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[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Well, we'd know how it feels to be a Thane-mancer at that point.

Yes, though with Thane there is the fact that he says he his dying/about to die pretty much from the moment you meet him. So, I think there is more justification in following through on that. Not to say I'm in favor of the writers handling it that way in particular, but the situation is different.

Where Miranda is concerned, a couple of related points:

1) Breaking up with her = death. That's really wierd. But, perhaps slightly less wierd if you consider that it may possibly originally have been: everything = death.

2) Some of the strategy guides seem to refer to the romance being necessary for Miranda to live. So, that may also have been considered as an option.

Thane's illness isn't as big a problem as most people believe. He was, after all, eligible for a lung transplant. The only reason it didn't happen is because he flat-out denied it.

But enough about Thane.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@o Ventus
Game reviewers like GameSpot and IGN try to make us look bad because we want answers for the ending

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...

Thane's illness isn't as big a problem as most people believe. He was, after all, eligible for a lung transplant. The only reason it didn't happen is because he flat-out denied it.

But enough about Thane.

Well, what I meant was more that, from a storytelling perspective, in a game like this, there was substantial indication that Thane's romance might very well be tragic. Again, not arguing in favor of it, just noting an important difference. 

[jtav]

I actually wouldn't have minded a forced death if it were suitably heroic like Legion's. If Miranda stepped into some kind of control device to reverse what TIM and her father had done and shared a last kiss with Shepard before willingly going to her death for the greater good…Well, I would have cried my eyes out and replayed the scene about 10 more times. It's sad, but it's also incredibly life-affirming. The current death is just sad.

[pyro_technician]

Ok I've heard rumors that the devs are adding on content now , was this confirmed? Or is everyone just assuming again? I'm not on often enough to keep up with to many threads

[flemm]

pyro_technician wrote...

Ok I've heard rumors that the devs are adding on content now , was this confirmed? Or is everyone just assuming again? I'm not on often enough to keep up with to many threads

There was a statement that the devs would be trying to provide clarity and closure for those that feel it is currently lacking, presumably through DLC content.

Since DLC content was coming anyway, it's not really clear at this point what that means concretely.

Some rumors have suggested that there will actually be a new ending(s) added, but that's not confirmed, I don't believe.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[pyro_technician]

flemm wrote...

pyro_technician wrote...

Ok I've heard rumors that the devs are adding on content now , was this confirmed? Or is everyone just assuming again? I'm not on often enough to keep up with to many threads

There was a statement that the devs would trying to provide clarity and closure for those that feel it is currently lacking, presumably through DLC content.

Since DLC content was coming anyway, it's not really clear at this point what that means concretely.

Thanks, I suppose we'll have to take that with a grain of salt then. 

[goofyomnivore]

I actually wouldn't have minded a forced death if it were suitably heroic like Legion's.

Same. Forced deaths are fine for me if they make sense and are done good. Mordin's death is one of my favorite moments in the game.

Modifié par strive, 22 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I actually wouldn't have minded a forced death if it were suitably heroic like Legion's. If Miranda stepped into some kind of control device to reverse what TIM and her father had done and shared a last kiss with Shepard before willingly going to her death for the greater good…Well, I would have cried my eyes out and replayed the scene about 10 more times. It's sad, but it's also incredibly life-affirming. The current death is just sad.

It's not what I would want, but I could live with it if it were really, really good.

[o Ventus]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@o Ventus
Game reviewers like GameSpot and IGN try to make us look bad because we want answers for the ending

At this point, I could care less about those abominations. I've already headcanoned my version of the destroy ending.

What pisses me off is the lack of polish the ME2 cast has (Obviously, including Miranda). Legion and Thane ALWAYS die, Mordin dies 99% of the time, and Jacob always leaves FemShep. Jack and Miranda are the only ones with a "complete" romance arc (har har). The all but thrown-in-your-face implications of an auto-death for Miranda make me wonder what the purpose of including her as a romance was. Call my tastes bad, but I *loathe* forced character deaths, especially in games toting their supposed "player choice". Maybe it's due to my lack of a human soul, but they don't make me sad, they make me angry. I don't cry, I just say "Welp, I saw that coming from the other end of town".

I'm serious, too. The only on-screen affection displayed (I'm not talking about the hand-holding, either) is during her romanced death, as is the only time either Shepard or Miranda confess love to one another. If she lives, it turns into "Thanks for saving me Shepard, talk to you on Earth. Later".

They could have also played a less half-assed attempt at blatant damage control in the SB letter. If you're anything like me (Never read Liara's terminal), you'd never know what the hell Miranda's doing in the fight unless you checked these forums. Everyone else either flat-out tells you or dies.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...
 If she lives, it turns into "Thanks for saving me Shepard, talk to you on Earth. Later".

The end of Miranda's mission in the scenario where she lives is my least favorite/most hated moment of her entire appearance. "You have a war to fight, let's go Oriana." That is not Miranda, lol. Just awful.

Especially given that, earlier in the game, it's suggested, on more than one occasion, that she needed to deal with her father/Oriana *first*, meaning that her focus should flip back to other things at that point.

[jtav]

I object to the notion that Mordin and especially Legion lack polish. Legion matters immensely to the future of the geth. It's more important to me that Miranda matter and be a hero than that she live. I would prefer to have both, but I know what I would choose if I had to. But she goes out in a rather weak manner. Thane saves the life of the salarian Councilor and has a great fight scene. Miranda's death changes nothing.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
 If she lives, it turns into "Thanks for saving me Shepard, talk to you on Earth. Later".

The end of Miranda's mission in the scenario where she lives is my least favorite/most hated moment of her entire appearance. "You have a war to fight, let's go Oriana." That is not Miranda, lol. Just awful.

Especially given that, earlier in the game, it's suggested, on more than one occasion, that she needed to deal with her father/Oriana *first*, meaning that her focus should flip back to other things at that point.

Yeah i sat there a bit stunned and disappointed.

[Skullheart]

Miranda lives: just 25 more points. That's the only difference betwen a dead and alive Miranda. The surprise attack to TIM base can still be done while she is dead.

[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
 If she lives, it turns into "Thanks for saving me Shepard, talk to you on Earth. Later".

The end of Miranda's mission in the scenario where she lives is my least favorite/most hated moment of her entire appearance. "You have a war to fight, let's go Oriana." That is not Miranda, lol. Just awful.

Especially given that, earlier in the game, it's suggested, on more than one occasion, that she needed to deal with her father/Oriana *first*, meaning that her focus should flip back to other things at that point.

This is just my own opinion, but why didn't Miranda come up to the Normandy at that point (If only temporarily)? I mean, she says herself that she's getting her injuries treated, so why couldn't she and Oriana come up to the medbay? It would be the perfect time to continue conversations with her (And actually meet Oriana). Something as small as "What do you plan on doing now?" or "What do you tihnk will happen when the war is over?" would suffice. Of course, also a romance dialogue, that Oriana could take note of.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[jtav]

I don't understand why they didn't either a) give her something to do or incapacitate her even if she lived. If Leng sent her through the wall, I would at least understand why she dropped out of the story.

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...

This is just my own opinion, but why didn't Miranda come up to the Normandy at that point (If only temporarily)? I mean, she says herself that she's getting her injuries treated, so why couldn't she and Oriana come up to the medbay?

Well, that's the whole issue, really, imo: there is no reason.

She *should* come with you at that point. The writers know how to give strong/plausible reasons for the opposite to happen. However, nothing of the kind is provided in this case.

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

I object to the notion that Mordin and especially Legion lack polish. Legion matters immensely to the future of the geth. It's more important to me that Miranda matter and be a hero than that she live. I would prefer to have both, but I know what I would choose if I had to. But she goes out in a rather weak manner. Thane saves the life of the salarian Councilor and has a great fight scene. Miranda's death changes nothing.

He's also replaced by a generic geth VI if he died on the Collector Base.

Super important.

[Td1984]

Just finished up ME3. Joker, EDI and Ash were the only 3 who were shown coming out.

[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

I object to the notion that Mordin and especially Legion lack polish. Legion matters immensely to the future of the geth. It's more important to me that Miranda matter and be a hero than that she live. I would prefer to have both, but I know what I would choose if I had to. But she goes out in a rather weak manner. Thane saves the life of the salarian Councilor and has a great fight scene. Miranda's death changes nothing.

I mean, even Jack's death gets an extra audio clip and a named phantom that taunts you.

[flemm]

TheMarshal wrote...

I mean, even Jack's death gets an extra audio clip and a named phantom that taunts you.

Well, Jack contributes significantly to the war effort if she lives. So, that is the other way this can work.

[jtav]

And that's where it just becomes bizarre. Severe injury is an obvious one. Or have Hackett mention he's recruited her for wetwork and intel. Or she's serving as a liaison between the Alliance (she has numerous contacts within the government in canon) and ex-Cerberus, providing you a bonus with them.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@o Ventus
It's good to always have a convenient Geth VI around never know when you need one

[jtav]

Though if Legion's dead, bye bye peace.

[Alikan]

Gah, first i break of the relationship and break her heart and then she dies.....felt so dirty...so, very, very dirty...

Modifié par Alikan, 22 mars 2012 - 09:32 .