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[yesikareyes]

I can't believe I just requested a fanfic in one of those livejournal sites just to satisfy my headcanon fantasy lol

[ThomGau]

jtav wrote...

I've put my finger on what bugs me about the romance and why I say I'm crazy for romancing her: there's no payoff. You have this wonderful build up of them affirming they want this romance but must be apart for very good reasons. Shepard is celibate despite having easy access to willing partners. So they're finally reunited and we see..a hug and a vidcall? I understand Miranda isn't demonstrative but I as a player/viewer feel cheated. I need catharsis for the romance. Right now, fidelity + having Miranda survive isn't worth it.

Well I said something similar yesterday, the romance is sometimes quite uptight, to the point that it seems unreal. In my opinion, Miranda, even if she isn't really demonstrative, wouldn't mind kissing her boyfriend in public for example.
About that I mostly blame the developers for not being willing to really flesh out the romance content by adding loving gestures, which would absolutely be natural.

Reading fanfics is good in order to take care of that problem, Hell, I even re-imagine the ME3 scenes in my head just to make them more romantically real so to speak.

Modifié par ThomGau, 31 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Skullheart]

Well, the no affection display might be fault of Shepard. He's the protagonist, he should hug and kiss the girl. After melting her ice walls in ME2, he should be able to do that with no problem.

[ThomGau]

Agreed Skullheart.
Despite much effort shown regarding how Shepard was unemotional in ME2, there is still quite a few things which could have been improved. Miranda is definitely not to blame for that.

For example, Shepard as being the main protagonist can't cry, even if the women he loves just in died in his arms kissing him.

Modifié par ThomGau, 31 mars 2012 - 12:28 .

[jtav]

It's not even PDA I'm looking for. Just let me see them as the happy couple for a minute or two and give me a conclusion. Like this:

S: Sure you don't want to join me on the Normandy?
M: I wish I could, but I have a team of my own to look after. God, it feels like we're always saying goodbye.
S: This war won't last forever. And I plan to make up for lost time.

And so on.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I do love the vidcall, but only if he does indeed find her (hence the fic). Having adversity in the romance is good, but at some point the adversity needs to be overcome or tragedy happens. You can't just keep raising tension. It needs to be released. The ME3 romance has no conclusion.

Well, tbh, one could say that of the Miranda's role as a whole. All three early conversations contain some sort of reference either to her joining up after dealing with her father, or her having her eye on the bigger picture of the war against the Reapers, or both. So, she deals with her father and... nothing happens.

It's absurd that, after all the angst and separation of the early part of the game, there is no option to even *ask* Miranda (an injured Miranda no less!) to come aboard the Normandy once her mission is completed.

Modifié par flemm, 31 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[jtav]

Agreed. A really simple fix for the romance part would be having the lock-in convo occur after Sanctuary on the Normandy after Miranda's patched up. Cut the Presidium Commons conversation and put the appropriate bits here. Maybe she isn't up for sex, but you can affirm the relationship and celebrate the fact that you're finally together.

[Little Red Corvette]

That could work jtav, and instead of talking about the control chip perhaps talk about her infertility, if it is a problem anymore at all.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Agreed. A really simple fix for the romance part would be having the lock-in convo occur after Sanctuary on the Normandy after Miranda's patched up. Cut the Presidium Commons conversation and put the appropriate bits here. Maybe she isn't up for sex, but you can affirm the relationship and celebrate the fact that you're finally together.

I don't see why it would be one or the other, really. But given that there's a romance scene earlier, the scene on the Normandy could just be focused on the emotional side of things.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Agreed. A really simple fix for the romance part would be having the lock-in convo occur after Sanctuary on the Normandy after Miranda's patched up. Cut the Presidium Commons conversation and put the appropriate bits here. Maybe she isn't up for sex, but you can affirm the relationship and celebrate the fact that you're finally together.

Yeah that's what I was thinking back when I had ideas on how they could go about it.
Most of the dialogue can be used as well as the animations (Shep would be sitting on his bed)...just change it to be on the Normandy as you said.

[jtav]

Well you could have both, but I'm assuming it's a matter of resources. Or stick her and Jack on the ship before TIM's base and give them proper scenes. It is not remotely a stretch that they would want to be there for that fight.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well you could have both, but I'm assuming it's a matter of resources. Or stick her and Jack on the ship before TIM's base and give them proper scenes. It is not remotely a stretch that they would want to be there for that fight.

Well, I dunno. If it's a result of the line budget really being so tight that the role can't be completely properly... then crap lol. That's ridiculous. It also means the role was poorly planned in the first place.

[SNascimento]

ok guys, have a small story for you. You might like it, or you might not. Read at your own risks, I can't give your time back.
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So last begin: Some time ago I ordered the book "Art of the Mass Effectt Universe", it would take a couple of weeks for the store to get it so I gave my parent's house adress for the delivery. A few days ago it arrived, my mon called me to inform me, I said she should give it a look because even though she has no idea what Mass Effect is, the book is very interesting.
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Anyway, eventually I went to the house to get it and asked her if she liked. She said it mostly scared her! With the creep aliens and etc... but there was one image she thought was beautiful. Can guess which one. A hint, it's about the chracter this thread is about. Discovery already? Well, it was this one:
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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

[MisterJB]

The problem lies in the fact that they intended for Miranda to die in Sanctuary and, thus, did not put the same amount of effort in a playthrough where she survives. Reaffirming the romance happens very soon (which doesn't bother me, to be honest), the only opportunity for sex happens before Sanctuary, the only way to hear those three words or see a kiss is if she dies.
Maybe if we repeat this enough, they'll realize their mistake?
The survival scenario was cooked up entirely for our benefit but we are not satisfied with it!


Shepard and Thane pretty much tongue wrestle in front of everyone at the hospital but we couldn't get a kiss in Sanctuary?

[MisterJB]

Your mother has very good taste.
That litho is hanging on the wall in front of me right now.

[flemm]

SNascimento wrote...
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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

Awesome, nice story

[SNascimento]

MisterJB wrote...

Your mother has very good taste.
That litho is hanging on the wall in front of me right now.

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Joke: I'm not jealous. 

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

It's not even PDA I'm looking for. Just let me see them as the happy couple for a minute or two and give me a conclusion. Like this:

S: Sure you don't want to join me on the Normandy?
M: I wish I could, but I have a team of my own to look after. God, it feels like we're always saying goodbye.
S: This war won't last forever. And I plan to make up for lost time.

And so on.

This still forces an off-screen conclusion. That isn't closure for me. It's a promise for closure that isn't delivered on. I'm not one of those people who is interested in just "imagining" the satisfying conclusion. I want to see it, or it isn't real, and it isn't felt.

I wasn't interested in a relationship that capitalized on always being pulled apart, either. Sure, she's got her stuff to do and you've got your stuff to do; doesn't mean your paths can't cross regularly or that you can't be brought together for several well written and satisfying scenes that give us fulfilling romance content. Miranda has every reason to be communicating regularly with Shepard from a story perspective.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

SNascimento wrote...


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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

I love this picture, thanks for posting it!

[jtav]

The lack of "I love you" doesn't bother me. It's fairly trite these days. Besides, he confesses love when he says he always wants her in his life. I was half-expecting him to drop to one knee. I just want closure and her survival in the same story.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Well you could have both, but I'm assuming it's a matter of resources. Or stick her and Jack on the ship before TIM's base and give them proper scenes. It is not remotely a stretch that they would want to be there for that fight.

Yes, that's what I had in mind.

How I would set it up:
When she says: "Get her someplace safe, get this scratch cleaned up"

Choices here: Rep check option (This might be a low requirement since there's so much tied to it) or

Opposite that: "Stay Safe" option where she's basically does what we see in game now (leaves).

Choosing Rep Option:
"You can do both on the Normandy and figure out what to do with Oriana.  And right now a Stealth Ship might be the safest place for her"

She agrees and joins up.

When she comes aboard there would some distrust (I'm sure if the VS is there they would bring it up)

First time you see her on the ship proper:
She's in the Medbay with Chakwas (Oriana could be there with them or outside in the mess hall) getting patched up (it's nothing major so it's only a one time deal).

After that:
Miranda would on the crew deck with Oriana (not always) and other areas:
Catching up with Liara (considering they know each other from Redemption comic)? Talking to EDI? Dr. Chakwas?

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Jack would have the same option right after her bar scene (I'd move that part to later in the game):
She joins with her students on the Normandy.
You can see her normally inthe Shuttle Bay practicing Barrier or Artillery support (would use dummies for this).  There's a few scenes where she's on other parts of the ship just like Miranda (might even have a conversation between the two )

There.  Both are on the ship (Not much but they are there...something like how much time Mordin/Wrex/Legion are for their missions)  and you get a proper romance scene.

Both are on the ground on Earth once the attack begins...

Too bad for Thane and Jacobmancers though

Thoughts?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[SNascimento]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

SNascimento wrote...


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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

I love this picture, thanks for posting it!

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You can thank me by saing how do you use pictures on your profile that are not the ones commonly available... I always wanted to know... am I missing something?
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ps: no going to snip the picture because it's just too gorgeous.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

SNascimento wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

SNascimento wrote...


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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

I love this picture, thanks for posting it!

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You can thank me by saing how do you use pictures on your profile that are not the ones commonly available... I always wanted to know... am I missing something?
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ps: no going to snip the picture because it's just too gorgeous.

Depending on if you have the PC version of Dragon Age available, it's a kind of involved process. Give me a bit to find the links again, and I'll have no problem PMing them to you.

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

The lack of "I love you" doesn't bother me. It's fairly trite these days. Besides, he confesses love when he says he always wants her in his life. I was half-expecting him to drop to one knee. I just want closure and her survival in the same story.

The "I'll always want you in my life" line was good, but it just wasn't enough. That whole exchange was absurdly brief.

[jtav]

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.