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[jtav]

Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Crutch re: your long post
I swear if anyone mentions this abomination of a scenario again in this thread I'll explode. It's like a cancer spreading everywhere. Kill it with nuclear fire! No, with an exploding mass relay. Totally unmake it and throw all of its proponents in an asylum to the end of their days.

(Admittely your version is slightly less objectionable than the original. So.....an antimatter bomb will do)

Uhm... ok? Maybe I missed something. Which scenario deserves the leveling of a solar system? And how does my scenario play into it?

[cg8900]

jtav wrote...

Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

good point, never thought of that.....too bad shep dies in this end

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

Yeah the same way firing an anti-air missle in a garage will kill the bugs infesting it. It's still convoluted, ridiculous and competely unnecessary.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

The promises aren't romance exclusive, except for the one on Sanctuary.

Yes, but I think that is probably more a symptom of the fact that most of Miranda's role, except for the part where she is killed, is written with the romance in mind.

It reduces the number of lines if you just write the dialogues for the romance, then variants only where there is something that absolutely *can't* work outside of the romance.

Modifié par flemm, 23 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[Skullheart]

In my headcanon synthesis cured her condition. It also gave her a surprise when Shepard's was spreaded across the galaxy...

[MalcomParador]

I'm sorry if this has been asked, i was looking for it in SEARCH, but can't find a good keyword.

I'm a mass effect 2/3 player, and romanced miranda.

I never get her in my picture frame on the desk.. Did i forget to do something? or does she not appear?

Thanks

[D.Shepard]

I started the mission on Horizon.
What should I do the keep Miranda alive?

I already warned her about Leng and I gave her Alliance resources during the "intimate" scene on Citadel.
What have I to do during Horizon mission?

I read we have to use the renegade interrupt while dealing with her father.

Thanks for the assistance.

[Skullheart]

MalcomParador wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been asked, i was looking for it in SEARCH, but can't find a good keyword.

I'm a mass effect 2/3 player, and romanced miranda.

I never get her in my picture frame on the desk.. Did i forget to do something? or does she not appear?

Thanks

There isn't any picture for her on Shepard desk. None of the sidelined romances has much content anyway.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Uhm... ok? Maybe I missed something. Which scenario deserves the leveling of a solar system? And how does my scenario play into it?

I hate the indoctrination hypothesis, any scenario including it deserves to be destroyed with the utmost prejudice down to the subatomic level. And now, PLEASE keep this thing out of this thread. I'm already getting paranoid..

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

Yep. my Synthesis scenario would do that, as a collateral benefit. Also, regular pregnancies would still be possible though other options become available.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

Yep. my Synthesis scenario would do that, as a collateral benefit. Also, regular pregnancies would still be possible though other options become available.

it should do but it did not fix Jokers brittle bone disease considering he was still walking like he did whenever we saw him walking before it

[MisterJB]

cg8900 wrote...
yes he did intend to keep it  I know he did , but he knew the chances weren't that high ...

I think my question was intented more towards the writes I guess, why did they make shep promise

Well, the answer I think is that, since ME2, Shepard and Miranda's romance has been playing with promises.
The whole game has them avoiding it and then, right before the end of all things, Shepard finally promises. It's meant to be emotionally impactful.
It could also be that up to that point they were being realistic with each but now, Miranda was being pessimistic so, he decided to be optimistic.

Of course, my favorite, and completely mad, explanation is that, up until that point, Miranda has asked him to promise things he couldn't. For example, "Promise me you'll be careful."
This time it was something that he could promise. He couldn't promise that he would be careful or that he would survive but he could promise that, no matter what, he would find her.
And that fill my quota of corniness for the week.

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[jtav]

It's corny, but it practically begs for him to defy death to come back to her, doesn't it?

[TomY90]

MisterJB wrote...

cg8900 wrote...
yes he did intend to keep it  I know he did , but he knew the chances weren't that high ...

I think my question was intented more towards the writes I guess, why did they make shep promise

Well, the answer I think is that, since ME2, Shepard and Miranda's romance has been playing with promises.
The whole game has them avoiding it and then, right before the end of all things, Shepard finally promises. It's meant to be emotionally impactful.
It could also be that up to that point they were being realistic with each but now, Miranda was being pessimistic so, he decided to be optimistic.

Of course, my favorite, and completely mad, explanation is that, up until that point, Miranda has asked him to promise things he couldn't. For example, "Promise me you'll be careful."
This time it was something that he could promise. He couldn't promise that he would be careful or that he would survive but he could promise that, no matter what, he would find her.
And that fill my quota of corniness for the week.

I do admit it was the best scene from what I have seen with your LI on the vid comms by far especially Jacks which was pretty much survive this because i want to get laid

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
It's corny, but it practically begs for him to defy death to come back to her, doesn't it?

Of course. It's no surprise several people have the same idea. For once, I don't mind a little cheesiness. There has been enough darkness.

[Babi_Siha]

jtav wrote...

Have you guys considered that Synthesis could resolve Miranda's infertility, assuming pregnancy even works that way any longer?

I don't know why the infertility problem is such a big deal. Seriously, she brought a person back from the dead, reconstructed Shepard pratically from scratch, how hard can it be treat her problem? Given the technology they have, I think it's very simple. And worst case scenario, she probably still has her eggs, just can't carry a child, they can use a surrogate or, though I don't think Miranda would approve, create the child the same way it was done for Miranda using her eggs and Shepard's sperm cells.

[flemm]

Babi_Siha wrote...
I don't know why the infertility problem is such a big deal. Seriously, she brought a person back from the dead, reconstructed Shepard pratically from scratch, how hard can it be treat her problem?

Well, it shouldn't be a big deal. Easily cured, or easily circumvented. By Miranda herself in all likelihood, as you say.

But really, why was it introduced in the first place? If I were to attempt to trace the long line of stupid back to its origins, I guess there were probably a few things involved.

1) A narrow-minded morality tale about how genetic engineering must be inherently bad, i.e. Miranda must be fundamentally flawed in some way because of her origins. An offensive idea in itself, of course.

2) Problem: being infertile isn't really an objective "flaw." It only matters if the individual really cares about having children more than anything else. Which Miranda doesn't in ME2, in particular. So, you have to introduce the idea that all Miranda wants is a normal life and kids all of a sudden. This is a sexist cliché, obviously (the driven, idealistic woman who, deep-down, just needs to discover that all she really wanted to be was a wife and mother all along, and can't be happy without that.) Note: this does not mean that Miranda shouldn't want to be a mother, but it shouldn't mean she abandons her other priorities, nor should it be the end all and be all.

3) Miranda could easily cure/circumvent her own infertility. This glaring fact just has to be ignored for any of the above to work.

4) At some point it was decided that Miranda's main role in ME3 was going to be that of victim, so by adding the idea that Miranda only really wants the one thing she can't have, you can make the death scene more sadder by invoking the infertility at that point (it's the only time it's referenced even indirectly).

I'm not sure I've covered all the many layers of stupid.

But that's some of them anyway

Modifié par flemm, 24 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[flemm]

D.Shepard wrote...

I started the mission on Horizon.
What should I do the keep Miranda alive?

I already warned her about Leng and I gave her Alliance resources during the "intimate" scene on Citadel.
What have I to do during Horizon mission?

I read we have to use the renegade interrupt while dealing with her father.

Thanks for the assistance.

Using the interrupt or one of the Persuade options should allow Miranda to survive, given everything else you've described there.

[jtav]

flemm just stated my problem with the infertility more eloquently than I could.

[jtav]

I'd also add that the dossier both made Miranda more pitiable and nudged romancers to dump her.

[Richard 060]

The problem with the whole infertility thing, anyway? Miranda herself.

In other words, genetically engineered offspring.

If it's possible to artificially create a child from only one parent's genetic material (duplicated to create a female variant on Henry Lawson's, in this specific case), how difficult would it be to use the same sort of cloning techniques to implant a healthy ovum with Miranda's DNA, and fertilise that, possibly resorting to a surrogate mother to give birth to the child?

Heck, we can technically do most (if not all) of that NOW. As posted up-thread, compared to Project Lazarus, it's practically first aid...


(honestly, between things like this and the 'synthesis'/evolution bull***t, I really worry that at least one person in the Mass Effect writing team really, REALLY doesn't have any idea of how the principles of biology work...)

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Uhm... ok? Maybe I missed something. Which scenario deserves the leveling of a solar system? And how does my scenario play into it?

I hate the indoctrination hypothesis, any scenario including it deserves to be destroyed with the utmost prejudice down to the subatomic level. And now, PLEASE keep this thing out of this thread. I'm already getting paranoid..

I agree with Ieldra 100% on this. 

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Oh, yeah. If Cerberus were still gray, having a Batman/Catwoman dynamic could have been fun. Miranda would make a fantastic boss fight, and they could actually show her as a femme fatale. Maybe she charmed Shep into getting her past C-Sec and pulled off the assassination without a hitch.

Resurfacing this just to present an idea.

If Cerberus were still gray and there was an option for Shepard to work with them, Miranda could have presented different solutions to much of what TIM does in the game.
For example, rather than assassinate the Council and shoot everyone who gets in the way which would be what Kai Leng/TIM would want to do, Miranda could have given Shepard the option of performing a bloodless coup, have the Council arrested by Cerberus troops thus giving humans control of the Citadel without any unnecessary casualties.