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[o Ventus]

ThomGau wrote...

It's sad but true but I think you're right flemm
The last conversations with all the squadmates you fought beside and your LI is really the only thing really emotional and worth doing at this point of the game. Then space magic happens.

Even though it's all autodialogue, Miranda's talk on Earth makes me kind of sad, in more ways than one.

Same with Garrus'.

Then I'm made even more sad due to Bioware effectively rendering all 3 games pointless over the span of 4 and-a-half minutes.

[Lawrence0294]

ThomGau wrote...

It's sad but true but I think you're right flemm
The last conversations with all the squadmates you fought beside and your LI is pretty much the only thing really emotional and worth doing at this point of the game. Then space magic happens.

Marauder shields tried to save us 

[enayasoul]

You know if you try to back shepard up and retreat... instead of going towards the beam, I got a critical failure mission. ROFL. I was like wow...

[o Ventus]

I'm considering fleshing out Oriana in this story I'm writing. I've narrowed down the options to two main personality types (Since we don't hear enough of Oriana to gauge how she acts). The "normal" girl (Somewhat naive, doesn't understand Cerberus or the Reapers as much as Shepard and Miranda do) or "Miranda-lite" (Cunning and savvy, mature, mentally durable).

I'm liking #2 more, but I wanted input.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[ThomGau]

@kratos0294: You forgot his pals the Three Husketeers.

@jtav: I haven't heard those logs but I imagined Miranda and Leng were rivals, yes, they must hate each other which is also why it is annoying not to be able to witness her fight against him at Sanctuary.

Modifié par ThomGau, 01 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[cbutz]

It did seem like they were concerned by her. and yes I did notice her hatred for him and vice versa.. all the more reason to include her in the Cerberus HQ base to kill Kai Leng

[Prudii Aden]

o Ventus wrote...

I'm considering fleshing out Oriana in this story I'm writing. I've narrowed down the options to two main personality types (Since we don't hear enough of Oriana to gauge how she acts). The "normal" girl (Somewhat naive, doesn't understand Cerberus or the Reapers as much as Shepard and Miranda do) or "Miranda-lite" (Cunning and savvy, mature, mentally durable).

I'm liking #2 more, but I wanted input.

I'd go for #2, only if there's a genetic disposition towards being a savvy, cunning and interesting individual, albeit with a different perspective than Miranda. Oriana is likely to be less jaded than Miranda as she's not had to deal with as much of the underbelly of society than Miranda, and believe me, dealing with the underbelly of society on a regular basis does effect your perception of society whether you want it to or not.

[hot_heart]

Hi, guys. Complete newcomer here. Glad to see such a massive topic on the character! How about a massive introductory post?

Was never really interested in Miranda before ME2 came out but that great introduction with those quips ("Not anymore", "Probably a little too soon if you ask Wilson", "Or two, in your case.") and Yvonne Strahovski's brilliant voice-acting won me over in an instant. Fell in love with that accent.

I've sort of been lurking the past few days and seeing the discussion. It does seem a bit annoying that such an integral character was given a reduced role. From how hard it is to get her killed in ME2, and her role as a love interest, I figured she'd be a dead cert for squadmate status in ME3. Although, I can kinda see what the writers were going for. It's kinda refreshing to see that sort of long distance relationship in a game. I can't think of a game that's done that before, and the situation is as painful as you could imagine. Especially that ending. Yikes...

Part of the reason I decided to post here is that I figured you guys were the best people to get some feedback on something I've been writing. My actual background is in scriptwriting, and I still work at that, but I'm looking to expand into literature as well. Seems to be a better route for seeing your work come to fruition.

Anyway, I've never written fan-fiction before and it's not something I plan on doing again, but the discussion sort of inspired me to set myself an exercise related to an original idea I've been developing. This would just be something I could find myself motivated to see through and, hopefully, something from which I could learn.

The basic concept is that it explores what a 'romanced Miranda' was doing post-ME2 and during ME3, from a first-person-perspective. Rather than trying to get BioWare to change what they've done, I decided to set myself a challenge and work with what's there. My line of thought is that, having left Cerberus, Miranda has taken a huge risk; both personally and professionally. They'd given her responsibility, purpose and freedom but now all that's gone. She doesn't have any friends to whom she can turn, and can assume that reaching out to contacts brings its own dangers. Leaving Cerberus seems akin to betraying an intelligence service who won't hesitate to pursue you (considering 'a lot' of assassins are after her). There's also the fact that Cerberus had helped her relocate Oriana, meaning another uprooting of the whole family, so she'd probably feel a bit guilty and worried there. She's still strong and independent, even going so far as to not trouble Shepard with her personal problems. That's just the most 'positive' interpretation of what the hell the writers were thinking.

Before I ramble on anymore, here's a link to what I have so far. Any feedback's welcome, moreso with regards to the general readability as I'm fairly new to this way of writing. I did have to spend half an hour researching locations to which she could even go!

I'll leave it there for now, rather than flood my first post with too much stuff...

[ThomGau]

cbutz wrote...

It did seem like they were concerned by her. and yes I did notice her hatred for him and vice versa.. all the more reason to include her in the Cerberus HQ base to kill Kai Leng

Wait, by Kai Leng's logs, do you guys mean the few vids with have along Sanctuary "Miranda Lawson has arrived sooner than expected..." ?
I must admit I'm kinda lost there, I may have misunderstood and thought there were over logs somewhere else in the game that I've missed.

And yeah, one more reason to inlude her at TIM's base: it's not just about neutralizing a threat, it's personal.

Modifié par ThomGau, 01 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[Lawrence0294]

hot_heart wrote...

Hi, guys. Complete newcomer here. Glad to see such a massive topic on the character! How about a massive introductory post?

Was never really interested in Miranda before ME2 came out but that great introduction with those quips ("Not anymore", "Probably a little too soon if you ask Wilson", "Or two, in your case.") and Yvonne Strahovski's brilliant voice-acting won me over in an instant. Fell in love with that accent.

I've sort of been lurking the past few days and seeing the discussion. It does seem a bit annoying that such an integral character was given a reduced role. From how hard it is to get her killed in ME2, and her role as a love interest, I figured she'd be a dead cert for squadmate status in ME3. Although, I can kinda see what the writers were going for. It's kinda refreshing to see that sort of long distance relationship in a game. I can't think of a game that's done that before, and the situation is as painful as you could imagine. Especially that ending. Yikes...

Part of the reason I decided to post here is that I figured you guys were the best people to get some feedback on something I've been writing. My actual background is in scriptwriting, and I still work at that, but I'm looking to expand into literature as well. Seems to be a better route for seeing your work come to fruition.

Anyway, I've never written fan-fiction before and it's not something I plan on doing again, but the discussion sort of inspired me to set myself an exercise related to an original idea I've been developing. This would just be something I could find myself motivated to see through and, hopefully, something from which I could learn.

The basic concept is that it explores what a 'romanced Miranda' was doing post-ME2 and during ME3, from a first-person-perspective. Rather than trying to get BioWare to change what they've done, I decided to set myself a challenge and work with what's there. My line of thought is that, having left Cerberus, Miranda has taken a huge risk; both personally and professionally. They'd given her responsibility, purpose and freedom but now all that's gone. She doesn't have any friends to whom she can turn, and can assume that reaching out to contacts brings its own dangers. Leaving Cerberus seems akin to betraying an intelligence service who won't hesitate to pursue you (considering 'a lot' of assassins are after her). There's also the fact that Cerberus had helped her relocate Oriana, meaning another uprooting of the whole family, so she'd probably feel a bit guilty and worried there. She's still strong and independent, even going so far as to not trouble Shepard with her personal problems. That's just the most 'positive' interpretation of what the hell the writers were thinking.

Before I ramble on anymore, here's a link to what I have so far. Any feedback's welcome, moreso with regards to the general readability as I'm fairly new to this way of writing. I did have to spend half an hour researching locations to which she could even go!

I'll leave it there for now, rather than flood my first post with too much stuff...

Welcome, it's always awesome to have more people posting here :happy:. i red your stuff and i think the idea is amazing, really interesting so keep going it's really cool 

[Roxpanda1690]

I wonder if they'll ever fix the flash back issue at the end of the game for the X Box... I'm tired of looking at Liara and not Miranda at the end of the game or anyone other then Liara that is... Any way been while guys

Modifié par Roxpanda1690, 02 avril 2012 - 12:23 .

[jtav]

There are logs on TIM's base.

[o Ventus]

Prudii Aden wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I'm considering fleshing out Oriana in this story I'm writing. I've narrowed down the options to two main personality types (Since we don't hear enough of Oriana to gauge how she acts). The "normal" girl (Somewhat naive, doesn't understand Cerberus or the Reapers as much as Shepard and Miranda do) or "Miranda-lite" (Cunning and savvy, mature, mentally durable).

I'm liking #2 more, but I wanted input.

I'd go for #2, only if there's a genetic disposition towards being a savvy, cunning and interesting individual, albeit with a different perspective than Miranda. Oriana is likely to be less jaded than Miranda as she's not had to deal with as much of the underbelly of society than Miranda, and believe me, dealing with the underbelly of society on a regular basis does effect your perception of society whether you want it to or not.

The idea being Oriana was just as clever as Miranda, what with being her genetic twin. The catch being Oriana is, as you said, less familiar with Miranda's particular brand of shadiness.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I finally got around to listening to Leng's video log. Does anyone else get the sense that he hates her and vice versa. I also like that she's treated as a threat and he and TIM speak as if their work was what drew attention to the place, not Ori.

Yes, the line "It will be a pleasure sir" does make it sound like he hates her guts (I think he hates her just as much as Shepard for leaving Cerberus).

The Lazarus ones are good too, I like how the scientists basically give up on it, while Miranda disagrees and says she can do it.

Would have been nice to see her there talking about the project instead of some scientist though...

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

I finally got around to listening to Leng's video log. Does anyone else get the sense that he hates her and vice versa. I also like that she's treated as a threat and he and TIM speak as if their work was what drew attention to the place, not Ori.

I wonder if they ever had to work together in the past. Or perhaps they were TIM's top two agents, the only difference being the fact that you can send Miranda off on a mission and not have to worry about her killing everything that gets in her way. Leng's kept on a short leash and he doesn't really seem to like it.

If there was an intended rivalry between Miranda and Leng I think it would be pretty awesome if she brought up the fact that Leng would be confined to a wheelchair without the cybernetics she developed.

[o Ventus]

Roxpanda1690 wrote...

I wonder if they'll ever fix the flash back issue at the end of the game for the X Box... I'm tired of looking at Liara and not Miranda at the end of the game or anyone other then Liara that is... Any way been while guys

Out of all the friends, family, and loved ones Shepard can think about at that second, he decides to reminisce about Liara instead of the woman he loves.

What a thoughtful guy, eh?

[enayasoul]

I get the feeling they baited her to Sanctuary... They knew from other "cerberus" officers? that she was looking for Oriana... what better way to "lead" Miranda to them? Just speculation on my part but seems like they knew she would be coming... maybe? Thoughts?

[o Ventus]

enayasoul wrote...

I get the feeling they baited her to Sanctuary... They knew from other "cerberus" officers? that she was looking for Oriana... what better way to "lead" Miranda to them? Just speculation on my part but seems like they knew she would be coming... maybe? Thoughts?

I don't doubt that the thought crossed Henry's mind.

[MisterJB]

Leading an enemy to your operations base it's too risky, especially when you add the volatile element of thousands of refugees. They would want to lead Miranda into a trap that they would set up very far away from Sanctuary just in case it failed.

[Roxpanda1690]

o Ventus wrote...

Roxpanda1690 wrote...

I wonder if they'll ever fix the flash back issue at the end of the game for the X Box... I'm tired of looking at Liara and not Miranda at the end of the game or anyone other then Liara that is... Any way been while guys

Out of all the friends, family, and loved ones Shepard can think about at that second, he decides to reminisce about Liara instead of the woman he loves.

What a thoughtful guy, eh?

Yeah very thoughtful ....<_<

Any way I Noticed on my third yes took me till my third play through of mass effect 3 that Miranda places a tracer on Kai Leng to help you find the Illusive man... When you end up at the base where Miranda stood at the beginning of Mass Effect 2 so why couldn't  she just tell you where to go... Probably just another plothole

[jtav]

The base is mobile. TIM moves it every time an operative comes aboard.

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

The base is mobile. TIM moves it every time an operative comes aboard.

I don't think I need to mention just how idiotic I think that sounds (Even though I know it's true), for a number of reasons.

He seems fine hoarding his small army there though, so his standards must have laxed.

[MisterJB]

Such as?

edit: His army is composed of indrocrinated slaves. Of course there's no problem with them being there.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

Such as?

My reasons?

1. Like I said, he's fine with hoarding an army there, but he bothers to move it when one of his high-level agents comes aboard? @your edit: Some of his high level agents are indoctrinated too, but he still moves it. See: Kai Leng.

2. It's highly impractical. The fuel costs for moving an entire base of that size to a whole 'nother star system must be staggering. Not to mention, how does he find all of the identical looking dying stars? How does he move it around without anyone noticing? If he takes it through a relay, it would be recorded (As shown by Liara's log on relay traffic)

Those are only 2 reasons.

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 avril 2012 - 01:23 .