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[pyro_technician]

Alessar1288 wrote...

pyro_technician wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

LuxDragon? He used to post here...though I suppose he's too busy with schoolwork and playing ME3

Yeah, I used to post  here waaay back in the day when we first started these threads, (the old LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE threads)  that's how I found out about LuxDragon. But college pulled me away from the forums, and since I'm taking a lesser load this year it's nice to be back on this thread. 

I really liked luxdragons fan fiction, kinda bummed when he stopped updating it.

Well to be fair he does write massive chapters and puts great amounts of detail and time in everything, but I know that he used to post here sometimes so I was womdering if hw was still around.

[Skullheart]

I readed his fic, but he stopped updating since december. I thing he got addicted to TOR.

[pyro_technician]

Skullheart wrote...

I readed his fic, but he stopped updating since december. I thing he got addicted to TOR.

...many have fallen to the TORtanic 

[Dr. Doctor]

TOR's not that great of an MMO, but the single player story is great. I play as an Imperial Agent and it feels like they took our wishlist for Miranda in ME3 and put it in to TOR, at times it feels like my character is channeling Miranda:

"We've all committed terrible acts. That doesn't mean we should die for them."

"Imperial Intelligence is gone, and Cipher Nine is dead. From now on, we choose our own fate."

[Ieldra]

TomY90 wrote...
I won't be surprised if Bioware want to do a DLC mission with Miranda considering the popularity ratings are showing that she is the most popular non squad mate character in ME3 by quite a distance.

She is? Not that it would surprise me, but where did you get that information?

but unsure on where they can go with Miranda's story except after ME3's ending which is very debatable on where that will go.

I don't think there will be post-ending DLC. Even less with Miranda who will be dead in half of all games. I think the only possible Miranda-centered DLC would feature an extra mission or two fleshing out her pre-Sanctuary story. That would be playable for those 91% of games where she's alive in ME3.

[Ieldra]

pyro_technician wrote...

jtav wrote...
And if I were novelizing ME, Miranda would get a much bigger role. Make her not just rejected by her father, but actively denied her birthright. She'd get an entire subplot about confronting Henry. The last we'd see of her is sitting behind his desk. The king is dead. Long live the queen.

I'd pay money to read this

Me, too. I'm beginning to resent the limits of video games as a storytelling medium. In novels parallel story arcs that show elements of the world like a tapestry are commonplace. TV shows can do it, too. Movies and video games, not so much.

Perhaps it would be better to make a TV show from ME, like they're doing with A Song of Ice and Fire. 

[ThomGau]

Me too, I'd gladly pay to see such great things.
A novel would be the best medium in my opinion.
It's true that video games are not that great when it comes to deeply flesh out a story or a character, the necessity of having a decent amount of good gameplay prevents the developpers from doing so completely imo. Even though games like MGS or ME seem to do relatively well in that department (yet we all saw what happened to some characters and plots in ME3).

Modifié par ThomGau, 28 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[TomY90]

I used to think that for stories RPG games were really hard to beat because you get a story with similar amount of detail you get as a book but you feel much more part of the world.

but now I feel that RPG's are starting to slip on this matter and putting too much into the gameplay and graphics rather than the actual story and character development.

I would probably buy a book that expanded the Miranda story considering she has a really unsual back story considering she has no mum only a father who wanted a daughter for his own selfish reasons.

and having a rough upbringing with huge expectations thrown at her throughout her life, as well the burden of her genetics that makes it that she should be better than everyone else but she does not actually feel she is human.

Modifié par TomY90, 28 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Asakawa]

I'd be fine with another interactive comic if there ever was some pos game content or anything that would have Shepard and some sort of decision making involved

[greenevil1979]

Don't see a Miri DLC being too much of a problem...... Shep could always take her body back to the station where he was brought back to life. (We never saw that get destoryed and who knows what could have happened to the station in that time?) After all his/her body was in a worse condition. Just a thought to throw out there. But as much as I would love to see Miri back on my crew I hate to say I can't see it happening at the moment. (I live and dream with hope though.)

[KingG528]

I could never get Miranda killed. I saw her romanced death scene though, fuggin sad.

[greenevil1979]

I agree KingG, I couldn't do a play through if Miri died. Even if it meant reloading to much early time.

[CrutchCricket]

Asakawa wrote...
Miranda <-> Yvonne
Period.

This may be true in a pure logical or formulaic sense- Miranda and Yvonne are indeed not the same person. But I would argue those who want to see her recast care less about the character and more about the sum of its parts.

I've been here for over a thousand pages but most of the regulars go even farther back. And all this time we've been going on and on about her professional side vs her personal side, her goals, her abilities, her origins etc. And if you were to ask "what makes you like Miranda?" you'd probably get some of the above things listed, often with a marked emphasis on the professional side. Which is all well and good but if that's all you like then by rights you would like any other character that has the same traits (perhaps provided they have no other unsavory traits).

Enter Melissa, a woman that's similar to Miranda. She's also genetically engineered, hates her father, wants to help her species. Good with biotics, excellent operative and scientist, joins a shady organization then turns against them when they go too shady. Hell for simplicity's sake, let's just say she's a clone, created by the same process, possessing the same skills and outlook, also joining Cerberus under a deeply held belief in the betterment of humanity and later rejecting them when they go off the deep end. So I ask you is there any reason to prefer Miranda over this hypothetical Melissa?

If you answer no, then I would say it's not Miranda you love but her combined backstory and reputation which if you apply to any blank slate or character lacking other traits you find repugnant, would result in the same thing for you.

Which is all well and good, really. I'm not judging. But Mass Effect is a rare fiction that makes you (or at least me) care about the characters as more than that. They almost feel like real people, something more than just a bunch of traits on a page. So when I and any who agree with me say "I like Miranda" we're not just saying we like a competent genetically engineered operative working for a shady organization. We're saying we like Miranda. ALL of her. And that includes how she looks and sounds. So no you can't just recast her, have her sound different with absolutely no explanation and try to pass her off as the same character. Because as far as I'm concerned then you might as well give me Melissa and I'll see if I like her as much.

Personally I'm against recasting in any form at any time and in any medium because it completely breaks immersion for me if I get someone completely different saying they're X and everyone else just going along with it.

So to summarize: Miranda is not Yvonne (and vice versa), this is true. But Miranda without Yvonne is not Miranda either.

Asakawa, I am not singling you out with this. I'm simply quoting you because you expressed this common sentiment in a way that worked best for my purposes.

On the movie: I myself recommended Olivia Wilde as a replacement for Yvonne Strahovski to play Miranda. I still think she could do it if she can get the accent right. But the key word is replacement. If Yvonne is available, there can be no other. As for movie Miranda and her fate, I see the strategy of killing her off for drama, but I don't believe that's set in stone. flemm hit it on the head I think with her and Shepard surviving and everyone else dying. Besides I doubt movies would bother with a "true love that doesn't show up in part 2 but returns in part 3" thing. Too complicated. If anything out of sight is out of mind in typical moviegoes minds which means Miranda would be a full leading lady in part 2.

[Dr. Doctor]

With the ME movie I'm hoping that they use the same CG that they used in the ME3 launch trailer. That way you could have the characters look like the characters from the game without trying to cast lookalikes. However, Legendary Pictures has said that the movie won't be based on the games. I'd really like a First Contact War movie.

I'm not opposed to the concept of having a different actress voice Miranda. Strahovski is always going to be the "iconic" voice of Ms. Lawson but having a different actor opens up the possibility to get a different take on the character. Sort of like Mark Hamill's take on the Joker in the Batman animated series and Heath Ledger's  The Dark Knight both actors play the same character but both actors bring out their own interpretation.

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'm not opposed to the concept of having a different actress voice Miranda. Strahovski is always going to be the "iconic" voice of Ms. Lawson but having a different actor opens up the possibility to get a different take on the character. Sort of like Mark Hamill's take on the Joker in the Batman animated series and Heath Ledger's  The Dark Knight both actors play the same character but both actors bring out their own interpretation.

For a movie adaptation, yeah that would be acceptable because a different medium might be grounds for a "different interpretation". But recasting and adapting are not the same thing. I can accept the latter but not the former.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Enter Melissa, a woman that's similar to Miranda. She's also genetically engineered, hates her father, wants to help her species. Good with biotics, excellent operative and scientist, joins a shady organization then turns against them when they go too shady. Hell for simplicity's sake, let's just say she's a clone, created by the same process, possessing the same skills and outlook, also joining Cerberus under a deeply held belief in the betterment of humanity and later rejecting them when they go off the deep end. So I ask you is there any reason to prefer Miranda over this hypothetical Melissa?

If you answer no, then I would say it's not Miranda you love but her combined backstory and reputation which if you apply to any blank slate or character lacking other traits you find repugnant, would result in the same thing for you.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning there. Miranda is a character after all. A set of ideas, images, words. If the same character had been called Melissa, I'd probably like that character a lot, too. That means I like the ideas and traits that make up the character, which are more important than the name. That doesn't mean I want to change the name. But... it's just the name. Hell, "Miranda Lawson" could just be a code name (probably should have been).

Strahovski is who I want to hear playing the role. But it's excessive to claim that not being opposed to a recast means that person somehow likes the character less. It just means the emphasis is different, as to where the attachment lies.  

[kookie28]

CrutchCricket and Dr. Doctor both have good points. But I have to say that I wouldn't like Miranda as much or feel attached to her if Yvonne was not the one playing her.
I very much agree with you here, CrutchCricket.

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

For a movie adaptation, yeah that would be acceptable because a different medium might be grounds for a "different interpretation". But recasting and adapting are not the same thing. I can accept the latter but not the former.

For me it would really depend on how they handled the recast. The change from Michael Beattie to William Salyers as the voice of Mordin was somewhat noticable but it was still a very good performance in my opinion. To me the change in writer from Weekes to Walters was more of a disappointment in my opinion. Walters is very good at doing over the top stories and actions scenes, but that's not the best course of action for all narratives.

For instance, Mac Walters' work with John Jackson Miller in Invasion is one of the best ME stories I've read. The overarching plot is action-packed in Walters' usual style but having Miller writing the dialogue really gave depth to the characters especially Oleg Petrovsky.

[Td1984]

greenevil1979 wrote...

Don't see a Miri DLC being too much of a problem...... Shep could always take her body back to the station where he was brought back to life. (We never saw that get destoryed and who knows what could have happened to the station in that time?) After all his/her body was in a worse condition. Just a thought to throw out there. But as much as I would love to see Miri back on my crew I hate to say I can't see it happening at the moment. (I live and dream with hope though.)

The mission review after that mission mentioned that TIM had it blown up to destroy any evidence.

Quote (per MEWiki)

Shepard escaped attack on facility, along with operatives Taylor and Lawson. Facility destroyed by remote detonation. Salvage teams will ensure no incriminating data survived. Per Miranda's recommendation, I'm running security sweeps on the other cells to ensure that Wilson was our only mole. Regardless of the cost, Lazarus was a success. Shepard is back. 

Modifié par Td1984, 28 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
Strahovski is who I want to hear playing the role. But it's excessive to claim that not being opposed to a recast means that person somehow likes the character less. It just means the emphasis is different, as to where the attachment lies.  

Exactly. It's not that I don't want Strahovski to reprise her role as Miranda, or that I'm indifferent to a recast. It's just that if the VA is the only thing that would prevent more Miranda content, in an expansion or a DLC, then I'd take a replacement VA over not getting any more Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[TheMarshal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Me, too. I'm beginning to resent the limits of video games as a storytelling medium. In novels parallel story arcs that show elements of the world like a tapestry are commonplace. TV shows can do it, too. Movies and video games, not so much.

Perhaps it would be better to make a TV show from ME, like they're doing with A Song of Ice and Fire. 

Video games offer a level of engagement - in the form of customization - that other mediums don't.  Obviously that customization comes with its limits, as Bioware has shown over and over again with their railroading varying decisions down a single path.  I don't know that I would be quite as engaged with Shepard's story if I were following it in another medium because I've gotten so involved in my Shepard's story.

With Miranda and the other squaddies, though...  I think there's major untapped potential for backstory, sidestory, etc.  I'd read the hell out of a Miranda novel, provided she was characterized the way jtav and some others have written her.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning there. Miranda is a character after all. A set of ideas, images, words. If the same character had been called Melissa, I'd probably like that character a lot, too. That means I like the ideas and traits that make up the character, which are more important than the name. That doesn't mean I want to change the name. But... it's just the name. Hell, "Miranda Lawson" could just be a code name (probably should have been).

Strahovski is who I want to hear playing the role. But it's excessive to claim that not being opposed to a recast means that person somehow likes the character less. It just means the emphasis is different, as to where the attachment lies.  

No, the point was that if a character has traits x y and z that you like then they can be replaced with any other character that also has x y and z and, as long as they didn't have any other traits you disliked, you wouldn't care. I'm talking about separate hypotheticals, not just names.

I do not hold to that view but argue that you do, if you actively want a recast. There are of course people that don't care as much one way or another and I wouldn't go so far as to say this applies to them. But saying "I want to see more Miranda with traits x y and z and I want her recast to do so" is in my opinion just saying "I want to see more x y and z" because the rest doesn't matter.

[Ieldra]

@CrutchCricket,
I don't recall anyone saying that they actively want a recast. You're attacking a strawman. Personally, I agree with you that Strahovski's voice acting gives Miranda something unique not easily replaceable. But as I said, I'd take a recast if it meant getting more Miranda if otherwise I wouldn't.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Asakawa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Asakawa wrote...
Miranda <-> Yvonne
Period.

Long post that i wont reply here =x

you got it so wrong what i meant, but anyway. I'm not saying they are the same person, of course not! 
But it's like casting a new batman begins series movie without Christian Bale. Or casting a new X-Men movie without Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Or Rocky without Stallone.

They are not the characters, but they fit for the characters in the big screen.