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[Ieldra]

@Vertigo:
Do you want to write a fanfic using your scenario or this is just nostalgia for what could have been? Also I'm interested in what you'd do with TIM's base.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
All other things being equal, I'd handle Miranda's death like Grunt's. She gives her father a speech. "This isn't Cerberus! I gave my life to protect humanity! You're just a monster!" And she sabotages his Reaper signal and reverses integration, but is wounded. If she was unloyal, the wound is mortal and she dies in Shepard or Oriana's arms. If she's loyal, the wound is not mortal and the freed soldiers look to her for leadership and she promises a new Cerberus.

Simple and effective. And in fact, what I expected to happen at least with kept-CB Miranda. It would've been just a few added lines. That nobody of the oh-so-professional people at Bioware saw that there needed to be some closure for Miranda/Cerberus beggars comprehension.

[Ieldra]

SNascimento wrote...
Well, she worked with Cerberus for almost 20 years and was the second-in-command. She knew very well was Cerberus was capable of. I don't think staying with Cerberus would go against the character...

I think it would. She already didn't like Teltin, and what Cerberus does in ME3 goes beyond anything they've done before. Before, they were just casual about collateral damage, here they rob people of their humanity in order to create those "expendable shock troops". It is a betrayal of Cerberus' original mission statement. Miranda would never go along with it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Eh, flemm there's no difference between keeping and destroying the base. I have no clue why Miranda left Cerberus in my game.

Did you know that the reference to being Cerberus 2IC is romance-exclusive? In my femShep / keptCB game, she doesn't mention it. What were they smoking at Bioware?

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Did you know that the reference to being Cerberus 2IC is romance-exclusive? In my femShep / keptCB game, she doesn't mention it. What were they smoking at Bioware?

Yes it seems to be romance exclusive.
Also something bothers in the first conversation with a romanced Miranda, Shepard tells her he haven't heard from her during the past six months yet he doesn't ask how she's been (on the run) as opposed to the non-romanced conversation. So much for being a caring boyfriend + we miss a couple of badass lines from Miranda.
We have to pick up the clues here and there to have the whole story completed.

Your last sentence made me laugh, a friend of mine who is a casual ME gamer so to speak asked me the same thing about the endings He told me: "I don't know what drugs they were on but I want some"

Modifié par ThomGau, 23 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...
Miranda is a bit crazy.
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And Tali getting drunk and speaking about her is pretty cool.

Except that she always speaks as if Miranda is dead. That soured the scene for me.

That, and not being able to verbally **** slap Tali for what she says at the end, did it for me. Yes Tali, I know you're upset that the person you hero worshipped doesn't want you to be his girlfriend, but insulting (or at best, giving a backhanded compliment) his current girlfriend doesn't help matters!<_<

[CrutchCricket]

I didn't think drunk Tali sounded like Miranda's dead. I was a bit surprised she would compare herself to Miranda. I mean Tali's father was emotionally distant, not a tyrant. But I thought there was almost a sense of awe in it, which I didn't mind at all. Unexpected as hell. But I didn't mind. And of course there's the emergency induction port...

As for that last line it wasn't an insult at all. It was just weird coming from a female alien as opposed to just some drunk dude.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Ieldra]

I agree that it wasn't an insult. There was too much respect in the way she said it. Almost like she regrets she never came to know Miranda better.

I still think it sounds as if Miranda is dead. "You two *were* close", that's the statement that makes it so.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I still think it sounds as if Miranda is dead. "You two *were* close", that's the statement that makes it so.

Ah yes. Now I remember. That's not the worst part though. The worst part is that Shepard doesn't correct that past tense, he uses it.

Disappointed.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[The Elder King]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I still think it sounds as if Miranda is dead. "You two *were* close", that's the statement that makes it so.

Ah yes. Now I remember. That's not the worst part though. The worst part is that Shepard doesn't correct that past tense, he uses it.

Disappointed.

I though it was a bug. I think it should be fixed, it doesn't make sense.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Did you know that the reference to being Cerberus 2IC is romance-exclusive? In my femShep / keptCB game, she doesn't mention it. What were they smoking at Bioware?

That's certainly a wierd thing to adjust based on the romance. Honestly, the implementation is just bizarre overall.

I also think that a dialogue option to ask essentially, "So, why did you leave Cerberus?" should have obviously been included here. Even in games where the base was destroyed, it would make sense to get more clarification.

[jtav]

A bug would imply the other lines exist. This was an oversight. More evidence death was preferred. And I wouldn't mind if Miranda went out in a blaze of glory. Imagine this: Shepard arrives to find Leng kneeling over a dying Miranda. He taunts her with being an obsolete fool defeated by the new order, "Defeated? (notices Shep, smiles) I won. You...just don't know it yet." Shepard chases Leng away. Miranda reveals the tracer. "Told him I won." The defiance is key.

[jtav]

Further updates from a disaster game. Jacob's survival doesn't matter much either. Neither does Garrus in terms of assets, though you lose him as a squaddie. The only LIs whose survival matters in big picture terms are Tali and Thane.

So, ah, we aren't alone?

Modifié par jtav, 23 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[Skullheart]

@jtav

And Mordin? I was able to create a cure with his replacement. Maelon's cure was destroyed, so I don't know if he can save Eve with the data.

[jtav]

Mordin vs. Padok I really don't know thanks to the heap of variables.

I will say that I'd rather import a Miranda romance than start a new one. Those romances are insanely short.

[CrutchCricket]

Can't start a Miranda romance if you didn't do it in ME3. Can't do it with any of the ME2 romanceables.

And for the record I don't accept Miranda sacrificing herself no matter how badassfuly it's done. Not unless there's some option to avoid/fix it.

[jtav]

That's what I mean. I'd rather have an imported romance with Miranda than a new one with Liara.

And Miranda dying really doesn't bother me. Sad, but not the end of the world. And death doesn't have the sting it did before Lazarus and Eva. It's a pricey time out box.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...
And Miranda dying really doesn't bother me. Sad, but not the end of the world. And death doesn't have the sting it did before Lazarus and Eva. It's a pricey time out box.

Interesting, given how a few months ago you (or it might've been someone else) were trying to convince me that Miranda was the only one who could pull Lazarus off.

But yeah technically you're right. It's not the end of the world. The end of the world is the one that comes in three colors...

Actually you know what I rescind my statement completely. There is one and only one Miranda sacrifice I would accept and that is the one that completely wipes the RGB from existance. Get me Miranda on the Crucible wiping out the Reapers and that insufferable holokid without killing the geth or destroying the relays and I will allow that, heartbreaking though it may be.

[jtav]

It's always easier to replicate a feat than do it for the first time. The ME universe is no longer a world where death is always final.

As long as I can keep Green and Blue.

[Skullheart]

The first Lazarus was impossible before Miranda took charge of that cell. A second Lazarus can be done without her, considerating that all the research is already done. Even the cost could be minor.

She designed it, now anyone smart enough can use it.

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...
 

She designed it, now anyone smart enough can use it.

Agreed, it's the initial breakthrough that is most difficult, it's generally easier to replicate or exploit that type of new discovery.

Modifié par flemm, 23 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[CrutchCricket]

No. All of it must go. RGB goes against everything previously established.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Maybe we'll end up getting CMYK endings. *Small Joke*

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Td1984]

I'm guessing that I'm in the minority with the holokid. I wasn't overly irritated with him. Of course, it was only my first of at least 4 total playthroughs, so by the end it is very possible I'll come to want to strangle him. I was more bothered by seeing Thomas' father figure die.