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[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yeah, I've got all these ideas about her on the ship and who'd she'd talk to

Tell me about it, there are so many interesting conversations to be had. A bit like Metal Gear was saying earlier.


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Modifié par flemm, 30 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Hey that's my Screenshot<3!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ Hey that's my Screenshot!

Yes, it is.

Back when you originally posted it, I asked if I could save it for later, and you said yes

Hope that is still cool.

Modifié par flemm, 30 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@ Flemm

It is. I just can't become comfortable with the Synthesis Ending. All this fighting. All this time struggling, and preparing to stop the Reapers and end the Cycle once and for all, and for what? Becoming synthesized? Becoming a Bio-Synthetic life form is not what I have in mind for closure, especially since it goes against the Widespread Galactic Cause: to Destroy the Reapers and END the Cycle.

And I'm not comfortable seeing Miri caught in such a fate. She wouldn't want it. NO ONE would. She and EVERYONE else would be confused, and scared. They will never know WHY it happened. They will never no why they have just become Bio-Synthetic. No one will ever walk up to them and give an explanation. That is fate that all life is sentenced to unwillingly.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Td1984]

The cycle is ended though. The Reapers stop since everyone becomes part organic and part synthetic. The AI Singularity that the Reapers were trying to prevent no longer becomes a problem.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

My Opinion:

Synthesis: All organic life unwillingly becomes half machine.


I feel as if it is a fate worse than death. When choosing Synthesis, all organic life falls, into the hands of the reaper genetic code. Someone said it created peace. What peace. When people see themselves transformed unwillingly, they would lose their mind. The Reapers would be Salvaged, like they wanted. How long will this "peace" last? The Synthesis may sooner or later become worse. The Reapers would end up using this as an advantage, and cause a widespread control over ALL life in the Glalaxy. Everyone will end up as a form of husks. Besides, I do NOT like Synthesis. No character came all this way, only to become bio-synthetic unwillingly in the end. It creates a high uncomfortable feeling inside of me. The thought of everyone I knew, Including Miri, My Beloved LI becoming half machine creates a HORRIBLY uneasy feeling inside of me.


As I said before: And I'm not comfortable seeing Miri caught in such a fate. She wouldn't want it. NO ONE would. She and EVERYONE else would be confused, and scared. They will never know WHY it happened. They will never no why they have just become Bio-Synthetic. No one will ever walk up to them and give an explanation. That is fate that all life is sentenced to unwillingly.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[flemm]

Well, none of the endings really feels like a victory. That's basically the problem with the endings in a nutshell. Though it doesn't help that the consequences of each choice are never really explored in much detail.

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
 to Destroy the Reapers and END the Cycle.

The Cycle is over.

The quarian's goal was to destroy the Geth. Did you do it? Or did you found a better solution? Peace.
Why not peace with the Reapers?

She wouldn't want it. NO ONE would.

How do you know? You don't know what benefits it might bring. Miranda would have a problem with it being forced on her but that is all.
If, say, Synthesis allowed her to have a child, she might even be thankfull it happened. Not to mention that it is one way to advance humanity.

She and EVERYONE else would be confused, and scared.

At first, sure. Everyone will get used to it eventually.

They will never know WHY it happened.

Do you know why you are sentient? No? But being oblivious to the origins of life in world has not stopped us from living, has it?
Because living is bloody great.

That is fate that all life is sentenced to unwillingly.

All life is, unwillingly, sentenced to die. And, unlike Synthesis, death brings no benefits. But we go on.

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

That would have made for some good background discussion between Miranda and Liara (over ships comm) if she could stay on the Normandy.

Or between Oriana and her as she talks about wanting her to have a life she can't.  Oriana could ask why and she would break the news to her...about her infertility

Perhaps after that Shep and her could talk about it (Investigate option).

Yeah, I've got all these ideas about her on the ship and who'd she'd talk to

If Miranda talked about things she could never have in a playthrough where she survived, my Shepard would have gotten on one knee then and there.

"Maybe I can't give you a child but I can give you this."

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

No one would fully no what happened to them, because all of a sudden they become half machine. I surprised that Joker didn't become confused a this. And no, I do not think that Miri would take this too kindly, because no one would know what happened. They wouldn't know about the synthesis. And AGAIN, HOW LONG WILL THIS PEACE LAST?

PS: AGAIN, this is MY Opinion. There is NO right or wrong answer. Ugh, Sometimes I feel as if most of you believe that your opinions/preferences are the only "true" opinions/preferences allowed to be said. As if you are right, and everyone else is wrong.<_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[MisterJB]

Scientists would discover what happened eventually.

How long does any peace last? Why is a war with the Reapers more likely to end this peace than a war between organic races?
If organics don't show any indication of creating sentient machines immune to Synthesis, the Reapers will have no reason to attack. Besides, they were affected by the Synthesis too. Even if some decided they had to continue the Cycle, there's no guarantee now that all Reapers would decide this was the best course of action.

Sure and I am arguing against your opinion. This is a discussion forum.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

And besides, you are making it sound as if Synthesis is the only ending were everyone lives. News Flash: There IS a Destroy Ending were ALL Organic life is Spared, and Shepard lives.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[MisterJB]

By killing EDI and commiting genocide against the Geth race.
And, even if Shepard lives, he will be a cripple for the rest of his life since he is partly synthetic.
How many organics are there in the galaxy that are partly synthetic? Shepard will be injuring all of them.

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
 The Characters in the story go through so much, only to become half Machine in the end? Why does that sound pleasing to you? It goes against the cause.

Shepard is half-machine and he seems fine to me. Super strenght, can drink poison without dying, etc.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

By killing EDI and commiting genocide against the Geth race.
And, even if Shepard lives, he will be a cripple for the rest of his life since he is partly synthetic.
How many organics are there in the galaxy that are partly synthetic? Shepard will be injuring all of them.

What if the Synthesis became worse over time? What if people became monsters, or power hungry because of their evolution? What if our voices don't sound normal anymore? What if we sound like robots? I don;t want to hear Miri with a distorted voice like the Reapers, the Cerberus troops, or Legion.

MisterJB wrote...
Shepard is half-machine and he seems fine to me. Super strenght, can drink poison without dying, etc.

Yeah, but the Synthetics are Minimal. The Synthesis is ENORMOUS!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[MisterJB]

People already have the potential to be power hungry monsters. On what basis do you claim this will be worsened by Synthesis?

The great thing about Synthesis is that we are not giving super-human abiltities to a privileged few that can afford it and will dominate the "lesser beings" like what Miranda's father intended. Any benefits of Synthesis will be equally shared amongst everyone. How can that not sound wonderful to you?

Voices? That's your problem? Depending on what we receive in return, I'm more than willing to trade pretty voices. Have you heard EDI's voice? It's great.

Also, Cerberus troopers always speak through either helmets or radios. That's why their voices sound distorted.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

But EDI's Voice still sounds mechanical.

The voices aren't the only problem. The problem is how much Humanity we would lose over time. We become more like synthetic, and synthetics become more like us, that's how it is right?

And....I can't break a promise.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[MisterJB]

We're not losing anything. We are gaining.
Have you even considered that, perhaps, we will simply exchange the best of both races? Synthetics gain individuality, the ability to fell real emotions.
Organics gain immortality, the ability to communicate at lightspeed.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Saren once said, "The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined. A union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign, and experience a true rebirth."

Saren lost his ways. The reapers manipulated him into a monster, look at his end boss fight. Are we going have the same type of skeleton underneath? Is Miri?

The Synthesis makes it appear as if we gave up, and that the Reapers one. Or...as if WE were the bad guys all along. This sounds like an M.Night Shyamalan twist.

We had a goal, to stop the Reapers, in ME1, ME2, and ME3. Choosing Synthesis lets everyone down.

And it doesn't fit the way I play. I destroyed Sovereign, and I destroyed the Collector Base. Why surrender everything that was believed in?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Urdnot wpc]

immortality is a bittersweet thing to gain it we would have to go against everything we believe in and for what to live forever why the way i see it we need to make the best out of the time we are given we need to live life and love not try to run from death but embrace it as an old friend when it calls our name

Modifié par Urdnot wpc, 30 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[MisterJB]

Saren did not achieve true Synthesis. He was being controlled by the Reapers. Synthesis will not give the Reapers the ability to control organics. Shepard was not indocrinated when he gave his energy to initiate the process.

What does it matter what type of skeleton they will have. I'm fairly certain that, if you were to open Shepard after ME2, you would find metal, metal and more metal keeping all that metal together.

No, it doesn't. Choosing Synthesis not only stops the Reapers but it also brings a new age of evolution onto the galaxy. Organics were not simply saved, they were improved.
Look at how the geth never actually fought each other.
If Synthesis gives us this, it could mean an end to all wars or poverty or disease. The possibilites are endless.
Eternal life, true understanding, all of this is within our reach with Synthesis.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

It doesn't even matter anyway. All aliens are trapped on Earth Regardless, the Relays are Destroyed (Miri will still not see Oriana again)  and Shepard dies in Synthesis. I have a promise to keep. I'm not going to "Head Cannon" this. You saw it yourself. Shepard Disappeared, like in the Control Ending. Erased from Existence.

Do you think he would still be considered a hero and not a coward?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[MisterJB]

I don't care what other people consider Shepard. Destroying is more cowardly, anyway.
The best chance for any of the aliens on Sol to ever see their worlds again is with Synthesis or Control.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

I don't care what other people consider Shepard. Destroying is more cowardly, anyway.
The best chance for any of the aliens on Sol to ever see their worlds again is with Synthesis or Control.

Why? The Citadel, AND the Relays are gone. 

They could have gone without the Glowing Green eu=ys and glowing skin in Synthesis. What would Everyone's reaction be to THAT? What would Miri's Reaction be?

[Vertigo_1]

Speaking of Synthesis:

Secret Mass Effect 3 Ending

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Now I don't even know which Ending is right for me anymore. I always stood by, "The Needs of the Many outweigh the needs of the Few or the One." 

The Many: Organic Life

The Few: Synthetics

The One: Star Child, Saren, TIM

What if, with Synthesis, there's a whole "Hive Mind" thing, where ALL indivisuality dies, and we end up saying "We" instead of "I?":unsure:

I don't want a Borg Collective-Type Thing going on.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 05:07 .