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[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I loved Henry way more than I should. He's a twisted, warped version of Miranda.

He's utterly bland. Absolutely no defining features apart from the accent, which is the only thing that links him to Miranda apart from the giant sign that says "This is Mr. Lawson."

You might as well have replaced him with a Loki mech.

Now, I'm unsure if you're talking about his looks or his personality.
On the matter of the personality, it would have been hard create a very intricate character with so little screentime available. However, I tought that they remained faithfull to Miranda's description of him in ME2 (completely and uterlly self-centered) while introducing new aspects worth discussin. For example, I have speculated that he shows genuine care for Oriana twice.

As for his looks, I liked it. I always advocated the idea of Mr.Lawson being completely unremarkable physically, someone you wouldn't dignify with a second look if you passed him on the street. Coupled with his egomaniacal nature, I think this is a good explanation why he wanted a perfect daugther that no one could meet and be unnafected by.

Of course, I rather doubt that was Bioware's intention but I like to interpret it that way.

Td1984 wrote...

Fudge. I'm stuck fighting the Reaper on Rannoch. I can't stay out of the way of the laser and target it at the same time.

You don't need to. The targeting system builds up. So, if you build it up to 30% the first time, it won't go down and you'll only have to fill the remaining 70%.
So, don't try to dodge the laser and target at the same time. Target when the Reaper is loading the laser and then focus only on dodging. Just be patient and it will go down.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Melra]

I didn't actually know that it targets faster if you stand still, I thought I was being hardcore dodging that damn laser for 15 mins.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I died several times at first against the Reaper in Rannoch. There is sort of a pattern which I made when dodging the Reaper. At least the Targeting doesn't increase.

To be honest, it would have been more Interesting if Harbinger spoke directly to you. Instead of the Rannoch Reaper speaking to you directly, it would have been interesting to see the Reaper completely dead, then to see Harbinger talking to you through control of the Dead Reaper.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

The thing about Henry is that he's brilliant in his own right. Listen to the logs. He was to Sanctuary as Miranda was to Cerberus. Both have a desire to save humanity, though Miranda lacks the ego and the sociopathy. Henry is what Miranda would be if she had no compassion or nobility.

Still failed to deliver when we finally meet him. The logs reveal nothing of him that we didn't already infer prior to the game. We're given one chance to actually see it and it completely falls flat.

[flemm]

*snip*

Sorry, screwed up an edit.

Modifié par flemm, 21 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Now, I'm unsure if you're talking about his looks or his personality.
On the matter of the personality, it would have been hard create a very intricate character with so little screentime available. However, I tought that they remained faithfull to Miranda's description of him in ME2 (completely and uterlly self-centered) while introducing new aspects worth discussin. For example, I have speculated that he shows genuine care for Oriana twice.

As for his looks, I liked it. I always advocated the idea of Mr.Lawson being completely unremarkable physically, someone you wouldn't dignify with a second look if you passed him on the street. Coupled with his egomaniacal nature, I think this is a good explanation why he wanted a perfect daugther that no one could meet and be unnafected by.

Of course, I rather doubt that was Bioware's intention but I like to interpret it that way.

I didn't get self-centered from him at all. I got "Cerberus stooge 384". Archer was more interesting. And what parts struck you as caring for Oriana (you know out of the 100% of the time he was holding a gun to her head)?

His looks were completely underwhelming. There's inconspicous. And then there's "generic civilian model #5". I didn't expect him to physically look like a monster. But I expected monstrosity to come through in his face and manner. And where's the sophistication and refinement? Donovan Hock was more impressive and he was just a thug gun runner.

[Dr. Doctor]

With Mr. Lawson I went in expecting a repeat of Magister Denarius from DA2. He's really hyped up as this larger-than-life character in ME2, only to go out like a punk with no real character development when he actually shows up.

[MisterJB]

cg8900 wrote...

has anyone chosen the option "what were you thinking?" after sanctuary when you're talking to miranda, I was wondering if the outcome was any different than the "you did well (somethinglike that)" that everybody seems to choose... including me....

It's largely the same. Shepard chastises her for coming alone and her justification is that Oriana was in danger.
Then it goes to the dialogue where she is glad Henry is gone.

[cg8900]

so looks like we're getting a new ending after all....probably too much to ask, but I'd hope shep would meet his LI then it would be a perfect ending

Modifié par cg8900, 21 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[ThomGau]

I don't think it's too much to ask, it's just good sense in my opinion.
Anyway, I'm glad things have improved about the ending entanglement.

Modifié par ThomGau, 21 mars 2012 - 08:02 .

[jtav]

I hope it's just a fleshing out. I like Synthesis a lot.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

cg8900 wrote...

so looks like we're getting a new ending after all....probably too much to ask, but I'd hope shep would meet his LI then it would be a perfect ending

Really? Where was this said?

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I didn't get self-centered from him at all. I got "Cerberus stooge 384".

The most obvious one is "I will be seen as the saviour of the human race". He is not interested in actually saving humans, what he wants is the glory.

Then there is his response to Shepard's Intimidation "I never did anything to you." This shows that he can't understand the concept of someone selflessly doing anything just for the sake of someone else. This is in accordance with what Miranda said about him in her LM. He gave her presents but only if they helped further his own goals. It all about him.

And finally, how he is very willing to abandon his Legacy if that is what it takes to save his skin.

And what parts struck you as caring for Oriana (you know out of the 100% of the time he was holding a gun to her head)?

He never held a gun to Oriana's head. He used her as a human shield so Miranda couldn't kill him. That's not very caring but the gun was on Miranda the whole time.
The dialogues that struck me were "Miranda's poisonous influence". This reminds me of a father who thinks his daugther's new friend will be a bad influence on her and wants them apart.
And "Put the gun down and step aside. Oriana has already been through enough." I think this is self explanatory.

And where's the sophistication and refinement? Donovan Hock was more impressive and he was just a thug gun runner.

Sanctuary wasn't exactly a place of sophistication and refinement. Shepard caugth Henry Lawson out of his environment.
I'm not saying it was perfect but I think Henry Lawson is a stronger character than you are giving him credit for. Miranda says he is a businessman and he actually sligthly treated the negotiation with Shepard as any other business deal. "Have her but I want out alive. Deal?"

[flemm]

Well, JB, I think if you do some digging there are a few... somewhat interesting?... details. But it's pretty thin. Main problems are the brevity of his appearance and the lack of any interaction with Miranda.

I don't think they needed to make him more monstrous or evil by any means, but they could have made him much more formidable.

[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

so looks like we're getting a new ending after all....probably too much to ask, but I'd hope shep would meet his LI then it would be a perfect ending

Really? Where was this said?

I wouldn't put too much stock in this. We'll be getting some additional content to "clarify". Translation: your dumb asses can't understand what we're going for so we're going to explain it to you.

Check out the PR thread in Story and Campaign for how Bioware can potentially deflect and derail our demands.

[MisterJB]

I wished ME3 Henry had certain traits from Dr.Doctor's Mr.Lawson. The arrogance is there but he seems to be more in control of every single situation he is in, no matter how desperate.
It would fit with Miranda's control chip introspection.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
The most obvious one is "I will be seen as the saviour of the human race". He is not interested in actually saving humans, what he wants is the glory.

Then there is his response to Shepard's Intimidation "I never did anything to you." This shows that he can't understand the concept of someone selflessly doing anything just for the sake of someone else. This is in accordance with what Miranda said about him in her LM. He gave her presents but only if they helped further his own goals. It all about him.

And finally, how he is very willing to abandon his Legacy if that is what it takes to save his skin.

I'll give you the first one but "I never did anything to you" doesn't strike me as necessarily self-serving. It sounds like what any regular guy would say when someone he's never met is threatening him. The second again seems more like self-preservation (which is not necessarily analagous to self-centrism). Lawson knows Miranda won't harm Oriana. Maybe it's live to fight another day. He can keep hunting her later. That is, if he doesn't get gunned down now.

He never held a gun to Oriana's head. He used her as a human shield so Miranda couldn't kill him. That's not very caring but the gun was on Miranda the whole time.
The dialogues that struck me were "Miranda's poisonous influence". This reminds me of a father who thinks his daugther's new friend will be a bad influence on her and wants them apart.
And "Put the gun down and step aside. Oriana has already been through enough." I think this is self explanatory.

Difference is negligible. Interestingly, the "posionous influence" line was the one line he said that I liked. It showed what I wanted to see, ruthless fury. And it was less "corrupting my baby" and more "****ing with my plans"- which is exactly what I imagined. The second line could just be used to try and ellicit sympathy. I like to think he was mindscrewing with Miranda like that the whole time they were in there before Shepard came along.

Sanctuary wasn't exactly a place of sophistication and refinement. Shepard caugth Henry Lawson out of his environment.
I'm not saying it was perfect but I think Henry Lawson is a stronger character than you are giving him credit for. Miranda says he is a businessman and he actually sligthly treated the negotiation with Shepard as any other business deal. "Have her but I want out alive. Deal?"

Yeah I but expected the kind of man who would never be that thrown off, no matter what enviornment he was in. Someone with prestige, like we were talking about with Bill Nighy or Charles Dance. Bottom line is I expected a Magnificent Bastard and I ended up with a token villain. As for that last quote, again sounds like a regular guy. The Lawson I imagined would never make it a question. At least not like that.
I don't think your interpretations are necessarily wrong. But it just seems like it takes too much to make them stick.

[Skullheart]

It's still dissapoting that Miranda has more lines with Niket than with her father (just one line?)

[TomY90]

Skullheart wrote...

It's still dissapoting that Miranda has more lines with Niket than with her father (just one line?)

well considering her father had a gun to her sisters head (which is the one she holds dearest to her) I somehow doubt you would want to discuss every action he has done instead you just want him away from her sister and gone out of your life forever just to let you and your sister live how they want to.

[ThomGau]

I find it difficult to have a decent jugement on Henry.
Yes, he seems to be the megalomaniac man Miranda describes in ME2 but his character would have needed to be way more fleshed out than what we have.
A confrontation between Miranda and her father seemed crucial but oh well ...

Modifié par ThomGau, 21 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Ieldra]

cg8900 wrote...
has anyone chosen the option "what were you thinking?" after sanctuary when you're talking to miranda, I was wondering if the outcome was any different than the "you did well (somethinglike that)" that everybody seems to choose... including me....

I haven't no. I think Shepard should acknowledge that she's done something impressive instead of berating her for taking risks. That way there's at least an implied acknowledgement of Miranda's competence which would otherwise be completely drowned unter the scene where we meet her wounded.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

so looks like we're getting a new ending after all....probably too much to ask, but I'd hope shep would meet his LI then it would be a perfect ending

Really? Where was this said?

I wouldn't put too much stock in this. We'll be getting some additional content to "clarify". Translation: your dumb asses can't understand what we're going for so we're going to explain it to you.

Check out the PR thread in Story and Campaign for how Bioware can potentially deflect and derail our demands.

A lot of spin in it, yes, but I think it's telling that he speaks of the "current endings", implying they're not the last word.

[Td1984]

Finally tried taking out that Reaper again and succeeded. I'm definitely not looking forward to doing it 3 more times.

[cyborg2501]

Slightly off-topic, but I'm curious. I'm sure most of you aren't keen on playing the multiplayer. What if you were able to play multiplayer as Miranda, or a limited number of other NPC's (like Jack, Anderson, etc.)? Would that be appealing at all? The fun would probably be short-lived for me, but it would be cool to play AS her with her unique skills/powers. Maybe after hitting level 20 something special happens...

Modifié par cyborg2501, 21 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Skullheart]

@cyborg

It will be distracting. I mean, using her while admiring her assets...