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[Raizo]

ThomGau wrote...

At first I though that Miranda was one of the luckiest among the ME2 exclusives with relatively more screentime etc... But now that I think of it, she got butchered more than anyone else. The reason being that she was the most important and complex character in ME2 and she is now reduced to this.

Perhaps Miranda commiting suicide would have been too Tali-ish but given how her role was written in ME3 it would have been relevant (it's hurtful to say that).

It's a matter of perspective. On one hand it is hard to deny that she was one of the luckier ME2 exclusive squadmates, only Mordin and Legion get more screen time and roles that are more relative to ME3's plot.

On the other hand Miranda is/was a character that always had soo much potential, the fact that so little is done with her in Me3 is just disappointing.

There are days when I feel like going on huge rant about Miranda's lack of screen time and the quality of her role in ME3 but then I see posts where people complain about Jacob and Thanes' roles in ME3 and I feel that I should be thankful that Miri's role in ME3 wasn't worse. I also happen to be a big fan of Grunt and Samara and lord knows these two didn't exactly get an awful lot of screen time.

[kookie28]

Skullheart wrote...


And for screen, this is my fav (Mona Lisa smile)

My favorite.

[ThomGau]

That enigmatic smile

In a sense, I think Legion is the luckiest ME2 exclusive, he appeared quite late in ME2 thus was more like an easter-egg than an important character to the plot but it is in ME3. This little robot made its way.

[jtav]

I'd cheerfully change places with Thane. He dies at Leng's hand, but he defeats Leng in a truly badass cutscene and you know the only reason he was mortally wounded was that he was already dying.

[kookie28]

You guys are making me wanna play ME2 again.

[ThomGau]

@kookie28: tell me about it !

@jtav: let's admit she and Thane could switch roles, indeed she would heal her injuries quite fast as opposed to him. Then she could play a bigger part regarding the Cerberus arc.

Modifié par ThomGau, 01 avril 2012 - 02:17 .

[jtav]

Hah! Touche.

But I'd have been thrilled with her getting a role like Legion's even if it ended the same way. Miranda Lawson, the hero who found a way to reverse indoctrination and transform Cerberus back into the organization she believed it was.

[wright1978]

Well does get screentime which is good its just her arc is so lacking taking advantage of the potential. So yeah it is hard to complain because of the treatment some other characters got.
It's just it could even be tweaked to make it work so much better imo. The ex cerberus team should be introduced at citadel meet and she's leading them against Cerberus and that's why she doesn't join. Then later introduce the Oriana abduction. Sanctuary and then some resolution of Cerberus arc at TIM base. Professional and personal would then be balanced alot better imo.

[cbutz]

Yea it could have been worse. I like your list of events. Throw in a cabin li scene and id be more than satisfied.

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

About Tweeting our wishlist and recommandations regarding Miranda's role to a few devs. Flemm told me some of us have already started so I wanted to join. We've got nothing to lose.

Thanks, Thom

wright1978 wrote...
It's just it could even be tweaked to make it work so much better imo. The ex cerberus team should be introduced at citadel meet and she's leading them against Cerberus and that's why she doesn't join. Then later introduce the Oriana abduction. Sanctuary and then some resolution of Cerberus arc at TIM base. Professional and personal would then be balanced alot better imo.

Agreed as to how it should be/should have been reworked.

Modifié par flemm, 01 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ieldra]

wright1978 wrote...
It's just it could even be tweaked to make it work so much better imo. The ex cerberus team should be introduced at citadel meet and she's leading them against Cerberus and that's why she doesn't join. Then later introduce the Oriana abduction. Sanctuary and then some resolution of Cerberus arc at TIM base. Professional and personal would then be balanced alot better imo.

That wouldn't have been hard to do at all, indeed.

The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between the way Miranda was handled and the ending. Instead of trying to do justice to the character and the themes of the ME universe, they chose to "keep it simple". Unfortunately, keeping it simple has disastrous results with a character with several defining traits like Miranda and a universe as complex as the ME universe.

[jtav]

And Miranda could have provided a much needed middle way between the hidebound Council and TIM's recklessness cruelty. A passionate principled idealist not content with the status quo, but who does have ethics.

[o Ventus]

I know I'm late, but everyone was posting pictures. Here's my favorite.

http://browse.devian...set=24#/d4s7iiy

(The hell, still can't post pictures)

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

I'd cheerfully change places with Thane. He dies at Leng's hand, but he defeats Leng

No, he does not. That talk about a terminally ill drell stopping Kai Leng is simply not true. 
After Leng kills Thane, what exactly stops him from just walking over the corpse and kill Valern?
Shepard. And where was Shepard when Thane appeared? In the exact same position. The writers screwed up.
If they wanted to actually make it look like Thane or Kirrahe were essential, they should have placed Shepard too far away to reach the Councilor before Leng kills him.
As it stands, the situation makes no sense. Shepard either just stands there and watches Valern/Kirrahe get shot or he sits back, eats some popcorn and watch Thane and Leng going at it.

and you know the only reason he was mortally wounded was that he was already dying.

I contest that. One good punch does not decide a fight.

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between the way Miranda was handled and the ending. Instead of trying to do justice to the character and the themes of the ME universe, they chose to "keep it simple". Unfortunately, keeping it simple has disastrous results with a character with several defining traits like Miranda and a universe as complex as the ME universe.

Yeah I feel the same way too...they used the plot hook of her father working for Cerberus to get Miranda to
a. Deal with him once and for all (something most of us wanted to happen)
b. Have that connection to Cerberus (father working with TIM)
c. Contributing to Cerberus downfall (Bug planted on Kai Leng) -- this to me seems a little weak but is the cheapest way out for them to say: "Yeah she contributed now it's up to Shepard"  Having her leave after that (little dialog here) would save them the trouble of implementing something similar to what they did for the Genophage and Geth/Quarian war (which would have been IMO a good idea)
d. Show that she's still independant: She takes on that area herself with Reapers and Kai Leng there

Her whoile arc has small mentions of Cerberus such as "the many assassins after her" line, the aftermath of leaving TIM ("Contain the situation")  this was done to show that yes there's still the Miranda from ME2 there (tough, independant, etc) but it's overshadowed by the Oriana issue.

The mission was also 'safe'..meaning they had someone who could progress the story if MIranda died in the SM (Oriana).  That way they didn't have to come up with a new character as replacement (like they did with Brynn for Jacob's mission)

A question:
Wouldn't it have been easier to get Oriana to change her look and name?  It seemed to have worked for Kelly...

Also, they could have made her worry about Oriana later in the story and have the first conversation (and half of the second conversation) about other things like the war, Cerberus: extended look as to what she thinks of the organization now (instead of that simple comment we got: "He said it had been a pleasure to work with you" and "Contain the situation").  Working there for 20 years and having no thoughts on leaving (Jacob actually gets that if you ask him about leaving Cerberus and he's just a grunt...) is just odd to me..

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[outmane]

Jafryn wrote...

Heh, number 10 is how Orianna should have looked in game.

Totally.

[o Ventus]

[quote]The Grey Nayr wrote...[/quote]

[quote]She helps you find the Illusive Man's headquarters and then lends her assistance to building the Crucible.[/quote][/quote]

She does not do the second. Officially, she isn't a member of either Hammer or Sword, or the Crucible technicians. She's supposed to be a fighter pilot, leading her own squadron, right? Then why is she standing up during her conversation on Earth? Is that how they fly in the future? 

[quote]There's nothing about her that could make a real difference in the battle other than being another gun between you and the Reapers.[/quote]

There are a number of things wrong with this statement. I'll leave you to figure them out.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[Vertigo_1]

Good news!

Yannkee and I have gotten Miranda's Flashback to work if you want to replace Joker flashback during the final sequence (instead of Liara's).

social.bioware.com/project/8056/ (instructions are the same, just replacing Joker's flashback with Miranda's)

social.bioware.com/project/8056/#files (File uploaded here, it's the same video from before, looking to getting an ME3 one soon)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[Skullheart]

Thanks Vertigo and Yankee.

And this might be too much to ask, but can you do three different flashbacks?
To replace Joker, Anderson and Liara with three flashbacks of Miranda, I mean imagine this: the first flashback when Shepard wakes up on Lazarus station, the second when Miranda cries after talking to Oriana and the third the eye wink.

Modifié par Skullheart, 01 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

Thanks Vertigo and Yankee.

And this might be too much to ask, but can you do three different flashbacks?
To replace Joker, Anderson and Liara with three flashbacks of Miranda, I mean imagine this: the first flashback when Shepard wakes up on Lazarus station, the second when Miranda cries after talking to Oriana and the third the eye wink.

Do want.

[jtav]

I'm holding out for a flashback with a ME3 clip.

[Lawrence0294]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Good news!

Yannkee and I have gotten Miranda's Flashback to work if you want to replace Joker flashback during the final sequence (instead of Liara's).

social.bioware.com/project/8056/ (instructions are the same, just replacing Joker's flashback with Miranda's)

social.bioware.com/project/8056/#files (File uploaded here, it's the same video from before, looking to getting an ME3 one soon)

Dammit it's such a shame  i can't do it for ps3 

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...
To replace Joker, Anderson and Liara with three flashbacks of Miranda, I mean imagine this: the first flashback when Shepard wakes up on Lazarus station, the second when Miranda cries after talking to Oriana and the third the eye wink.

LoL, yes, this is what I want

[ThomGau]

This would be great. Not that I hate Anderson or Joker but three flashbacks of Miranda is definitely better. Perhaps this would make me appreciate the endings for five seconds

Modifié par ThomGau, 01 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[TheHugonaut]

What do you all think of organizing a Facebook page and uniform petition, beyond the tweets? We should make a push for additional Miranda content in DLC (ending or otherwise) that's released. I think the original list of comments/requests is really good. 

If I've missed such an attempt, apologies - new to this thread!