrote...
You guys are such downers and never hopeful or wanting more. I demand more favoritism for our beloved Miranda!

This. What the hell happen to you all? The talk of death, transformation, and torture. What the hell is this thread coming to?

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
You guys are such downers and never hopeful or wanting more. I demand more favoritism for our beloved Miranda!

This. What the hell happen to you all? The talk of death, transformation, and torture. What the hell is this thread coming to?

you're the emo one. This thread started to suck a long time ago, looks like nothing has changed.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

At least I don't talk about negative things like death, and least I do not have a sick imagination of Miri becoming a monster.

[enayasoul]

But here's a quick funny... I have my maleShep talking to Miranda in his black underwear in the third conversation. The looks Miranda gives him with her eyes looking downward makes it even more hilarious. I wish I could upload the pictures to bioware but seems they've disabled that option oh well. Maybe upload it to youtube instead. heh.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

At least I don't talk about negative things like death, and least I do not have a sick imagination of Miri becoming a monster.

Death is not always a negative, its a way of life.