Modifié par Skullheart, 22 mars 2012 - 04:44 .
Its no problem! And I totally agree with you. While I personally don't have a problem with analyzing Miranda's motivations in the game to find those traits, I think BioWare should have made her traits more distinct in the game, rather than leave it to mostly player analyzation. How they handled Jack, Mordin, and some others was fantastic and I would have liked to see more of that with Miranda.flemm wrote...
redBadger14 wrote...
To Flemm as well...
I amended my statement somewhere back when CrutchCricket brought up the same point. Miranda wants to advance humanity through safe means, and she does not want to take the Cerberus path of human advancement through human domination.
Agreed, my bad for missing your follow-up post.
On that subject, though, I don't think the distinction is made clearly enough in the game. That doesn't mean that I can't go on interpreting the character's mindset in that way, but at some point she needs to speak about her goals, and talk about what she thinks about her previous dedication to Cerberus.
That is the basic problem. She was dedicated to Cerberus, and had been for years. She explains why in ME2, and it makes sense. She justifies it without coming across as a cruel or inhumane individual (because she isn't), though she is capable of ruthlessness when needed.
So, now things have changed. She's left the organisation. Even the simple question of why she left is never really addressed.
There's real character development to be accomplished there, but none of it is actually realized, because the writing avoids the issue.
It's a terrorist organisation, or most people believe that it is, and she was one of its leaders. It's not like quitting a job at some random corporation. You can't just wash your hands of it like nothing happened.
MEFan, I agree that this thread can sometimes get way too depressed over minor things (yourself included and even in your post here), but this in no way means that the thread should be kept at a "sunshine and rainbows" attitude. This is the Miranda Discussion Thread. This means that any and all discussion about Miranda is welcome and encouraged. Why? Because there are many, many aspects to Miranda's character to discuss. Everything from how Miranda can be warned about Kai Leng to Miranda's death can and will be discussed; you should very well know this.MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I'm so sick of all of you talking about Miri's death so much, as if you all THRIVE it for some damn reason. This is sick. You all are so negative and depressing. The Miranda Thread is NOT supposed to be revolving around Miri's death. And most of forever believe that you are the "Hierarchy" of the Thread, looking down towards other who don't think like you do. You know what? I don't blame those other people who think differently, I don't blame them leaving the thread. Most of you have sick minds now think negative things about Miri as if it has become a fetish to most of you. This is sick, disgusting whatever. I didn't come here for constant acknowledgement for Miri's death because MOST of you aren't grateful of having Miri in ME3 in the first place. I have NO problem with the way she was in ME3. I'm so sick of the whinning of how much it all doesn't meet your standards. I came here to Support my LI, not to see people ranting about her death, and breaking up with her.
What has this thread become? I loved Every Moment with Miri in ME3 (THANK GOD SHE SUVIVED!). You have a problem with that? I'm VERY Happy that I do NOT think like most of you do.
Good day. I shall look for a Miri Group where people haven't lost their ways.
Modifié par redBadger14, 22 mars 2012 - 04:59 .
Give me a second to take my blown mind off the floor and connect it back to my craniumCrutchCricket wrote...
Yeah just had to raise an eyebrow at that but I didn't feel like replying. I second you yet again redBadger. Though I will also point out the irony in judging people on here for judging you when you yourself are judging us, thereby prompting some of us to judge you...
Sound familiar?
Modifié par redBadger14, 22 mars 2012 - 05:10 .
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I Love this Scene:wub:. I Love this Shot:wub:.
See now, this would have been a beautiful scene. We don't need to actually see Shepard speaking about Miranda, especially considering the amount of interpretations we can come up for her character (it would always end up pissing someone off). Just have Shepard sit with Oriana, say a few words, throw in a few tears if she was his romance and then fade to black.jtav wrote...
Oriana's letter:My Sister Miranda
From: Oriana Lawson
Commander Shepard,
I understand you worked a lot with my sister Miranda. I never got a chance to meet her, and often wonder when she was like. Maybe one day you’d be willing to sit down and tell me about her.
Oriana Lawson
evan365 wrote...
anyone notice that miranda knew where TIM's base was but never told shepard. she wasin his office at the start of me2. wtf? she was LI and everything. i'll put it down to an oversight. On my ng+ playthrough i broke up with her and she started crying, made me feel like crap, oh well.
jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
A little to late in the story... Ashley made her choice and so didn't my MaleShep. He'll be forever with Miranda. 
Modifié par enayasoul, 22 mars 2012 - 06:21 .
enayasoul wrote...
jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
I always took it as Ashley dumped my MaleShep on Horizon and with those word "Traitor" really do sting. He'd just woken up after two years, I'm pretty sure his feelings for Ashley were still there but then she crushes him by her words. Yep. She lost him.
At the hospital, Ashley does say, "I'm a big girl." Yeah, Ashley will get over it eventually. A little to late in the story... Ashley made her choice and so didn't my MaleShep. He'll be forever with Miranda.
It just proves Miranda was IN LOVE with Shepard before he broke her. That Bastard!
That was a heartbreaking scene. And Shepard was standing there... stupid idiot!
evan365 wrote...
anyone notice that miranda knew where TIM's base was but never told shepard. she wasin his office at the start of me2. wtf? she was LI and everything. i'll put it down to an oversight. On my ng+ playthrough i broke up with her and she started crying, made me feel like crap, oh well.
No she shouldn't necessarily die. But I think Shepard is far less justified in going to someone else in ME3. No death technicality this time, less time has passed and Miranda isn't actively pushing him away. All that makes a difference.jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
MisterJB wrote...
It's not an oversight. In "Retribution" it is stated that TIM changes the location of Cronos everytime a Cerberus agent was on board to avoid situations like what you are suggesting.
Skullheart wrote...
evan365 wrote...
anyone notice that miranda knew where TIM's base was but never told shepard. she wasin his office at the start of me2. wtf? she was LI and everything. i'll put it down to an oversight. On my ng+ playthrough i broke up with her and she started crying, made me feel like crap, oh well.
TIM relocates his base after meeting with some of his operatives. The time Miranda was with TIM in his baste isn't in the same location where TIM base is in ME3.
Modifié par o Ventus, 22 mars 2012 - 06:29 .
CrutchCricket wrote...
No she shouldn't necessarily die. But I think Shepard is far less justified in going to someone else in ME3. No death technicality this time, less time has passed and Miranda isn't actively pushing him away. All that makes a difference.jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
Ash doesn't die if you break up with her. Just Miranda. Bastards.jtav wrote...
The breakup=death is malicious. How many of you originally romanced Ash? She shouldn't die because you found someone you like more. Neither should Miranda.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 mars 2012 - 06:43 .
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
How many Brutes/Banshees/Harvesters/Marauders do you think Miri killed on Earth. Do you think think she had a Squad, IF she was on Earth and not in the Fleet?
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