82210 réponses à ce sujet

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I actually wouldn't have minded a forced death if it were suitably heroic like Legion's. If Miranda stepped into some kind of control device to reverse what TIM and her father had done and shared a last kiss with Shepard before willingly going to her death for the greater good…Well, I would have cried my eyes out and replayed the scene about 10 more times. It's sad, but it's also incredibly life-affirming. The current death is just sad.

It's not what I would want, but I could live with it if it were really, really good.

DO NOT WANT EVER!

I cried for Mordin but he was Mordin and anyone but him would get it wrong.  

[pyro_technician]

I ugly cried at Mordin and Legion's death. It was intense. I can't even begin to fathom how I'd feel if Miri sacrificed herself like that

[flemm]

enayasoul wrote...

DO NOT WANT EVER!

I cried for Mordin but he was Mordin and anyone but him would get it wrong.  

Well, I don't want it either. I'd much prefer an option where Miranda surviving is important. I wouldn't mind a scenario where her sacrifice is meaningful as an additional thing, though (I mean, she can already die during the SM, so it's not like this is a new thing).

I dislike the fact that Miranda has no impact on anything, alive or dead, especially given that this is exclusively true of Miranda, as far as returning squad members are concerned. It's bizarre.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[jtav]

Jack doesn't have much either. Prangley dies and Kahlee's reccomendation is different.

[TomY90]

flemm wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

DO NOT WANT EVER!

I cried for Mordin but he was Mordin and anyone but him would get it wrong.  

Well, I don't want it either. I'd much prefer an option where Miranda surviving is important. I wouldn't mind a scenario where her sacrifice is meaningful as an additional thing, though (I mean, she can already die during the SM, so it's not like this is a new thing).

I dislike the fact that Miranda has no impact on anything, alive or dead, especially given that this is exclusively true of Miranda, as far as returning squad members are concerned. It's bizarre.

it is true it is a shame that Miranda did not have that much of an impact for consequences in ME3 but I guess it is hard for her to have any real impact considering she is on the run from cerberus and her father whilst trying to protect Oriana.

But it would have been nice some consequences for her being alive like intel on cerberus that helps the alliance or something.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Jack doesn't have much either. Prangley dies and Kahlee's reccomendation is different.

What happens with the biotic company?

[CrutchCricket]

No forced death for Miranda. Ever. Mordin and Thane were only acceptable because they were on their way to checkout anyway. I'm still not sure how I feel about Legion. I mean yeah maybe the true AI Legion is gone. But maybe they backed up the geth programs at some point between ME2 and 3? So he could conceivably come back. Though he would have to be different in some way.

Of course all of the above is under the assumption that the RGB abomination will be overturned.

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Jack doesn't have much either. Prangley dies and Kahlee's reccomendation is different.

What happens with the biotic company?

Same as if she was alive.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Same as if she was alive.

Well, that's not great either, then, and should be more significant, though it still manages to be a bit better than Miranda's contribution and general situation for the endgame.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I actually wouldn't have minded a forced death if it were suitably heroic like Legion's. If Miranda stepped into some kind of control device to reverse what TIM and her father had done and shared a last kiss with Shepard before willingly going to her death for the greater good…Well, I would have cried my eyes out and replayed the scene about 10 more times. It's sad, but it's also incredibly life-affirming. The current death is just sad.

No forced death for me. That was in the list of things we don't want and my opinion hasn't changed. I always wanted Miranda to survive, and I wanted her survival scenario to be awesome. I got the former, but as for the latter.....
Also, an awesome forced death combined with a half-assed survival scenario would be the greatest insult of all.

[Skullheart]

At least Jack tells shepard what she has been doing. With Miranda is Oriana Oriana Oriana Ori father Oriana Oriana Oriana

[Td1984]

pyro_technician wrote...

I ugly cried at Mordin and Legion's death. It was intense. I can't even begin to fathom how I'd feel if Miri sacrificed herself like that

I was upset a bit over Mordin (but didn't cry), and not as upset over Legion's death as I thought I'd be. In London on the other hand, that was ugly. Having to reassure my crew that we'd all live, knowing full well that (in-game anyway) I wouldn't be coming back while they talk like it is the end made me *really* upset.

[MisterJB]

First conversation on the Citadel, zero differences between a Miranda who resigned from Cerberus and one who didn't.

Makes you wonder what did she deny TIM that he took so badly.

[jtav]

My preference is for awesomeness. Preferably alive, but Miranda dying per se just isn't that big a deal.

[TomY90]

MisterJB wrote...

First conversation on the Citadel, zero differences between a Miranda who resigned from Cerberus and one who didn't.

Makes you wonder what did she deny TIM that he took so badly.

she leaves cerberus whether she was with you to face the reaper or not.

and plus I doubt ME2 save system takes into account who did want in the suicide mission rather who lived and who died and thats it. This makes it impossible for it to change Miranda's dialogue if she was at the reaper fight or not.

But the first conversation on the citadel was extremely well done in my opinion and suited Miranda quite nicely maybe except trying to hide from cerberus etc when dressed like that but we will let that one slide for obvious reasons.

[jtav]

Eh, flemm there's no difference between keeping and destroying the base. I have no clue why Miranda left Cerberus in my game.

[MisterJB]

TomY90 wrote...

she leaves cerberus whether she was with you to face the reaper or not.

There was no indication in ME3 that Miranda; or Shepard for that matter; left Cerberus if Shepard did not destroy the Collector Base. She had doubts about using the Base but that doesn't equal doubts about Cerberus.
The least they could have done would be to provide a reason as to why Miranda is no longer with the organization in ME3.

and plus I doubt ME2 save system takes into account who did want in the suicide mission rather who lived and who died and thats it. This makes it impossible for it to change Miranda's dialogue if she was at the reaper fight or not.

Nothing' easier. Just use this principle:
CB destroyed: Miranda resigns.
CB kept: Miranda did not resign.

[CuseGirl]

Another plot hole: If you gave TiM the Collector Base, why was Miranda running for her life, even though she never made it clear she wanted out of Cerberus?

[TheMarshal]

CuseGirl wrote...

Another plot hole: If you gave TiM the Collector Base, why was Miranda running for her life, even though she never made it clear she wanted out of Cerberus?

Noticing that the chatty Cerberus soldiers are becoming indoctrinated husks is enough to make anyone a little jumpy.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
No forced death for me. That was in the list of things we don't want and my opinion hasn't changed. I always wanted Miranda to survive, and I wanted her survival scenario to be awesome. I got the former, but as for the latter.....
Also, an awesome forced death combined with a half-assed survival scenario would be the greatest insult of all.

I agree about the forced death, of course, I do not want that (obviously). What I *want* is awesomeness when she survives. This makes/would make the difficulty in keeping her alive meaningful.

I'm... not sure if I agree about an awesome death/sacrifice, combined with a less beneficial survival scenario, necessarily being more insulting than what we have now. It would depend on how it was handled. The difference couldn't be too great, though, probably.

A noble/meaningful sacrifice could be a good potential ending for Miranda in certain scenarios, though, I think. I don't want it to be the only ending by any means, or the most beneficial one by much or anything. But it could be good as one story choice, and very much like Miranda, in some ways, to put the cause/mission before her own personal happiness. 

Given her father + Cerberus' role in creating a legion of human slaves (a perversion of her own ideals), I think a sacrifice to liberate them could be a good story choice. Combined with a scenario where she lives, but is unable to free quite as many of the indoctrinated soldiers... something along those lines could be good.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[CuseGirl]

TheMarshal wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Another plot hole: If you gave TiM the Collector Base, why was Miranda running for her life, even though she never made it clear she wanted out of Cerberus?

Noticing that the chatty Cerberus soldiers are becoming indoctrinated husks is enough to make anyone a little jumpy.

Good point. But at least say that out loud. Maybe during all that talk about a control chip, she could have slipped in "I fled XYZ sector after the Normandy was confiscated, got back to Cronos station and I got wind that my father was working with TiM. DEUCES" I could totally buy that

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

Eh, flemm there's no difference between keeping and destroying the base. I have no clue why Miranda left Cerberus in my game.

Actually there is a difference.  The heart or the brain part of the reaper to power the crucible...

Heart = destroyed
Brain = kept

The Illusive man is more "friendly" not by much on Mars.  My brother kept the base while I destroyed the base.  Friendly or pissed off

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Deleted

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mars 2012 - 11:15 .

[flemm]

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

Eh, flemm there's no difference between keeping and destroying the base. I have no clue why Miranda left Cerberus in my game.

Actually there is a difference.  The heart or the brain part of the reaper to power the crucible...

Heart = destroyed
Brain = kept

The Illusive man is more "friendly" not by much on Mars.  My brother kept the base while I destroyed the base.  Friendly or pissed off

It seems like the need to account for so many "might be dead" characters pretty much overpowered their ability to make a lot of other "big" choices matter.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Do you think that Miri killed a few Brutes on Earth? Or maybe Banshees?

Do you think she had her own Military Regiment/Squad?