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[cyborg2501]

Skullheart wrote...

@cyborg

It will be distracting. I mean, using her while admiring her assets...

lol. I do recall seeing a thread posted earlier, requesting an animated gif of the "quarian bum jiggle" when they jump sideways.

p.s is it just me, or did Miranda lose weight in ME3??

[TomY90]

cyborg2501 wrote...

Slightly off-topic, but I'm curious. I'm sure most of you aren't keen on playing the multiplayer. What if you were able to play multiplayer as Miranda, or a limited number of other NPC's (like Jack, Anderson, etc.)? Would that be appealing at all? The fun would probably be short-lived for me, but it would be cool to play AS her with her unique skills/powers. Maybe after hitting level 20 something special happens...

it would be extremely short lived it might be cool for like one game but would quickly fade away.

Would be nice if something interesting happened if bioware did that but I highly doubt it.

[jtav]

She is thinner. I thought it was appropriate.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
"I never did anything to you" doesn't strike me as necessarily self-serving. It sounds like what any regular guy would say when someone he's never met is threatening him.

But Henry is not just some regular guy going about his daily business. He is the man who performed all of the attrocities in Sanctuary and is now using a young woman as a human shield while pointing a gun at another.
And, despite all of this, he still can't understand why Shepard would stand against him since he never did anything against him personally.
I think that this shows that Henry Lawson can only understand the concept of "Me".

The second again seems more like self-preservation (which is not necessarily analagous to self-centrism). Lawson knows Miranda won't harm Oriana. Maybe it's live to fight another day. He can keep hunting her later. That is, if he doesn't get gunned down now.

But, previously, he had claimed that Miranda's influence was poisonous, even if she won't harm her physically. Therefore, this is a father willing to give her daugther to people he believes are a bad influence if that means he won't be harmed. He is placing his needs above that of his daugther.
It's likely he would have returned for her eventually but if your sense of self-preservation overpowers your need to protect your offspring, then it becomes self-centrism.

Difference is negligible.

Maybe so but it shows that he never placed Oriana in danger because he knew Miranda wouldn't hurt her.

Interestingly, the "posionous influence" line was the one line he said that I liked. It showed what I wanted to see, ruthless fury. And it was less "corrupting my baby" and more "****ing with my plans"- which is exactly what I imagined.

I don't disagree with this. It's another proof of how self-centered he is.
Ultimately, it all boils down to himself but, like with any good character, I believe there is another way to look at it.
Henry Lawson seemed to have a certain demented affection for Oriana. Nothing he wouldn't set aside when he was in danger but it was there.

The second line could just be used to try and ellicit sympathy. I like to think he was mindscrewing with Miranda like that the whole time they were in there before Shepard came along.

That is something Kai Leng would have done. Henry always seemded very practical, much like Miranda is herself, he gains nothing by torturing Miranda.
He could say that just to manipulate them but since we can find other moments in his dialogue and actions where he shows concern (as little as it might have been) for Oriana, I'm inclined to believe it was genuine.
Again, nothing he wasn't willing to throw away just to save himself.

It could be that any care for Oriana is no different than the care an artist has for his work which would again prove just how self-centered he is but this is now just speculation on my part.

Yeah I but expected the kind of man who would never be that thrown off, no matter what enviornment he was in. Someone with prestige, like we were talking about with Bill Nighy or Charles Dance.

We agree on this.

Bottom line is I expected a Magnificent Bastard and I ended up with a token villain.

Much like with the great majority of Miranda's content in ME3, I had expected Mr.Lawson to be more that what we got. However, I also don't believe he is as bland as you think.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Skullheart]

being on the run for the last 6 months might affect her figure...

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Well, Miri did seem as if she has been on the run for Six Months. She looked Tired/Restless:(. At Least she was Able to Rest for a bit on the Citadel, IF you KNOW What I Mean:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[ThomGau]

jtav wrote...

She is thinner. I thought it was appropriate.

Yep, still gorgeous though.

[Skullheart]

@101

Shepard had to use his imagination for the last 6 months. You really think he would let her rest in the apartment?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Skullheart wrote...

@101

Shepard had to use his imagination for the last 6 months. You really think he would let her rest in the apartment?

I'm talking about "Cuddling" Afterwards, If you know what I mean.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
But Henry is not just some regular guy going about his daily business. He is the man who performed all of the attrocities in Sanctuary and is now using a young woman as a human shield while pointing a gun at another.
And, despite all of this, he still can't understand why Shepard would stand against him since he never did anything against him personally.
I think that this shows that Henry Lawson can only understand the concept of "Me".

No the point was that you don't need to be an egotistical monster to say something like "I never did anything to you" when threatened by a stranger. A regular guy can say that without being what Lawson's supposed to be.

But, previously, he had claimed that Miranda's influence was poisonous, even if she won't harm her physically. Therefore, this is a father willing to give her daugther to people he believes are a bad influence if that means he won't be harmed. He is placing his needs above that of his daugther.
It's likely he would have returned for her eventually but if your sense of self-preservation overpowers your need to protect your offspring, then it becomes self-centrism.

The man has just discovered how to control husks. Surely he can undo the "poisonous influence" on his own "daughter" (provided he's still alive). I doubt he considers this a serious threat to her.

Maybe so but it shows that he never placed Oriana in danger because he knew Miranda wouldn't hurt her.

Not so with Shepard.

That is something Kai Leng would have done. Henry always seemded very practical, much like Miranda is herself, he gains nothing by torturing Miranda.

I'm seeing this as more vindictive. She dared defy him for so long but now he still wins. I pictured him constantly belittling her, even before she ran away. Because it's personal I imagine he'd lash out at her pyschologically every chance he got.


I think it just boils down to what we wanted to see. I wanted more of a villain, whereas you see him as slightly more human. It figures you'd be a bit more ok with the regular guy we got than I would.

[cookielord]

Quick question: was Henry Lawson indoctrinated?

[MisterJB]

CC: I certainly wouldn't call Henry Lawson a regular guy. He is an absolute monster with no redeemable features. I simply find him to be interesting in his egocentric ways.

I stand by the points I made previously.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Once Shepard and Miranda have reached TIM’s inner Sanctum and Kai Leng is dead, it’s the culmination of Miranda’s arc. Depending on Shepard’s actions so far, Miranda can become a benevolent TIW, she can be convinced to destroy Cerberus entirely, she can become more of an extremist than TIM himself or she can be killed to allow Shepard to destroy Cerberus forever.

To come back to this for a second, I'm not sure the bolded one really fits with everything else. I mean, going all the way back to the beginning of ME2, I could see that as an eventuality for the character, but not so much now. And I'm fine with that.

I much prefer the idea of Miranda incarnating the ideal of human advancement/progress, as distinct from human domination.

Modifié par flemm, 21 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[MisterJB]

So, I just rejected Miranda in the first conversation just to see what would happen.




The results were less than satisfactory.

Still, congratulations to the animation team. The transiction of her facial expression from hopefull to heartbroken was perfect. Yvonne also helped deliver it with her voice.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Skullheart]

You can see the frame when her heart is broken...

They only made good scenes when you dump her and when she dies. The rest is just, meh.

[flemm]

They do seem to have focused on those scenes quite a bit.

I'm thrilled, obviously ;-)

cookielord wrote...

Quick question: was Henry Lawson indoctrinated?

No, I don't think there's any suggestion that this is the case. His motivations match up with what we'd expect from a non-indoctrinted Henry, and he basically figured out how to control the Reapers (not something the Reapers wanted).

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[Skullheart]

Wait... TIM was indoctrinated, and the reapers controlled him so he can discover a way to control them?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I Love this Scene:wub:. I Love this Shot:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

Wait... TIM was indoctrinated, and the reapers controlled him so he can discover a way to control them?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

Errr... yeah, I'll have to get back to you on that

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Miranda's ME3 Dialogue: Oriana, Oriana, Oriana oh yeah I forgot Oriana.

[MisterJB]

Skullheart wrote...

Wait... TIM was indoctrinated, and the reapers controlled him so he can discover a way to control them?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

The Reapers knew that TIM could never control them because he was already indocrinated. Since in his delusion he was activelly trying to stop the other races from destroying the Reapers, they just let him do what he pleased.
When he actually tried to do something that would be dangerous to the Reapers, opening the Citadel's arms for the Crucible to dock, they didn't let him.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[Roxpanda1690]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Miranda's ME3 Dialogue: Oriana, Oriana, Oriana oh yeah I forgot Oriana.

You forgot Ori as well:D

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@RoxPanda
Yes lol

[Td1984]

I just finished Sanctuary. I was worried the whole time that I messed something up and got Miranda killed. I was really relieved when I got to the end and saw she was still alive. Took the Intimidate option with Henry. Mess with Thomas Shepard's family and you make him angry (though I do feel Miranda is too obsessed with Ori, but c'est la vie).

[Roxpanda1690]

Meh... Miranda may seem to Oriana oriented, but what can you do what's done is done... Though I did enjoy her in the sanctuary mission