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[o Ventus]

Mr Plow wrote...

I rememeber back when the SB dossier came out and all that whirlwind over her infertility/pregnancy etc and folks worried about her being cured by Shepard's Super Sperm

I think I would have preferred Shepard's Super Sperm to what we got (er...for Miranda that is...not me )

So Miranda is left on a devastated Earth away from the 2 people she loves

As we English say....bugger

Am I really the only person who picks the destroy ending with 5000+ EMS?

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
On here? Really? As if Bioware actually reads these things. They only come in to character and romance when there's moderating to be done. I'm sure there were more efficient ways of going about that. Again not that any of it mattered...

Actually, it's extremely likely that, had the complaining not occurred around the time of the leak, the romance scene would still be the interrupted version and the email would not be there at all.

The mail follows too closely many of the things we've discussed in this thread to be an accident, especially given that it doesn't fit with everything else that's in the game.

The romance scene was one of the few things (and only substantial Miranda-related one) in the leak that is different in the game, meaning it was a last-minute change. So, that's also likely, as it was another major complaint.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[CrutchCricket]

I don't know where people keep getting these "stranded" theories. You do realize every Mass Relay exploded right? As in Arrival x a million? Everyone's dead. You just got to pick the last color they saw before the mass extinction effect.

Heh. Mass Extinction. I can't be the first one who thought that up^_^

[Ieldra]

@Crutch:
Also recall that we sent Mac Walters a link to my big "Miranda concerns" post on page 830.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Actually, it's extremely likely that, had the complaining not occurred around the time of the leak, the romance scene would still be the interrupted version and the email would not be there at all.

The mail follows too closely many of the things we've discussed in this thread to be an accident, especially given that it doesn't fit with everything else that's in the game.

The romance scene was one of the only things in the leak that is different in the game, meaning it was a last-minute change. So, that's also likely, as it was another major complaint.

Maybe I was too pessimistic here and these threads were read. But I still think any real change likely came from contacting the devs directly (as I'm sure you've done) as opposed to them sifting through all the crap on here.
Edit: As the ninja by Ieldra confirms.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[Vertigo_1]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I don't know where people keep getting these "stranded" theories. You do realize every Mass Relay exploded right? As in Arrival x a million? Everyone's dead. You just got to pick the last color they saw before the mass extinction effect.

Heh. Mass Extinction. I can't be the first one who thought that up^_^

The relays are gone but not in the same way it was done in Arrival.
Explosion yes, but no supernova this time.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

About the Mass Relays: If you choose the Destroy Ending and have a High Enough Military Strength, the Explosion from the Crucible and The Relays would be made ONLY to kill the Reapers, meaning ALL Organic Life would be Spared.

Hackett or someone else (Forgot) even Mentioned to Shepard in finding a way to use the Crucible so that the Blast would ONLY Kill the Reapers. The Blast from the Relays was the Same Type of Blast from the Crucible/Citadel.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[CrutchCricket]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
The relays are gone but not in the same way it was done in Arrival.
Explosion yes, but no supernova this time.

Was this confirmed by the devs? You'd know, lol.

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I don't know where people keep getting these "stranded" theories. You do realize every Mass Relay exploded right? As in Arrival x a million? Everyone's dead. You just got to pick the last color they saw before the mass extinction effect.

Shepard: On second thought, let's not beam up to the Citadel. It is a silly place.

[enayasoul]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

I rememeber back when the SB dossier came out and all that whirlwind over her infertility/pregnancy etc and folks worried about her being cured by Shepard's Super Sperm

I think I would have preferred Shepard's Super Sperm to what we got (er...for Miranda that is...not me )

So Miranda is left on a devastated Earth away from the 2 people she loves

As we English say....bugger

Am I really the only person who picks the destroy ending with 5000+ EMS?

No I picked the destroy method with over 7000+ EMS with Multiplayer help and N7 Operatives to cushion up the alliance.  Prankly, the points didn't provide any more cutscenes (like implied from an article I just read) nothing more was added when I was at 5500 EMS with Multiplayer.      

[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

About the Mass Relays: If you choose the Destroy Ending and have a High Enough Military Strength, the Explosion from the Crucible and The Relays would be made ONLY to kill the Reapers, meaning ALL Organic Life would be Spared.

Hackett or someone else (Forgot) even Mentioned to Shepard in finding a way to use the Crucible so that the Blast would ONLY Kill the Reapers.

Destroying all relays and sparing organic life are not mutually exclusive. There are pockets of life that aren't in relay systems. So not everyone died. Just most of them.

Besides I figure any option in the RGB acts as a hard reset, killing everything around the relays. But of course the little kid hologram wouldn't tell us that.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I don't know where people keep getting these "stranded" theories. You do realize every Mass Relay exploded right? As in Arrival x a million? Everyone's dead. You just got to pick the last color they saw before the mass extinction effect.
Heh. Mass Extinction. I can't be the first one who thought that up^_^

It would make no sense to have endings where Earth is ok were that true. I don't think we're supposed to think that Shepard just killed billions of intelligent organics in order to defeat the Reapers. I think it's safe to assume the Crucible makes the relays release their energy in a more controlled way and the following explosion hasn't got nearly the same force as if the relay were still fully charged.

Or....the people who designed the endings didn't think of this. Which seems very likely. Considering the number of plot hole, I'm beginning to suspect they didn't think much of anything beyond the starchild scene at all when making the endings in the first place.

A hard reset makes no sense. You might be able to integrate Destroy and Control into one scenario if most people are dead, but you can't integrate the Synthesis.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Shepard: On second thought, let's not beam up to the Citadel. It is a silly place.

lol Doc, you always know what to say.

Hackett: The Crucible!
Anderson: The Crucible!
Shepard: The Crucible!
EDI: It's only a model.
Hackett: Shh!

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Maybe I was too pessimistic here and these threads were read. But I still think any real change likely came from contacting the devs directly (as I'm sure you've done) as opposed to them sifting through all the crap on here.

Well, that's also possible. However, the reality is: volume matters. It's not an intellectual exercise, I wish it were, as that is the type of thing that I prefer to participate in.

It's about a game being in crunch time, and the only things getting addressed are the ones people are making noise about. So, wherever they looked for specific info, such as perhaps some of the suggestions we tweeted to them, you can bet that the only reason they bothered was the general level of complaints.

I'm not even sure that Miranda would have the option to live if Miranda fans hadn't been pretty vocal in the lead-up to the game's release over the summer. The elaborate nature of the romance death scene is very suspicious in that regard. Surely they realize that not many people in the romance will see this, why make it such a focus?

So, it's very possible that they were toying with the idea of an auto-death at some point.

[Skullheart]

Talking about the citadel and the relays.


In ME1 Vigil explained that the Reapers used the citadel to control the relay network. Shutting down some relay so the reapers are the only who can freely use them.

Why didn't they use the Citadel to shut down the relay network when they recovered its control? They could just deactivate the charon relay and Shepard and friends could never bring the Crucible to Sol system in time.

Modifié par Skullheart, 22 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

My beliefs are my own, and I stand by them. I believe the Blast of the Relays was the Same as the Crucible/Citadel. A Domino Effect. I saw the Earth, NO ONE was vaporized, and I saw Myself gasping for Air. The Blast was SUCCESSFULLY Made so that it would only Deactivate the Reapers.

Don't try to correct me. This is MY Preference!

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
It would make no sense to have endings where Earth is ok were that true. I don't think we're supposed to think that Shepard just killed billions of intelligent organics in order to defeat the Reapers. I think it's safe to assume the Crucible makes the relays release their energy in a more controlled way and the following explosion hasn't got nearly the same force as if the relay were still fully charged.

Or....the people who designed the endings didn't think of this. Which seems very likely. Considering the number of plot hole, I'm beginning to suspect they didn't think much of anything beyond the starchild scene at all when making the endings in the first place.

Neither does destroying absolutely everything about a franchise you spent 5 years creating. But there it is.

I mean it's obvious the holokid wasn't telling you the whole truth- no. I'm not even going to attempt to rationalize this. RGB sucks. Let's get back to Miranda.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
no. I'm not even going to attempt to rationalize this. RGB sucks. Let's get back to Miranda.

:lol:
Yeah. Attempt to rationalize the endings can only end in madness.

[jtav]

I think the auto-death theory is a likely one. The romanced death is extremely polished. It provides emotional closure that the survival scenario does not. Miranda is completely dropped if she survived. And Miranda's death with the love theme playing in the background fits the 2.5 star action movie template perfectly.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I think the auto-death theory is a likely one.

It's very plausible in any event, though there's no way to be sure.

Admittedly, she does seem to survive in at least one of the early story drafts (in the 2nd it's hard to tell), and the survival scenario is already in the leaked script.

That said, the emphasis on the death scenes in the game, and especially the romance death (which people are far less likely to see now that she can survive), makes it very possible that, with the game in crunch time, and no resources to do much of anything else with Miranda, the death might have been automatic had the thread not been going nuts in August and September when they were finishing this.

So, let's keep that in mind

[o Ventus]

enayasoul wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

I rememeber back when the SB dossier came out and all that whirlwind over her infertility/pregnancy etc and folks worried about her being cured by Shepard's Super Sperm

I think I would have preferred Shepard's Super Sperm to what we got (er...for Miranda that is...not me )

So Miranda is left on a devastated Earth away from the 2 people she loves

As we English say....bugger

Am I really the only person who picks the destroy ending with 5000+ EMS?

No I picked the destroy method with over 7000+ EMS with Multiplayer help and N7 Operatives to cushion up the alliance.  Prankly, the points didn't provide any more cutscenes (like implied from an article I just read) nothing more was added when I was at 5500 EMS with Multiplayer.      

You didn't see Shepard gasping for breath?

[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think the auto-death theory is a likely one.

It's very plausible in any event, though there's no way to be sure.

Admittedly, she does seem to survive in at least one of the early story drafts (in the 2nd it's hard to tell), and the survival scenario is already in the leaked script.

That said, the emphasis on the death scenes in the game, and especially the romance death (which people are far less likely to see now that she can survive), makes it very possible that, with the game in crunch time, and no resources to do much of anything else with Miranda, the death might have been automatic had the thread not been going nuts in August and September when they were finishing this.

So, let's keep that in mind

Well, we'd know how it feels to be a Thane-mancer at that point.

[jtav]

Well, what pushes me into the auto death camp is that you only get an on-screen kiss or a declaration of love if she dies. Those are things we expect to see in romance's and we only get it in the tragic version. There's also the fact that Reflections (ME2 love theme) fits the tone of a romance death really well. At the very least, I think that was the base version, with the other coming later.

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...

Well, we'd know how it feels to be a Thane-mancer at that point.

Yes, though with Thane there is the fact that he says he his dying/about to die pretty much from the moment you meet him. So, I think there is more justification in following through on that. Not to say I'm in favor of the writers handling it that way in particular, but the situation is different.

Where Miranda is concerned, a couple of related points:

1) Breaking up with her = death. That's really wierd. But, perhaps slightly less wierd if you consider that it may possibly originally have been: everything = death.

2) Some of the strategy guides seem to refer to the romance being necessary for Miranda to live. So, that may also have been considered as an option.

Anyway, something to keep in mind when considering the "worthlessness" of being a bit vocal on the forums. It's stupid. Idiotic, in fact. But there you have it.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[enayasoul]

o Ventus wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

I rememeber back when the SB dossier came out and all that whirlwind over her infertility/pregnancy etc and folks worried about her being cured by Shepard's Super Sperm

I think I would have preferred Shepard's Super Sperm to what we got (er...for Miranda that is...not me )

So Miranda is left on a devastated Earth away from the 2 people she loves

As we English say....bugger

Am I really the only person who picks the destroy ending with 5000+ EMS?

No I picked the destroy method with over 7000+ EMS with Multiplayer help and N7 Operatives to cushion up the alliance.  Prankly, the points didn't provide any more cutscenes (like implied from an article I just read) nothing more was added when I was at 5500 EMS with Multiplayer.      

You didn't see Shepard gasping for breath?

OH I did!  I just thought there was something MORE but there was nothing MORE than his chest moving. I was hoping but that was just it hope!   

Apparently, the space battle was a little different.  One ship get's blown up the other time it doesn't?  Just looking at all the videos in the bioware game folder with rad tools player.