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[Caihn]

There is no "good ending", but IMO : Destroy > Control > Synthesis.

In my ending Shepard is alive, and Miranda will find him.
She will recruit the best scientists available and Shepard's implants will be repaired.
The situation in the Sol system is better than expected since the Quarians are not here and the Geths are no more.
Some months later, Shepard & Miranda will create and lead a new human special forces organization.
Shepard will be in charge of the academy where the best N7 will be trained, and Miranda will be in charge of the operations.

Then the war for the Sol system ressouces begin ..


Found on deviant art :



http://punisher357.d...iance-292981071 

Modifié par Yannkee, 30 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Melra]

Oh people will be so unhappy about that Alliance Insignia.

[Elyvern]

I've finally gotten off the phase of denying and being so angry over the endings to conserve a few braincells for other aspects of ME3 that have been drowned out by the outcry over aforementioned endings.

And the more I think about Miranda's character development in ME3 the more infruriated I get. Remember how before the game was released, one of the biggest contention in this thread was the direction that her character development would go? Remember how her choice of words if you choose to destroy the collector base and her response in the epilogue if you retained it created a big schism among fans because each signals a shift in direction over how Miranda would turn out in ME3 and neither side of the fanbase was willing to accept the outcome they didn't like?

Well, it seems that none of that matters. Apart from 1 heavy-handed attempt to tack on 'character development' for her in the form of the control chip conversation, there was no progression either way for Miranda. She's stuck in the rut, frozen in time from when we left ME2. No, in fact, I'm being too kind. ME3 not just left her character stagnant, it even degenerates her character.

The core of my contention is with how her father was portrayed. Any writer will tell you that what defines a character is dependent on 3 factors:

1. What the character thinks
2. How the character acts
3. How other characters think and react to that character

The first does not apply to mediums like plays and movies, and it's a category that ME, with its cinematic approach falls under. What truly belittles and damages Miranda in ME3 is number 3. 

When I saw the scene where she throws her father off the ledge with a biotic push, and then utter the heartfelt words "It's finally over. I'm free (sic)", my first impulse was to laugh. And to laugh bitterly.

All I could think of was:

"You let that haunt and define your entire life? A two-bit villian who sounds like every other mouth-frothing cerberus scientist on the verge of an idea so bad that he must be utterly blind to the giant gaps of logic behind it? A man who stoops so low as to use a woman as a shield to safeguard his life, never mind that the woman is the daughter that he supposedly spent 20 years trying to recapture? And when Shepard offers a deceptive way to save his own life, he just decides willy-nilly to go with it without a second thought? Whom you then with one simple biotic push, cause him to plummet to his death with a girly scream?"

The fact that...that cockroach could affect Miranda in such a primal way--her insiatiable drive for perfection beyond his making, her insecurities about her genetic gifts, her fear of his discovering Oriana's whereabouts--in short, every defining aspect of her personality and character arc just makes me want to whimper more than just a bit.

It's such a grave example of character assassination, and a damn insidious one at that because it stems primarily from the passive combination of Miranda's reactions and responses over two games. And what a damn anti-climax it is.  

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...
Some months later, Shepard & Miranda will create and lead a new human special forces organization.
Shepard will be in charge of the academy where the best N7 will be trained, and Miranda will be in charge of the operations.

Sounds good, I like that as a possible future

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Urdnot wpc wrote...

if you synthesize you might not survive if you did not save the collectors base but if you destroy it you will survive but you will kill edi and the geth as well as the reapers

Wait....are you telling me, that in order to Survive the Synthesis Ending, I have to start ME2 all over again, and keep that **** Hole Abomination of a Base intact????!!!!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[jtav]

You only survive if you get 4k/5k EMS and choose Destroy. The one end I can't take. Turns out there are things that matter more than Miranda. Which I think actually makes Shep worthy of her, that he has a line he will not cross even to be with her.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I guess the Destroy Ending Fits with me then. I destroyed Sovereign, and I destroyed the Collector Base. Unfortunately, I feel as if I'm a hypocite in Mass Effect. I destroy in ME1 and ME2, yet I made peace between the Quarians and the Geth and got Joker and EDI Romantically involved with one another. However....I destroyed the Reapers, as it should have been since it was the Long-Term Galactic Goal......yet the Geth and EDI are also gone.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[jtav]

The long tern goal is stopping the Reapers, which happens regardless. I find myself more and more attracted to Control for the possibility of preserving the status quo, And perhaps, years hence, a dying Miranda will find the walls of the Citadel shift to admit her to a place she's never been. Shepard reveals himself at last and transforms her into what he is with a kiss. The Catalyst is now two minds, not one.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
Some months later, Shepard & Miranda will create and lead a new human special forces organization.
Shepard will be in charge of the academy where the best N7 will be trained, and Miranda will be in charge of the operations.

Sounds good, I like that as a possible future

Hopefully it will still be possible with incoming DLC.
I'm not against ending DLC, but I don't want that they screw the only acceptable ending for me (Destroy + Shepard alive).

Modifié par Yannkee, 30 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The long tern goal is stopping the Reapers, which happens regardless. I find myself more and more attracted to Control for the possibility of preserving the status quo, And perhaps, years hence, a dying Miranda will find the walls of the Citadel shift to admit her to a place she's never been. Shepard reveals himself at last and transforms her into what he is with a kiss. The Catalyst is now two minds, not one.

The thing is, I don't want to destroy galactic civilization, but I also want that giant leap of advancement represented by the Synthesis. Also in Control they'd be stuck in the Citadel while if Shepard comes back as in your story they'll be able to live on. I mean, really live.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The thing is, I don't want to destroy galactic civilization, but I also want that giant leap of advancement represented by the Synthesis. Also in Control they'd be stuck in the Citadel while if Shepard comes back as in your story they'll be able to live on. I mean, really live.

I'm not sure I'd really want to see it happen that way, though, where everyone is just passively transformed. It's partly for that reason that I don't find synthesis very attractive (really none of the endings are).

[jtav]

Which is why I'm writing Synthesis.and not Control. The above is bittersweetly romantic and how I'd end a novelization. Synthesis allows the story to really continue. All I got in game was a lousy vidcall and a line that practically begged me to have him return to the mortal world, They deserve more. I want more.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

The long tern goal is stopping the Reapers, which happens regardless. I find myself more and more attracted to Control for the possibility of preserving the status quo, And perhaps, years hence, a dying Miranda will find the walls of the Citadel shift to admit her to a place she's never been. Shepard reveals himself at last and transforms her into what he is with a kiss. The Catalyst is now two minds, not one.

In Control, Shepard is Transformed into a Reaper and orders the other Reapers to stand down and leave (This is FACT). So you want Miri to be a Reaper too? That's awful, and sick.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Dr. Doctor]

My issue with the endings stem from the purpose behind the Reapers. The whole "the creation will always rise up against the creator" logic bothers me.

With the Turian bomb on Tuchanka, the STG's plan to uplift races like the Yahg, the Asari's use of Prothean relics to advance their civilization, the Krogan's desire to be freed from the Genophage, and Cerberus' ideal of human advancement we see that life as a whole wants to be able to create a future for themselves that isn't controlled by another entity.

This desire causes conflict when these civilizations come into contact with each other. For instance, the Council has stiff penalties for hoarding Prothean technology, or uplifting species without consent but when the only limiting factor to these rules is morality it's the interests of an individual's race first, the rest of the galaxy second.

This may be a logical conclusion to us, but to quote Mordin "Kept looking at the big picture. Big picture made up of millions of little pictures. To many variables." If every society keeps working to its own advantages without restriction at some point all the little changes we make to keep ahead of one another out of the desire to create our own future we might end up destroying ourselves. The only thing is that most individuals can't think that far ahead, and simply continue to go along with their plans.

The Reapers however, represent a god-like intelligence that has existed for untold millions of years. They have the ability to see the big picture and comprehend its meaning and thus have deemed that life, be it organic or synthetic when left with unrestricted free will to develop will set a series of events into motion that will eventually lead to untold destruction. The cycle prevents this from happening by imposing a defined path of creation, advancement, and ultimate destruction on every single potential civilization in order to prevent this from happening for reasons that we can't comprehend.

Destruction removes these restrictions, but it presents a risk of what will happen if we're given ultimate free will to advance as we see fit. What happens, happens for better or for worse but at least it's our risk to take.

Control keeps the status quo, we're not gods and we lack the foresight to tell where we're going and what will happen when we get there. Maintaining the cycle gives us insurance that should we come to the point of destroying ourselves it won't come at the cost of all organic/synthetic life everywhere.

Synthesis provides an opportunity to see the universe in the same way that the Reapers do without sacrificing our ideals and philosophies. All races can comprehend the long-term repercussions of their actions without needing to have an intelligence like the Catalyst impose it's will upon us. However what will happen as a result of this is unknown.

[Ieldra]

You're writing the most interesting posts, Dr. Doctor. Unfortunately, I am not thinking clearly atm (too much wine). Only this much: Control appears like an unappealing choice from your perspective. "We need gods", is what it appears to say. I'd rather raise our consciousness to a "godlike" perspective.

[jtav]

Shepard becomes the Catalyst, not a Reaper. And my proposal is a variation on every "reunited in the afterlife" end you've ever seen. Miranda, at the end of her natural life, achieves immortality and is reunited with her love.

But not as much fun as Synthesis, which includes a real life with friends and family and lots of neat stuff.

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You're writing the most interesting posts, Dr. Doctor. Unfortunately, I am not thinking clearly atm (too much wine). Only this much: Control appears like an unappealing choice from your perspective. "We need gods", is what it appears to say. I'd rather raise our consciousness to a "godlike" perspective.

It's more of an admission that we're not infallable. Individuals like TIM and the Council who claim to know what's best for society either fail to live up to their promises or at worst cause conflict and destruction. Synthesis could give us the ability to understand the universe like the Reapers do while we maintain our free will but what will happen as a result of that is unknown.

The Reapers on the other hand believe that civilization is ultimately flawed, that if left to our own devices without anything to constrain us we'll end up destroying ourselves. They're the guide rails of civilization and the ultimate limit of creation, the system isn't perfect but neither are the beings it's intended to control. Shepard becoming the new Catalyst grants life a repreive, a chance to create a future for itself. However, should these alliances fail and chaos spread throughout the galaxy the Reapers will be there to put an end to it.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unfortunately it's not a non-issue. It's referenced in the long death scene, which is the one non-imported games get as well as those where you sided with Jack in ME2, which together is a majority I think.

Wait, isn't the longer death scene the romance death scene, with the "I love you," etc.?

[RevanMg]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for Miranda, she always worked for humanity's advancement. This is an advancement, not just of humanity, but of everyone. I think Miranda would be intrigued by the possibilities.

I tend to disagree. There is nothing for Geth in the Synthesis. There is nothing they get from getting organic parts. In fact they are the most evolved and advanced species in the Mass Effect galaxy, by ME3;P

Spoiler

1. After Legion sacrifice they have free will and are independant of each other. You could say, they are just emotionless machines, but given time they are likely to follow Edi's path, not to mention Legion's choice was not only about self-presevation.

2. They are virtually immortal. Despite the upgrade they are still "the software" so they can change bodies at will. As long as there is hardware available you cannot kill certain individual. 

3. Reapers by comparsion lack the free will(thanks to the Catalyst nosense), though they have more advanced toys (yet, they are mortal, just hard to kill;P )

Modifié par RevanMg, 30 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unfortunately it's not a non-issue. It's referenced in the long death scene, which is the one non-imported games get as well as those where you sided with Jack in ME2, which together is a majority I think.

Wait, isn't the longer death scene the romance death scene, with the "I love you," etc.?

"Things I could never have" also occurs in the non-romance version.

[Alessar1288]

RevanMg wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for Miranda, she always worked for humanity's advancement. This is an advancement, not just of humanity, but of everyone. I think Miranda would be intrigued by the possibilities.

I tend to disagree. There is nothing for Geth in the Synthesis. There is nothing they get from getting organic parts. In fact they are the most evolved and advanced species in the Mass Effect galaxy, by ME3;P

Spoiler

1. After Legion sacrifice they have free will and are independant of each other. You could say, they are just emotionless machines, but given time they are likely to follow Edi's path, not to mention Legion's choice was not only about self-presevation.

2. They are virtually immortal. Despite the upgrade they are still "the software" so they can change bodies at will. As long as there is hardware available you cannot kill certain individual. 

3. Reapers by comparsion lack the free will(thanks to the Catalyst nosense), though they have more advanced toys (yet, they are mortal, just hard to kill;P )

Maybe I don't see this how thinking like synthetics as an advantage since the Geth reacted like any organic species would after being attacked by the Quarians. They looked towards their own survival, and honestly adding in the traits of organics isn't going to change that behavior. 

[jtav]

I've put my finger on what bugs me about the romance and why I say I'm crazy for romancing her: there's no payoff. You have this wonderful build up of them affirming they want this romance but must be apart for very good reasons. Shepard is celibate despite having easy access to willing partners. So they're finally reunited and we see..a hug and a vidcall? I understand Miranda isn't demonstrative but I as a player/viewer feel cheated. I need catharsis for the romance. Right now, fidelity + having Miranda survive isn't worth it.

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

I've put my finger on what bugs me about the romance and why I say I'm crazy for romancing her: there's no payoff. You have this wonderful build up of them affirming they want this romance but must be apart for very good reasons. Shepard is celibate despite having easy access to willing partners. So they're finally reunited and we see..a hug and a vidcall? I understand Miranda isn't demonstrative but I as a player/viewer feel cheated. I need catharsis for the romance. Right now, fidelity + having Miranda survive isn't worth it.

I thought you loved the vidcall.

But yes, I agree with you completely. Playing ME3 as a Mirandamancer is constantly wanting things to go in a certain direction and then being repeatedly disappointed.

[jtav]

I do love the vidcall, but only if he does indeed find her (hence the fic). Having adversity in the romance is good, but at some point the adversity needs to be overcome or tragedy happens. You can't just keep raising tension. It needs to be released. The ME3 romance has no conclusion.

[Nightwriter]

None of the ME2 LIs get satisfying conclusions, with the exceptions of Garrus and Tali. Sucks majorly.

I wanted more tenderness. The coy stuff and the "no promises" stuff was cute, but this is the end of the series and I kind of felt a more serious show of emotions was in order, at least at some point.

Which is why your fic is good -- there's tenderness, and there's definitely some serious expression of emotion. It's not overdone, either. Quite nice.