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[jtav]

What can you do? Rewrite her, stick your fingers in your ears and overlay the missing character bits. If ME3 were all I knew, I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested. I refuse to let this pale imitation be the last word.

Modifié par jtav, 22 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@jtav
That's why I ended the romance I didn't find her interesting in ME3 but I will always love ME2 Miranda

[jtav]

Matt and Miranda go together like peanut butter and jelly. I just quietly add back the interesting bits while keeping the romance development.

[enayasoul]

redBadger14 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Read Brave New World or Shadow War and tell me I have a problem with a loving, emotional Miranda. The problem is that that isn't the whole story. She's also brilliant, devoted to human advancement, and a little shady. Where's that aspect?

She was devoted to human advancement when she was with Cerberus. The revelation of what Cerberus's true intentions were put that side of her into question, and I think we see that in her character in ME3. She is not confident she did the right thing when she was with Cerberus, but she tries to right her wrongs by doing what she can to cripple Cerberus. I think that represents her trying to redeem herself and truly advance humanity by putting a stop to Cerberus's assassination of what makes humans "human." Cerberus wants to change humanity for the worse. Miranda is trying to preserve what humanity really is. She does not want humanity to become genetically altered or manufactured, she wants to keep humanity pure. That is what I love about her in ME3.

The shady side of her never went away. We see this constantly with her in ME3. She makes herself scarce. She especially shows her shady side when she asks for Shepard's resources but refuses to tell him why, no matter if you romance her or not. Also, the raids on Cerberus bases in the Shadow Broker terminal mail. She manages to do that while eluding the Alliance (even though the Alliance addresses her activities).

Brilliance, again this never disappeared from Miranda's character. Her brillance is shown throughout ME3. We probably don't see it as much as we should because Miranda makes herself scarce. But she manages to discover the truth of the Sanctuary facility and her father's involvement with Cerberus, she can save Oriana *and* kill her father once and for all, and she also manages to place a tracer on Kai Leng so Shepard can finally finish the fight against Cerberus. If that is not a display of brilliance, I don't know what is.

You're right!  You're soooo right with stated everything above.  You've clearly expressed what I agree with as oppose to other comments posted on previous pages back...   THANK YOU!  I don't care what anyone else says, I absolutely LOVED Miranda in ME3. 

[Dr. Doctor]

Skullheart wrote...

Wait... TIM was indoctrinated, and the reapers controlled him so he can discover a way to control them?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

A race of machines designed to kill organics to stop them from building machines that will kill organics controls a man who wants to find a way to control them. Paradoxes within paradoxes.

MisterJB wrote...

So, I just rejected Miranda in the first conversation just to see what would happen.
The results were less than satisfactory.

Still,
congratulations to the animation team. The transiction of her facial
expression from hopefull to heartbroken was perfect. Yvonne also helped
deliver it with her voice.

I tried it too. Sad Shepard is sad.

[cg8900]

so I ended up chosing the synthesis end.....now I have to go back and make shep breath....I didn't know that once I started walking there was no coming back....bummer

[CuseGirl]

::sigh:: so I guess I got the perfect ending? And after the meta-gaming to end all meta-gaming, only resource I missed were the Cerberus ciphers. So the best we could get is one gasp?

Also, was it mentioned what planet or solar system Miranda was in the last time you speak to her on the vid comm? If not, I can convince myself she is on Earth and my lifeless body is on Earth and we'll meet again.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I chose destroy

[Vertigo_1]

CuseGirl wrote...
Also, was it mentioned what planet or solar system Miranda was in the last time you speak to her on the vid comm? If not, I can convince myself she is on Earth and my lifeless body is on Earth and we'll meet again.

She's on (or in orbit above) Earth helping the Alliance in some way.

cg8900 wrote...

so I ended up chosing the synthesis end.....now I have to go back and make shep breath....I didn't know that once I started walking there was no coming back....bummer

Yeah that only happens in the Destroy ending, sadly.

Dr. Doctor wrote...

^^This is the only thing that came to mind when I saw this pic

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[CuseGirl]

She was orbiting Earth? YES! We will meet again.....oh Miranda Lawson....

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
::sigh:: so I guess I got the perfect ending? And after the meta-gaming to end all meta-gaming, only resource I missed were the Cerberus ciphers. So the best we could get is one gasp?

Did you get 8000 TMS? Or did you have to play MP?

Also, was it mentioned what planet or solar system Miranda was in the last time you speak to her on the vid comm? If not, I can convince myself she is on Earth and my lifeless body is on Earth and we'll meet again.

It is not mentioned. But Shepards says "Glad you could make it" so it's plausible she's part of the battle one way or the other. After that e-mail on Liara's terminal I like to think she's part of the fleet. Also she's a war asset. You don't need to convince yourself. She is in the Sol system.

[CuseGirl]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
::sigh:: so I guess I got the perfect ending? And after the meta-gaming to end all meta-gaming, only resource I missed were the Cerberus ciphers. So the best we could get is one gasp?

Did you get 8000 TMS? Or did you have to play MP?

Also, was it mentioned what planet or solar system Miranda was in the last time you speak to her on the vid comm? If not, I can convince myself she is on Earth and my lifeless body is on Earth and we'll meet again.

It is not mentioned. But Shepards says "Glad you could make it" so it's plausible she's part of the battle one way or the other. After that e-mail on Liara's terminal I like to think she's part of the fleet. Also she's a war asset. You don't need to convince yourself. She is in the Sol system.

8000? No, my EMS was 6599 (99% galactic readiness from the iPod apps mostly). I got the breathing scene, Liara, Joker and James stepped out of the ship......I really don't understand what happened lollll...

Yea, I guess if she's an asset, she was somewhere in Sol....I really had it in my mind that somehow after the war, I'd get the Russell Crowe scene from the end of Gladiator lolllll....where he's walking thru a grain field and his wife is there or like when Keira Knightley waits for the green flash at the end of the Pirates movies lolllll....yes, I'm a romantic but dangit, I earned it....all those obelisks and artifacts I collected?

Modifié par CuseGirl, 22 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
8000? No, my EMS was 6599 (99% galactic readiness from the iPod apps mostly). I got the breathing scene, Liara, Joker and James stepped out of the ship......I really don't understand what happened lollll...

If you're talking about the numbers: if you have 6599 EMS at 99% Readiness you have a total TMS of 6666. I don't know why people still get EMS and TMS mixed up. I asked because Bioware promised you could get all endings with SP only, for which you'd need 8000 TMS (meaning 4000 EMS, assuming the standard 50% readiness you get with SP only and no external apps). If you had 8000  TMS ending at 50% readiness that would've been true - and you'd have been the first one to manage that as far as I know.

[CuseGirl]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
8000? No, my EMS was 6599 (99% galactic readiness from the iPod apps mostly). I got the breathing scene, Liara, Joker and James stepped out of the ship......I really don't understand what happened lollll...

If you're talking about the numbers: if you have 6599 EMS at 99% Readiness you have a total TMS of 6666. I don't know why people still get EMS and TMS mixed up. I asked because Bioware promised you could get all endings with SP only, for which you'd need 8000 TMS (meaning 4000 EMS, assuming the standard 50% readiness you get with SP only and no external apps). If you had 8000  TMS ending at 50% readiness that would've been true - and you'd have been the first one to manage that as far as I know.

I do have a TMS of 6666 actually. But my EMS is 6599. I'm looking at it right now. I don't know how anyone can get the breath scene without multiplayer/Infiltrator/Datapad. That seems impossible to me

[Demon King Oda]

I'm building a new character to run through ME1 all the way through 3 to do things differently. Trying to plan my romance choices ahead of time. I have an important question I hope someone can answer for me regarding that. I've tried looking this up with search engines and gotten no clearly defined answer. Does Miranda count for the Paramour achievement in ME3?

[Caihn]

Demon King Oda wrote...
Does Miranda count for the Paramour achievement in ME3?

Yes.

[Arijharn]

I haven't been following this thread since the spoiler debacle all those months weeks ago but here's my thoughts of Miranda in ME3.

It didn't seem right. The interactions with each other if they were in a past relationship etc. The part where she says she was a bit unsure of herself after she mentions that she wasn't used to becoming attached to someone was quite nice, but when they were leaving that meeting I really wanted at least a renegade prompt where as Miranda walks past your shep and says no promises you whip out your hand to grip her wrist and pull her into a passionate embrace. These people are apparently lovers that haven't seen each other for several months (6-9?) and Miranda literally just admitted to you that even considering the risks she considered breaking in for the chance to meet.

I didn't mind the gratuitous ass shots that accompanied the Miranda scenes all the time, personally I thought it was sort of a quiet running joke between Bioware and their fans now. I should imagine my shep is checking out her ass as much as possible as well.

What I didn't like about the Miranda romance is that she didn't warn me beforehand about Sanctuary. I mean, she had to have had suspicions at least to warrant going there in the first place. She said she'd let me know if she'd need someone to kick down doors etc.

I didn't think the farewell speech before you make your final push towards the mini-conduit offered much closure or whatever. It was warm in the sense that she's attached to you, but she's pragmatic enough that she realizes that it might be the end, but honestly I thought she'd say she loved me. Even if it was just a whisper or something. I'd like to see something of her famous stoicism to crack at least.

Conversely, I do really like the fact that she wasn't a damsel in distress that needed Shephard for most of her storyline. She was in charge, she was capable of finding Oriana and her father (Seriously, who the hell is 'Henry Lawson', how was he the 'richest man in the galaxy'? I would have liked some sort of backstory for example. Him being named Lawson was a bit of a deal breaker though. Miranda's supposed to be a bad ass spy and yet it wasn't some sort of Cover name?!

Anyway, just thought I'd put in my 5cents worth.

[Demon King Oda]

Yannkee wrote...

Demon King Oda wrote...
Does Miranda count for the Paramour achievement in ME3?

Yes.

Thanks much! Glad to hear it.

[Ieldra]

@Arijharn:
I mostly agree. The offscreen story arc is fine, but the scenes, while nice, were all rather tame in more than one sense, even the first one for the reason you mention. It seems like a story outline where most details got perfunctory attention. Or as if the same resources were spent for all ME2-exclusive team members, so that those with a short presence like Jack or Grunt got those resources concentrated while Miranda's got diluted.

Diluted, yes I think that's the best term to describe it. It's still Miranda, but she got diluted. Even in the romance content, which I find rather nice and some even preferable to their ME2 equivalent, her presence, or rather, the way she fills a room with her presence, is low-key compared to ME2.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[ThomGau]

So goddamn true Ieldra : diluted. You put a word on my thoughts.

It's still Miranda and I love when she is around but something feels really off compared with ME2. Moreover there is definitely not enough of Miranda imo, everytime I see her it feels like stealing a few moments. Maybe that's the point but still it doesn't make up for so little screentime and overall influence.

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

So goddamn true Ieldra : diluted. You put a word on my thoughts.

Agreed as well. It's an obviously watered-down version of the character, indefensibly so, really. And I doubt even the people who wrote/implemented it would bother denying it.

[flemm]

redBadger14 wrote...
Cerberus wants to change humanity for the worse. Miranda is trying to preserve what humanity really is. She does not want humanity to become genetically altered or manufactured, she wants to keep humanity pure. That is what I love about her in ME3.

I didn't see this before, but what does this mean?

I'm not sure what you are referring to in the game. Sanctuary? It's a death camp where people are being tortured and transformed into husks, etc. Opposing that doesn't imply that she wants humanity to be "pure."

If anything, her main concern seems to be Oriana, who *is* genetically altered.

She wants to separate Oriana from her father's domineering influence, i.e. separate the creation (essentially good) from the creator (evil because of his intentions). Or at least, that's what it might/should mean.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[CrutchCricket]

Arijharn wrote...

I haven't been following this thread since the spoiler debacle all those months weeks ago but here's my thoughts of Miranda in ME3.

It didn't seem right. The interactions with each other if they were in a past relationship etc. The part where she says she was a bit unsure of herself after she mentions that she wasn't used to becoming attached to someone was quite nice, but when they were leaving that meeting I really wanted at least a renegade prompt where as Miranda walks past your shep and says no promises you whip out your hand to grip her wrist and pull her into a passionate embrace. These people are apparently lovers that haven't seen each other for several months (6-9?) and Miranda literally just admitted to you that even considering the risks she considered breaking in for the chance to meet.

I didn't mind the gratuitous ass shots that accompanied the Miranda scenes all the time, personally I thought it was sort of a quiet running joke between Bioware and their fans now. I should imagine my shep is checking out her ass as much as possible as well.

What I didn't like about the Miranda romance is that she didn't warn me beforehand about Sanctuary. I mean, she had to have had suspicions at least to warrant going there in the first place. She said she'd let me know if she'd need someone to kick down doors etc.

I didn't think the farewell speech before you make your final push towards the mini-conduit offered much closure or whatever. It was warm in the sense that she's attached to you, but she's pragmatic enough that she realizes that it might be the end, but honestly I thought she'd say she loved me. Even if it was just a whisper or something. I'd like to see something of her famous stoicism to crack at least.

Conversely, I do really like the fact that she wasn't a damsel in distress that needed Shephard for most of her storyline. She was in charge, she was capable of finding Oriana and her father (Seriously, who the hell is 'Henry Lawson', how was he the 'richest man in the galaxy'? I would have liked some sort of backstory for example. Him being named Lawson was a bit of a deal breaker though. Miranda's supposed to be a bad ass spy and yet it wasn't some sort of Cover name?!

Anyway, just thought I'd put in my 5cents worth.

Good points.

Come to think of it nearly every scene with her that wasn't specifically the romance scene felt like a past relationship. Can't remember who asks on Sanctuary if we were close and Shep's reply is "we were close". The past tense was irritating. And of course Sanctuary finally put Ashley and Miranda in the same room (if you took Ashley as a squadmate) and...nothing. Obviously a full on fight would've been inappropriate but at least some quips... something. Also did anyone else feel like she was trying to dump him in that last convo before the push? Can't remember the exact phrasing but it was either something like "it's over" or "this isn't going to work". Shep deflects it (though not as adamantly as I would've liked) and it ends alright... but still.

Of course then we get RGB'd so who really cares?

About the name: I'm pretty sure this was talked to death even before the spoilers hit but the cover name thing isn't that serious a concern as Miranda probably used other names on covert ops before ME2. There wasn't any point of doing so within Cerberus itself since Lawson already knew she was with them and they were in isolated cells.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

So goddamn true Ieldra : diluted. You put a word on my thoughts.

Agreed as well. It's an obviously watered-down version of the character, indefensibly so, really. And I doubt even the people who wrote/implemented it would bother denying it.

Yep this

[Ieldra]

redBadger14 wrote...
Cerberus wants to change humanity for the worse. Miranda is trying to preserve what humanity really is. She does not want humanity to become genetically altered or manufactured, she wants to keep humanity pure. That is what I love about her in ME3.

There is not a shred of evidence to support this assumption. In fact she says "Cerberus fully endorses anything that advances the cause of humanity... genetic alterations included." in ME2, and there is not the least hint of disapproval in her voice. There is no indication that this has changed.

In fact, I don't think Miranda believes in notions of purity at all. And it is a false assumption there is a "true humanity" at all. Biology would suggest otherwise. Species are malleable. Humanity may change through selection pressure or by deliberate engineering, but neither is more "true" than the other.

What Miranda shows in Sanctuary is that she doesn't want humans to be mutated into husks. Because that's what they're doing at Sanctuary. She's not willing to follow Cerberus down this path, and of course we expected nothing else because she's not a villain.

She wants to separate Oriana from her father's domineering influence, i.e. separate the creation (essentially good) from the creator (evil because of his intentions). Or at least, that's what it might/should mean.

Indeed. It's her father's control she wants them both to escape. That's it. She always goes on about how he's very controlling etc... in ME2 and ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 mars 2012 - 01:36 .