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[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Even Hackett can't sway Alliance politics. Even with Shepard's word, the Alliance nor Hackett are actually aware of Miranda's status, whether she is totally removed from Cerberus activities or not. That is why they want to bring her in for an investigation, possibly a trial.

What Alliance politics? The Parliament is dead, the Nation leaders on Earth have been indocrinated and are shooting their own people. This is Martial Law.
Anderson, Hackett and Shepard were the leaders of the human race during the Reaper War. Anderson led the resistance on Earth, Hackett led the Fleet (as evidenced by how he was able to order all other admirals to retreat and abandon Earth early on) and Shepard gathers allies.
No one was thinking about trials at this time. Shepard didn't actually go through one, when the Human councilor was revealed to be a traitor, he was gunned down in the spot.
With all the assistance Miranda can offer, I doubt even the Alliance would be so inflexible as to refuse the help out of principle. And even if they wanted to, they have good reasons to make a few concessions to keep Shepard happy.

I didn't write that.

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

At this point, the thing that matters most about Miranda is that she wants to stop the Reapers. Hackett makes it clear he'll take all the help he can get, and the Alliance politicians who could overrule him are all dead at Arcturus. So she could easily come aboard or even join, but the writers aren't interested. They didn't seem very interested in her at all tbh.

I can agree with this.

[Skullheart]

Writers are chimps. I've been saying that from a while ago...

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

Writers are chimps. I've been saying that from a while ago...

No. Manatees with plastic balls (ala South Park).

[MisterJB]

o Ventus wrote...
I didn't write that.

No, I failed to quote properly.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

At this point, the thing that matters most about Miranda is that she wants to stop the Reapers. Hackett makes it clear he'll take all the help he can get, and the Alliance politicians who could overrule him are all dead at Arcturus. So she could easily come aboard or even join, but the writers aren't interested. They didn't seem very interested in her at all tbh.

What makes you say that?
Maybe they just ran out of time and said 'we won't do that'...I mean her mission itself seemed unfinished and so did the ending of the game, while the Cerberus base felt rounded out and complete (obviously having Miranda along would be great)

I don't know if I can say they weren't interested in her, considering the # of times you get to chat with her

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I don't know if I can say they weren't interested in her, considering the # of times you get to chat with her

You get 5 chats, 2 of which are exclusive to her survival. Romance adds 1 or 2 lines to each of those chats.

Not an awful lot of interaction.

[jtav]

The problem is that they really want Miranda to die, but don't want a forced death. So they provide minimal rewards for saving her.

Another problem is there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between how we saw her and how the writers likely see her. She wasn't meant to be Shep's equal, but to be emotionally and morally saved by him. Oriana is what's worth preserving about her. Cerberus must be utterly repudiated.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

What makes you say that?
Maybe they just ran out of time and said 'we won't do that'...I mean her mission itself seemed unfinished and so did the ending of the game, while the Cerberus base felt rounded out and complete (obviously having Miranda along would be great)

I don't know if I can say they weren't interested in her, considering the # of times you get to chat with her

Well, I don't really know either. It's clear that there was a crunch toward the end, but on the other hand, what's there is disappointing.

jtav wrote...
Another problem is there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between how we saw her and how the writers likely see her. She wasn't meant to be Shep's equal, but to be emotionally and morally saved by him. Oriana is what's worth preserving about her. Cerberus must be utterly repudiated.

That doesn't *really* chime with what's in the game either, though. I also don't think it's necessary to assume there's 100% agreement on the part of all the writers.

Modifié par flemm, 20 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[spirosz]

Does Miranda leave Cerberus regardless of taking her to the last part of the Collector Base?

[Skullheart]

Well, I understand why jtav said that the writers weren't interested in her. There is so much wasted potential about her, and they didn't even try to explore that possibilities. Her romance is incomplete and lacks content (the difference betwen a romanced an unromance Miranda are what? 5 lines?). They didn't touch the touchy subject from her SB dossier.

The only thing they really focused about her is her death.

[o Ventus]

spiros9110 wrote...

Does Miranda leave Cerberus regardless of taking her to the last part of the Collector Base?

Yes.

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, I understand why jtav said that the writers weren't interested in her. There is so much wasted potential about her, and they didn't even try to explore that possibilities. Her romance is incomplete and lacks content (the difference betwen a romanced an unromance Miranda are what? 5 lines?). They didn't touch the touchy subject from her SB dossier.

The only thing they really focused about her is her death.

I can also agree with this.

[spirosz]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, I understand why jtav said that the writers weren't interested in her. There is so much wasted potential about her, and they didn't even try to explore that possibilities. Her romance is incomplete and lacks content (the difference betwen a romanced an unromance Miranda are what? 5 lines?). They didn't touch the touchy subject from her SB dossier.

The only thing they really focused about her is her death.

It's like that for all the ME2 crew, except Legion and Mordin, who both get memorable roles.

[D.Shepard]

I have a question:

One of the requisite to keep Miranda alive is to warn her about Leng.
I read after you read the dossier on Leng from private terminal you have to meet her via video conference in the Spectre office.

I read the dossier and I went to the Spectre office but there is no option to start the video conference.

Do I have to complete some mission before?

Thanks.

[o Ventus]

D.Shepard wrote...

I have a question:

One of the requisite to keep Miranda alive is to warn her about Leng.
I read after you read the dossier on Leng from private terminal you have to meet her via video conference in the Spectre office.

I read the dossier and I went to the Spectre office but there is no option to start the video conference.

Do I have to complete some mission before?

Thanks.

Miranda e-mails you to meet her in the Spectre office (2nd email you get from her overall). It's the 1st terminal (the one on the left-most side). You warn her automatically.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[spirosz]

o Ventus wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Does Miranda leave Cerberus regardless of taking her to the last part of the Collector Base?

Yes.

They didn't even take that into consideration as well? Ah, Bioware, lol. Would be interesting seeing if she was still committed to Cerberus' "new ways to approach" the best for humanity. Imagine her as one of those indoctrinated agents... terrifying.

[jtav]

You'll get an email from Miranda when she's available.

[o Ventus]

spiros9110 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Does Miranda leave Cerberus regardless of taking her to the last part of the Collector Base?

Yes.

They didn't even take that into consideration as well? Ah, Bioware, lol. Would be interesting seeing if she was still committed to Cerberus' "new ways to approach" the best for humanity. Imagine her as one of those indoctrinated agents... terrifying.

Worse than fighting Kai Leng.

Especially if you romanced her.

[spirosz]

Were you guys expecting anything with her and Jack again? I was hoping there would be a situation with those two, especially after everything they've been through.

[TheMarshal]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, I understand why jtav said that the writers weren't interested in her. There is so much wasted potential about her, and they didn't even try to explore that possibilities. Her romance is incomplete and lacks content (the difference betwen a romanced an unromance Miranda are what? 5 lines?). They didn't touch the touchy subject from her SB dossier.

The only thing they really focused about her is her death.

Seriously...  I sometimes forget that jtav's Miranda isn't "canon", and that the majority of what Bioware has shown us has been her chewing her fingernails about Oriana.  She's got so much potential as a character, and like many of the other characters she was reduced to a single character trait.  I mean, I get that it's a video game, and it's a huge ensemble cast, but THAT'S your own damn fault, too!  You didn't need to introduce 9 new squaddies in ME2...

[o Ventus]

spiros9110 wrote...

Were you guys expecting anything with her and Jack again? I was hoping there would be a situation with those two, especially after everything they've been through.

I wasn't really expecting one, but I would have loved to hear Jack's taking of Miranda quitting Cerberus (and now gunning for them).

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[D.Shepard]

o Ventus wrote...

D.Shepard wrote...

I have a question:

One of the requisite to keep Miranda alive is to warn her about Leng.
I read after you read the dossier on Leng from private terminal you have to meet her via video conference in the Spectre office.

I read the dossier and I went to the Spectre office but there is no option to start the video conference.

Do I have to complete some mission before?

Thanks.

Miranda e-mails you to meet her in the Spectre office (2nd email you get from her overall). It's the 1st terminal (the one on the left-most side). You warn her automatically.

I just completed Citadel Priorirt 2. When should I get the email?

[Skullheart]

I really wanted to have Miranda and ÇJack in the same room. With the whole thing of Cerberus being the enemy of everyone. The banter betwen them will be priceless.

[Ieldra]

[quote]jtav wrote...
The problem is that they really want Miranda to die, but don't want a forced death. So they provide minimal rewards for saving her.[/quote]
That appears to be accurate.

Another problem is there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between how we saw her and how the writers likely see her. She wasn't meant to be Shep's equal, but to be emotionally and morally saved by him. Oriana is what's worth preserving about her. Cerberus must be utterly repudiated.[/quote]
This, however, may have been the original intent, but they compromised somewhat with Miranda's portrayal in ME3. It's a contradictory picture for sure, and I find it rather annoying that she wasn't allowed to show her competence onscreen and it's all implied, but if you consider the third conversation and parts of the first one, there's clearly some of Miranda as we see her.

I agree insofar that compared to the writing of the new characters and some of the team members, their heart didn't seem to be in it. The voice acting saves things somewhat, but the actual scenes are rather pedestrian in quality. And that they didn't have any better idea than to rehash her LM is weird.