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[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Maybe we'll end up getting CMYK endings. *Small Joke*

?

Not familiar with the acronym, probably why I don't get it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

It is another color model, like RGB (Red, Green, Blue). It can be seen using Programs like Adobe Illustrator.

CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and Key (Black)).

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[CrutchCricket]

Td1984 wrote...

I'm guessing that I'm in the minority with the holokid. I wasn't overly irritated with him. Of course, it was only my first of at least 4 total playthroughs, so by the end it is very possible I'll come to want to strangle him. I was more bothered by seeing Thomas' father figure die.

Holokid completely ruins the Reapers by his very existence.

Oh you thought you were facing Mecha-Cthulu? Completely incomprehensible, nigh-unbeatable, drive you insane and make you their slaves if you even get near them? Nope. Turns out they're just old fashioned killbots stuck in the most ridiculously convoluted logic failure in the entire galaxy. Oh and they're all controlled by a damn holokid and all you have to do to stop them is pick one of three completely inane and balls to the wall ridiculous "choices" whereby you either shoot an overly elaborate pipe, grab onto two electrodes or throw yourself down a laser beam!

No you know what, **** that. I'm gonna take a page from jtav and disregard this nonsense. I reject your reality ME3 and substitute my own.

The meeting with holokid? Complete hallucinations brought on by Shepard's injuries and progressing indoctrination. Also dangerous gambit by the Reapers since he is actually a threat now. So they give him these "choices" to trip him up and present the holokid (modeled of the kid on earth and based on his memories) to sell the illusion. Shooting the pipe vents deadly neurotoxin in the room which would kill him. Grabbing the electrodes completes the indoctrination process which removes him from the equation. And throwing himself into a laser beam is exactly what it says on the tin- throwing himself into a ****ing laser beam. So Shepard rejects these choices. Through a supreme act of heroic willpower he moves to a previously unnoticed control panel and actually activates the Crucible- a Death Star-like superweapon capable of tracking Reaper energy signatures and firing, you guessed it, giant laser beams at them, completely ruining their sh!t. It requires the Citadel for mobility having no innate propulsion. The Crucible's activated shielding blocks the Reaper indoctrination signal and Shepard can finally think clearly. At this point he finally meets the true Catalyst- the control VI for the station, which isn't a little kid but rather an abstract form with a badass voice. They have a bit of back and forth where Shepard wonders if this is real or another trick and the VI questions his ability to command the station and his right to destroy the Reapers (you can still thrown in something here about "cosmic balance" or what have you). EMS can play a role here whereas if you don't have it high enough the Crucible doesn't destroy all Reapers or it kills them too slowly or it takes you too long to convince it and as a result more and more people die, worlds are lost etc. Once in motion, a command chair is created for Shepard and wearily he sits in it while the VI activates the weapon systems. It begins firing at the Reapers completely obliterating them. Once the battle for Earth is done Shepard opens a comm to all remaining fleets telling them to move out to the next system. You can now choose which system you want to save first which will obviously have different reactions from your squadmates. LI will get pissed at you if you don't help them right away (i.e. Liara if you don't go for Thessia) and so on. You need to deploy the fleets first in order to move the station in range and power up the weapons. EMS again plays a role as if you have too few you can't deploy in a given system (otherwise Reapers can concentrate their fire on you and cripple or even destroy the Citadel and Crucible. Basically if you play your cards right the rest of it is a giant Reaper hunt- completely satisfying. Again based on differing variables you can have Shepard survive or sucumb to his wounds (perhaps commanding the Crucible is strenous). Finally when all is said and done  the Crucible detaches from the Citadel and its purpose completed self-destructs. Allied forces either find a dead or severely weakend Shepard in the Council Chambers. Credits, cue expanded universe.

I will flush out more details but I'm pretty sure this wins everything.

MeFan: Did not know that, thanks for the info. Also the joke;)

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Did you know that the reference to being Cerberus 2IC is romance-exclusive? In my femShep / keptCB game, she doesn't mention it. What were they smoking at Bioware?

That's because the only reference in the entire game to her being Cerberus 2IC appears on the dialogue where she admits she was tempted to break in just to see Shepard.
Since that dialogue is romance exclusive, that reference is romance exclusive.

Since we're on the topic, that is actually something they got right. Miranda choosing to not contact Shepard while he was at Earth for his own protection is so appropriate for Miranda. It's basically a retelling of the choice at the end of her ME2 LM.

jtav wrote...
 And I wouldn't mind if Miranda went out in a blaze of glory. Imagine this: Shepard arrives to find Leng kneeling over a dying Miranda. He taunts her with being an obsolete fool defeated by the new order, "Defeated? (notices Shep, smiles) I won. You...just don't know it yet." Shepard chases Leng away. Miranda reveals the tracer. "Told him I won." The defiance is key.

We already have the scenarion where Miranda plants a tracer on Leng. A few words of defiance are not worth a forced death.
Those words of defiance should have been present, along with her, at the Cronos Station.

Skullheart wrote...
And Mordin? I was able to create a cure with his replacement. Maelon's cure was destroyed, so I don't know if he can save Eve with the data.

If you kept Maelon's data back in ME2, Eve lives.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Those words of defiance should have been present, along with her, at the Cronos Station.

Bingo  

If Miranda comes along to the base, her survival feels like much less of an after-thought, her focus shifts back to where it should be after saving Oriana, everything is much more satisfying. Ideally, you would get some war assets out of her participation, but even Miranda just being there to finish Cerberus (along with some appropriate reflections on where it all went wrong), would be miles better than what we have.

Modifié par flemm, 23 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[MisterJB]

Also, it should totally be called Tartarus Station.
Cronos is greek mythology but that's the extent of its association with Cerberus.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

For some reason, when I entered the room where TIM sat in ME2, I was in...awe. I finally stepped into this mysterious place. I mostly thought of the Opening of ME2.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I mostly thought of the Opening of ME2.

Yes, it harkens back to that, which is one reason why it makes so much sense for Miranda to be there.

[Degs29]

Anyone else think Miranda should have been much more influential in bringing down Cerberus in ME3?  I was thinking she would be running her own anti-Cerberus group using all the resources she had accumulated during the years she worked with TIM.  But instead, it was just Orianna again.  I mean, Tali made Admiral; Garrus was helping lead the Turians against the Reapers, Ashley eventually achieved Spectre status, and even Jacob was playing a role dividing Cerberus.  But Miranda was just after her sister<_<.  I was alteast hoping she'd kill Kai Leng....

[MisterJB]

Yeah, first time we see Miranda, she is on that room. And now that Shepard is actually on that room, she isn't there.

Wish we could have seen Miranda sitting on Harper's chair.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

flemm wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I mostly thought of the Opening of ME2.

Yes, it harkens back to that, which is one reason why it makes so much sense for Miranda to be there.

Could you imagine that if she did come with us there, she would decide to stay there? Could you imagine a sort of LOTSB-Type Mission where we go to that base and she Takes over (Like Liara becoming the Shadow Broker), so that you can go back and Visit anytime you want, instead of having the Mission as it is now? You can also convince her to join you to take back Earth. That would be interesting.

Too bad we couldn't have Two Missions, or ONE BIG Mission with Miri: First Sanctuary, then the Cerberus Base.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[flemm]

Degs29 wrote...

Anyone else think Miranda should have been much more influential in bringing down Cerberus in ME3?  I was thinking she would be running her own anti-Cerberus group using all the resources she had accumulated during the years she worked with TIM.  But instead, it was just Orianna again.  I mean, Tali made Admiral; Garrus was helping lead the Turians against the Reapers, Ashley eventually achieved Spectre status, and even Jacob was playing a role dividing Cerberus.  But Miranda was just after her sister<_<.  I was alteast hoping she'd kill Kai Leng....

A lot of us wanted to see something much more along the lines of what you are describing.

Modifié par flemm, 23 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Cricket

Joker: So what exactly does the Catalyst do?

Shepard: It's apparently the control system for the Crucible. The device generates huge amounts of energy but it needs the Catalyst to tell it what to do with it.

Miranda: The Illusive Man thinks that he can use the device as a massive transmitter for the Reaper control signal Cerberus developed, though its highly unlikely that a weapon designed to destroy the Reapers could be used to control them.

Joker: So it isn't as simple as "to destroy the Reapers press 1"  "to control the Reapers press 2"?

Miranda: Don't be absurd, this is a highly advanced weapon of mass destruction.

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
"to destroy the Reapers press 1"  "to control the Reapers press 2"?

lol Doc. You know what that sounds like though right?

"Welcome to Galactic Emergency Hotline. Due to a higher than normal volume of calls all of our agents are currently indoctrinated. Please stay on the line you call will be harversted in priority sequence. Please note that this call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes."

*hold musak*

[cg8900]

I love how its shepard who stays positive in the goodbye talk but I was wondering... they never made shep promise miranda (in me3), something he couldn't keep. they were always very realistic with each other, so to say. why would shep make a promise like that in the end if he didn't intend to keep it.

edit: well he did intend to keep it , but he knew the chances weren't that high

Modifié par cg8900, 23 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[flemm]

cg8900 wrote...

I love how its shepard who stays positive in the goodbye talk but I was wondering... they never made shep promise miranda (in me3), something he couldn't keep. they were always very honest with each other, so to say. why would shep make a promise like that in the end if he didn't intend to keep it.

Well, I guess he probably intended to. I mean, how could he foresee what lay ahead?

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, I guess he probably intended to. I mean, how could he foresee what lay ahead?

Indeed how could any of us?

[cg8900]

flemm wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

I love how its shepard who stays positive in the goodbye talk but I was wondering... they never made shep promise miranda (in me3), something he couldn't keep. they were always very honest with each other, so to say. why would shep make a promise like that in the end if he didn't intend to keep it.

Well, I guess he probably intended to. I mean, how could he foresee what lay ahead?

yes he did intend to keep it  I know he did , but he knew the chances weren't that high ...

I think my question was intented more towards the writes I guess, why did they make shep promise

Modifié par cg8900, 23 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Mr Plow]

Why couldn't surviving Miranda tell Shepard she loves him when saying the final holo goodbye?  I know some folks would say well it is unspoken and not needed but I would have preferred it. Still emotional distance of some sort/fear of vulnerability? 

I wonder whether she would regret not saying it later given what happens

Then again she may have said it repeatedly at the apartment

[flemm]

cg8900 wrote...
yes he did intend to keep it  I know he did , but he knew the chances weren't that high ...

I think my question was intented more towards the writes I guess, why did they make shep promise

Good question. I guess the line was written more in the context of the romance than the rest of the story. Shep won't promise initially, later Miranda won't, then Shep won't again, then finally they promise.

[jtav]

The promises aren't romance exclusive, except for the one on Sanctuary.

And of course he kept his promise. How could it be otherwise?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Mr Plow wrote...

Why couldn't surviving Miranda tell Shepard she loves him when saying the final holo goodbye?  I know some folks would say well it is unspoken and not needed but I would have preferred it. Still emotional distance of some sort/fear of vulnerability? 

I wonder whether she would regret not saying it later given what happens

Then again she may have said it repeatedly at the apartment

You don't have to say "I Love You" to know it already. I LOVE the Survival Scenario. Miri and I do NOT have to say "I Love You" to know. I can hear it in Miri's voice that I know that she loves me, and she hears it in My Voice. I know for sure that Miri DOES have Common Sense. W both know enough because we hear it in our Voices:wub:.

DON'T even try to tell me that I'm wrong, because it is MY Preference!

I'm Serious. It's like some  of you think that her death is the only way to be satisfied. For you, maybe, but not for me.<_<<_<<_<<_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[cg8900]

well if you don't romance miranda, isn't she the one that makes you the promise? shep making the promise to her, is romance exclusive .....maybe that was suppose to give us closure to their romance

[Ieldra]

@Crutch re: your long post
I swear if anyone mentions this abomination of a scenario again in this thread I'll explode. It's like a cancer spreading everywhere. Kill it with nuclear fire! No, with an exploding mass relay. Totally unmake it and throw all of its proponents in an asylum to the end of their days.

(Admittely your version is slightly less objectionable than the original. So.....an antimatter bomb will do)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mars 2012 - 08:11 .