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[Caihn]

No compromise.
Removing one thing that define Miranda (including her VA) is not something that should be considered.
Stop giving stupid ideas to Bioware. Fans should talk about what they want to have, not what they would accept to sacrifice (especially if other fans don't accept this sacrifice).

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Modifié par Yannkee, 28 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@CrutchCricket,
I don't recall anyone saying that they actively want a recast. You're attacking a strawman. Personally, I agree with you that Strahovski's voice acting gives Miranda something unique not easily replaceable. But as I said, I'd take a recast if it meant getting more Miranda if otherwise I wouldn't.

And I'm saying all or nothing (at least for on-screen presence). Of course no one has said "I want Miranda recast". I wouldn't even dignify that with a response. But even "sacrificing" one aspect over another is a slippery slope. Perhaps no one actively wants a recast. But some of you reactively want one. And I think the question of "why not Melissa then?" would still apply in that situation.

Asakawa wrote...
you got it so wrong what i meant, but anyway. I'm not saying they are the same person, of course not! 
Butit's like casting a new batman begins series movie without Christian Bale. Or casting a new X-Men movie without Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Or Rocky without Stallone.

They are not the characters, but they fit for the characters in the big screen.

Not sure what you mean here or how I "got it wrong". I'll just reiterate my point with my nice summary line:

Miranda is not Yvonne (and vice versa), this is true. But Miranda without Yvonne is not Miranda either.

Your examples are rather skewed as two of them are comic book heroes which necessarily puts you in adaptation territory. Adaptations are a whole different animal. But your third example plays it straight. Yes Rocky wouldn't be Rocky without Stallone. If they remake Rocky, the movie, that's technically an adaptation and the character will obviously be played by someone different and likely will be different from the original.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 28 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[ThomGau]

Agreed Yannkee.
I prefered when we talked about what we want for Miranda instead of sacrifices, I hate compromises

Nice pic BTW

Modifié par ThomGau, 28 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[cg8900]

Yannkee wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

just watched some vids of yvonne's fight scenes on chuck and now I can't stop thinking about her playing miranda on a mass effect movie.......I would pay to watch that regardless the end

Yeah, she could make most of the action scenes herself.
But this kind of scene is also one of the reason why I think she could be perfect for the role : 

you're right, this scene is awesome!! reminds me of miranda!! 

[Lawrence0294]

Yannkee wrote...

No compromise.
Removing one thing that define Miranda (including her VA) is not something that should be considered.
Stop giving stupid ideas to Bioware. Fans should talk about what they want to have, not what they would accept to sacrifice (especially if other fans don't accept this sacrifice).

edit :
New page, new pic

W ow thats a great pic yankee:happy:

[Dr. Doctor]

Listening to Henry Lawson's logs during the Sanctuary mission makes it almost seem like he disagreed with how TIM wanted the project to be run.

"This is assembly line science, repetition is doing most of the thinking for us but discovery happens at a pace."

Lawson doesn't seem to disapprove of turning refugees into husks, but it seems like doing the same experiment over and over again expecting for the answer to suddenly appear isn't his style.

[Lawrence0294]

Hey do you guys think that with the dlc about the ending, we might get an epilogue and maybe scenes with miri and shepard?

[TheMarshal]

cg8900 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

just watched some vids of yvonne's fight scenes on chuck and now I can't stop thinking about her playing miranda on a mass effect movie.......I would pay to watch that regardless the end

Yeah, she could make most of the action scenes herself.
But this kind of scene is also one of the reason why I think she could be perfect for the role : 

you're right, this scene is awesome!! reminds me of miranda!! 

Seriously!  Where was THAT Miranda in my game?

[jtav]

Like I said, he's what Miranda would be if she lacked any capacity for love. Which makes him my favorite new character.

[MisterJB]

How many things that used to define Miranda were removed in ME3?
If we have to sacrifice one single aspect in order to get all those back, I call it a good deal.
Miranda would want us to think of the greater good. Not everyone can be saved, blah blah blah.

[Melra]

Nothing of value was lost.

[Caihn]

kratos0294 wrote...

Hey do you guys think that with the dlc about the ending, we might get an epilogue and maybe scenes with miri and shepard?

I wish every LI could have a some closure/reunion scenes, but I fear it won't be the purpose of this DLC.

[jtav]

Nothing of value? They came extremely close to gutting the character. None of the brilliance, passion for a cause, or hardness that made me fall for her. Pretending those things are there still is the only reason Matt hasn't run off to Kaidan.

[Lawrence0294]

Yannkee wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Hey do you guys think that with the dlc about the ending, we might get an epilogue and maybe scenes with miri and shepard?

I wish every LI could have a some closure/reunion scenes, but I fear it won't be the purpose of this DLC.

I guess, we can still hope though since the lack of closure was one of the biggest complaints of the ending

[KingG528]

Yannkee wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Hey do you guys think that with the dlc about the ending, we might get an epilogue and maybe scenes with miri and shepard?

I wish every LI could have a some closure/reunion scenes, but I fear it won't be the purpose of this DLC.

While it may not have anything to do with the ending dlc, I dont see any reason (besides production etc etc) why bioware wouldnt want to do this. Hell I would buy it in a heartbeat.

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

Nothing of value? They came extremely close to gutting the character. None of the brilliance, passion for a cause, or hardness that made me fall for her. Pretending those things are there still is the only reason Matt hasn't run off to Kaidan.

No they didn't, that's just your opinion as usual. In my opinion the character was the same that I learned to appreciate in the second game. Maybe your headcanoning is just catching up to you now.

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

How many things that used to define Miranda were removed in ME3?
If we have to sacrifice one single aspect in order to get all those back, I call it a good deal.
Miranda would want us to think of the greater good. Not everyone can be saved, blah blah blah.

Bull****.
The only thing Bioware will see is an opportunity to remove somthing else. The same thing they did when they have seen that some fans wouldn't mind to sacrifice her squadmate status if she has a large role ... result : she isn't a squadmate and her role is ridiculous.

[MisterJB]

First, blamming... what? Four or five fans? It's nonsensical to claim that Miranda's role was caused by this handfull of fans rather than: time constraints, budget, less popularity than other characters, someone wanting to remove any hints of grey morality from Cerberus, etc.

And hey, guess what, her role is nowhere near as good as we had hoped; it's certainly not on pair with Mordin's or Legion's; and Miranda is barely recognizable; to use CC's argument, we got Melissa instead of Miranda; but it's still better than Garrus or Vega who do nothing the entire game.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
And hey, guess what, her role is nowhere near as good as we had hoped; it's certainly not on pair with Mordin's or Legion's; and Miranda is barely recognizable; to use CC's argument, we got Melissa instead of Miranda; but it's still better than Garrus or Vega who do nothing the entire game.

lol not quite JB. Melissa is everything Miranda is but doesn't look and sound like her. What you're describing would be... Melanie.

But in all seriousness, even in the most charitable reading of it, there are aspects missing or at the very least "not visible". I'm not prepared to say they amputated them from the character but the presentation is quite skewed.

[Raizo]

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

Nothing of value? They came extremely close to gutting the character. None of the brilliance, passion for a cause, or hardness that made me fall for her. Pretending those things are there still is the only reason Matt hasn't run off to Kaidan.

No they didn't, that's just your opinion as usual. In my opinion the character was the same that I learned to appreciate in the second game. Maybe your headcanoning is just catching up to you now.

I more or less agree with Melrache although it would be nice if Miranda had showed more interest in the Reaper invasion of Earth and the possibly destruction of all of Galactic civilisation. The fact that her only real concern is for her sister going missing is a bit of an injustice to her character. 

[Raizo]

kratos0294 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

No compromise.
Removing one thing that define Miranda (including her VA) is not something that should be considered.
Stop giving stupid ideas to Bioware. Fans should talk about what they want to have, not what they would accept to sacrifice (especially if other fans don't accept this sacrifice).

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New page, new pic

W ow thats a great pic yankee:happy:

I like.

[jtav]

ME3 Miranda is concerned with Oriana to an extent that I'd suggest she was mentally ill if I were trying to make sense of the character on her own terms. I find her utterly contemptible and pathetic, not at all a fit partner for Shep. I get around that mostly by sticking my fingers in my ears and reinserting ME2 Miranda with ME3 providing romance content.

[flemm]

Raizo wrote...

The fact that her only real concern is for her sister going missing is a bit of an injustice to her character. 

This. It's really not all that complicated. I'd like the whole character, not just one aspect.

Yannkee wrote...
No compromise.
Removing one thing that define Miranda (including her VA) is not something that should be considered.
Stop giving stupid ideas to Bioware. Fans should talk about what they want to have, not what they would accept to sacrifice (especially if other fans don't accept this sacrifice).

Agreed on this point as well.

Nice pic, by the way.

Modifié par flemm, 28 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[DDock]

Just wanted to jump i here and state my love for Miranda and my disappointment in her role as well as her goodbye in my game. I was really hoping for at least a ME2 Liara type mission at Cerberus where she is a temporary squadmate. Seems completely reasonable to me. In fact I really wish most of the ME2 characters had similar treatments for missions that concerned them (Thane in the Citadel mission, Jacob at the station, Jack, etc). Even if she couldn't be added as a squadmate for the whole thing because of her side-quest at least have her be by your side for the Cerberus headquarters or Sanctuary mission.

And secondly, I am def in the chorus of Miranda doesn't exist without Yvonne. I've always been a big fan of her on Chuck but after playing ME2 this last year and the Chuck finale I've fallen for her and her characters more as Miranda/Sarah. Without Yvonne my attachment to Miranda is about the same attachment I have to Thane. Awesome character that I enjoyed in ME2 but what makes her standout more than anything is the fact I'm infatuated with Yvonne. Take the time and make sure Yvonne can do some more VA and then let us know that it's in the works. That's all I'm asking for.

Regarding a movie, I don't see how she wouldn't be up for this or available. Yes she is filming now but she can't be more in demand than Olivia Wilde or a similar actress. Make sure you get Yvonne and then it's a perfect situation and I'm ecstatic.

[DJC123]

 Honestly, I think the way to bring Miranda back is through Oriana.  So far that character has been good for nothing and has basically only served as a McGuffin to energize and humanize Miranda.  

Since Oriana is supposed to be as talented as Miranda, and since Miranda was able to accomplish bringing someone back from the dead through the Lazarus Project, I think Oriana should be how we get Miranda back (if she died in your playthrough).

Oriana could have found Miranda's research, or hacked it, or even been told about it by Miranda during the few months between ME2 and ME3.

The DLC could be structured as:

1) You work with Oriana to gather the research necessary to resurrect Miranda.  The happy conclusion is when you bring Miranda back successfully.

2) Oriana resurrects Miranda on her own.  Miranda contacts you for help in dealing with the fallout (Oriana made some bad friends to finance the proect of bringing Miranda back).

3) Miranda contacts you for some other random mission, the Oriana resurrection scenario is handled through some recapping cinematic (this is he weakest of all options...something that important should be handled in real time, not perfunctory exposition).


Anyway, those are my thoughts.  I like the symmetry of Oriana finally helping her big sister.  I think it's about time that such a supposedly amazing person do something amazing.  If Oriana brings Miranda back she'll finally have a real purpose, and I might even be able to forgive her for being the annoying focus of so much Miranda dialogue.

Modifié par DJC123, 28 mars 2012 - 08:45 .