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[RedTail F22]

I need more Miranda in my Mass Effect Romances. I know it says Ashley at the bottom but I really love both of them believe me choosing one of them is not easy. Also there should've been some tension between Shepard, Miranda, and whoever my ME1 LI was.

That would've made ME3 sooo much greater

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

That would be exquisite.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

You have very specific tastes there...I like it

And I agree with you, RedTail

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[Td1984]

SNascimento wrote...



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It's beautiful indeed, one of my favorite Miranda's picture.

I never was able to get one of those myself. *sigh*

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I wish Miranda had a role in ME3 outside just looking for Oriana

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

I would like that. The ME2 sidelined LIs are the only ones who don't have pillow talk.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Skullheart
Ashley doesn't have that so that isn't entirely true

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

THIS! 

[MisterJB]

Except that Ashley does have pillow talk. I've seen it on youtube.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@MisterJB
Youre right my bad

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

Yes, this, well put

[Dr. Doctor]

If I was going to do a retcon of ME3 I'd have Miranda be the leader of the rogue cell on Gellix. If you destroyed the base she sets it up asa stronghold for other operatives fleeing from the organization. If youkept the base she set it up months ago after TIM started to go off the deep end as a place for other disenfranchised members of the group to go.

In either case the cell represents one of the last bastions of the Cerberus that she believed in, the scientists and other agents that came to her help to carry on the ideal of human advancement that Cerberus once promoted. After TIM's army comes and destroys that last stronghold Miranda finally has to face the fact that she can't keep running. Jacob is entrusted with making sure that the cell members and their families are safe with Hackett and the Crucible team while Miranda and a group of other agents head off to take the fight to TIM. In the event that you lost Miranda in ME2 Dr. Cole takes over as per the current ME3 mission. You lose Miranda's commando squad as a war asset though.

All I can say about the romance right now is that it does a lot of things right. Shepard and Miranda banter back and forth, and it's evident that they love each other. As stated before so much is built up but the romance doesn't go anywhere. The same thing happens with the other ME2 LI's and the VS. I'm doing a Liara romance playthrough right now and it seems like the game's trying to tell me something.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Random question:

I know you obviously can't replicate a lot of her features, but have any of you tried to recreate Miranda/Yvonne in the CC?

[krukow]

RedTail F22 wrote...

I need more Miranda in my Mass Effect Romances. I know it says Ashley at the bottom but I really love both of them believe me choosing one of them is not easy. Also there should've been some tension between Shepard, Miranda, and whoever my ME1 LI was.

That would've made ME3 sooo much greater

I have the same problem.  Ultimately I just decided that paragon shep would go for Ash and renegade shep would go for Miri...

[kookie28]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

If I was going to do a retcon of ME3 I'd have Miranda be the leader of the rogue cell on Gellix. If you destroyed the base she sets it up asa stronghold for other operatives fleeing from the organization. If youkept the base she set it up months ago after TIM started to go off the deep end as a place for other disenfranchised members of the group to go.

In either case the cell represents one of the last bastions of the Cerberus that she believed in, the scientists and other agents that came to her help to carry on the ideal of human advancement that Cerberus once promoted. After TIM's army comes and destroys that last stronghold Miranda finally has to face the fact that she can't keep running. Jacob is entrusted with making sure that the cell members and their families are safe with Hackett and the Crucible team while Miranda and a group of other agents head off to take the fight to TIM. In the event that you lost Miranda in ME2 Dr. Cole takes over as per the current ME3 mission. You lose Miranda's commando squad as a war asset though.

All I can say about the romance right now is that it does a lot of things right. Shepard and Miranda banter back and forth, and it's evident that they love each other. As stated before so much is built up but the romance doesn't go anywhere. The same thing happens with the other ME2 LI's and the VS. I'm doing a Liara romance playthrough right now and it seems like the game's trying to tell me something.

I got the same feeling my first playthrough and I was trying to AVOID Liara . . .

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

jtav wrote...
I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

That would be exquisite.

I'll chime in with another "me, too".

And I want my ME2 Miranda back

[ThomGau]

jtav wrote...

I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

I'd love that
The romance scene wouldn't feel like a stolen moment : "Miranda let's make love because we might not do it ever again".
Make them feel that they can be a real couple damn it, they are allowed to plan for the future. We have a prequel of such a conversation with the "things will change but on our terms..." but it isn't fleshed out.
In the end we don't have a conclusion to this, I want them to be happy and to discuss the future but I also want all of this to come true.

Modifié par ThomGau, 31 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

jtav wrote...
I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

That would be exquisite.

I'll chime in with another "me, too".

And I want my ME2 Miranda back

How do you mean?

[Nightwriter]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

If I was going to do a retcon of ME3 I'd have Miranda be the leader of the rogue cell on Gellix. If you destroyed the base she sets it up asa stronghold for other operatives fleeing from the organization. If youkept the base she set it up months ago after TIM started to go off the deep end as a place for other disenfranchised members of the group to go.

In either case the cell represents one of the last bastions of the Cerberus that she believed in, the scientists and other agents that came to her help to carry on the ideal of human advancement that Cerberus once promoted. After TIM's army comes and destroys that last stronghold Miranda finally has to face the fact that she can't keep running. Jacob is entrusted with making sure that the cell members and their families are safe with Hackett and the Crucible team while Miranda and a group of other agents head off to take the fight to TIM. In the event that you lost Miranda in ME2 Dr. Cole takes over as per the current ME3 mission. You lose Miranda's commando squad as a war asset though.

You know, I don't think I'd've minded this at all. Miranda fits the role better than Jacob does.

I can almost imagine a scene where Shepard and Miranda are standing on an upper platform looking down at all the former Cerberus scientists on Gellix. Miranda shakes her head. "This is what I believed in -- this is what I saw when I looked at Cerberus. Brilliant minds gathered together to make a difference, with no limits except our own talent, our own will to make the impossible possible. If I had known that one day I would need to protect those minds from the man I believed to be their greatest patron... Every soul I'm willing to fight beside is now at war with the organization I thought most worth fighting for. You left. Brynn left. Everyone of value left. Now Cerberus is only the Illusive Man, and there is nothing left in it to believe in. We took all of that with us. And now he wants it back. I'd like to see him come and get it."

Plus Jacob and Miranda would cross paths in this scenario, right? Be cool to see what they had to say to each other, what with my Shepard romancing Miranda and Jacob getting together with Brynn.

Hmm. Brynn. Makes you almost wonder whether Miranda dumped Jacob because she anticipated unfaithfulness. Too bad she didn't warn femShep.

Dr. Doctor wrote...

All I can say about the romance right now is that it does a lot of things right. Shepard and Miranda banter back and forth, and it's evident that they love each other. As stated before so much is built up but the romance doesn't go anywhere. The same thing happens with the other ME2 LI's and the VS.

Their love for each other wasn't stated enough for me. Not enough displays of affection or tenderness or intimacy. "It does a lot of things right" is too positive a general statement for my dissatisfactions to palate.

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm doing a Liara romance playthrough right now and it seems like the game's trying to tell me something.

You will never, ever, ever, ever understand how hard I laughed at this.

Ever.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 31 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

jtav wrote...
I want pillow talk more than anything. Her head on his chest, his hands roaming her back as they discuss the future.

That would be exquisite.

I'll chime in with another "me, too".

And I want my ME2 Miranda back

How do you mean?

ME3 Miranda feels like an impostor. Miranda/Cerberus? Ignored. Problems with her origins? Ignored. Controversial ethical stance? Removed in favor of a more conventional one. Conflict with her father? Reduced to two seconds with no real confrontation. Everything that's not about Oriana or the romance is basically gone, with a little damage control in form of the SB email put in after we complained. Even the romance gets little attention, and her mission is LM 2.0.

So while there is some good stuff, I am not happy. I want the old Miranda back. This one feels like a diluted, incomplete copy.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
I can almost imagine a scene where Shepard and Miranda are standing on an upper platform looking down at all the former Cerberus scientists on Gellix. Miranda shakes her head. "This is what I believed in -- this is what I saw when I looked at Cerberus. Brilliant minds gathered together to make a difference, with no limits except our own talent, our own will to make the impossible possible. If I had known that one day I would need to protect those minds from the man I believed to be their greatest patron... Every soul I'm willing to fight beside is now at war with the organization I thought most worth fighting for. You left. Brynn left. Everyone of value left. Now Cerberus is only the Illusive Man, and there is nothing left in it to believe in. We took all of that with us. And now he wants it back. I'd like to see him come and get it."

*sigh*

To see how it could've been.

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
I can almost imagine a scene where Shepard and Miranda are standing on an upper platform looking down at all the former Cerberus scientists on Gellix. Miranda shakes her head. "This is what I believed in -- this is what I saw when I looked at Cerberus. Brilliant minds gathered together to make a difference, with no limits except our own talent, our own will to make the impossible possible. If I had known that one day I would need to protect those minds from the man I believed to be their greatest patron... Every soul I'm willing to fight beside is now at war with the organization I thought most worth fighting for. You left. Brynn left. Everyone of value left. Now Cerberus is only the Illusive Man, and there is nothing left in it to believe in. We took all of that with us. And now he wants it back. I'd like to see him come and get it."

*sigh*

To see how it could've been.

Yep

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ME3 Miranda feels like an impostor. Miranda/Cerberus? Ignored. Problems with her origins? Ignored. Controversial ethical stance? Removed in favor of a more conventional one. Conflict with her father? Reduced to two seconds with no real confrontation. Everything that's not about Oriana or the romance is basically gone, with a little damage control in form of the SB email put in after we complained. Even the romance gets little attention, and her mission is LM 2.0.

So while there is some good stuff, I am not happy. I want the old Miranda back. This one feels like a diluted, incomplete copy.

I simply felt that she was the same person, but given much much much less screentime and attention.

I would so like to know wtf BioWare was thinking. "Well, it's the end of the trilogy, so they won't really care about romance content that much, right? But the VS and Liara fans -- oh, they'll care. Let's focus on that!"

[ThomGau]

It's not just about the romance which is a relative improvement from the ME2 one.

Every aspects of what makes Miranda who she is, are partially resolved or barely brought up.

Saying she is an impostor is a bit too harsh imo but yeah she is diluted, just like many aspects and characters in this game afterall.

Modifié par ThomGau, 31 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I do love the vidcall, but only if he does indeed find her (hence the fic). Having adversity in the romance is good, but at some point the adversity needs to be overcome or tragedy happens. You can't just keep raising tension. It needs to be released. The ME3 romance has no conclusion.

It's the same problem as with the endings. No emotional release, no closure. If something like your "fix fic" (love the term) is needed to bring it then something went wrong with the storytelling.

BTW it's another thing how seriously things went wrong that so many people talk about the need to "fix" things. I've seen many complaints over the years where people thought things should've been written differently, but here....the endings need to be fixed, Miranda as a character needs to fixed as well as her romance conclusion. It appears Bioware has crossed that line between "undesirable" and "unacceptable" in several different ways in ME3.