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[MisterJB]

o Ventus wrote...
1. Like I said, he's fine with hoarding an army there, but he bothers to move it when one of his high-level agents comes aboard?

The army is recent and composed of indocrinated slaves. They're not going to betray him.
An agent like Miranda on the other hand...

2. It's highly impractical. The fuel costs for moving an entire base of that size to a whole 'nother star system must be staggering. Not to mention, how does he find all of the identical looking dying stars?

Only six agents, Miranda and Leng included, have ever been allowed inside the station. With the exception of the absolute zealots that live on it, of course. Therefore, he probrably doesn't have to move it frequently.

Also, he doesn't need to move it into another system. The galaxy map the Normandy travels through gives us a wrong notion but a star system is enormous. If you would like to have a notion, notice how the station is almost invisible, hidden by the light of the dying sun.
He just has to move Cronos to a different location inside the same system and it will be almost impossible to find with anything short of a full Alliance fleet.

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o Ventus wrote...
Some of his high level agents are indoctrinated too, but he still moves it. See: Kai Leng.

Kai Leng wasn't indocrinated in "Retribution". Wether he does move it every time Leng leaves in ME3, it is anyone's guess.

How does he move it around without anyone noticing? If he takes it through a relay, it would be recorded (As shown by Liara's log on relay traffic)

Unless I'm mistaken, Liara's logs only showed that the relays had been used, not the size of the objects using them.
As long as he stays out of relays close to major colonies or homeworlds, he should be fine. No one is monitoring every relay in the galaxy 24/7.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[Td1984]

kratos0294 wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

It's sad but true but I think you're right flemm
The last conversations with all the squadmates you fought beside and your LI is pretty much the only thing really emotional and worth doing at this point of the game. Then space magic happens.

Marauder shields tried to save us 

Marauder Shields = Nihlus. The trilogy came full circle.

Modifié par Td1984, 02 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[o Ventus]

Td1984 wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

It's sad but true but I think you're right flemm
The last conversations with all the squadmates you fought beside and your LI is pretty much the only thing really emotional and worth doing at this point of the game. Then space magic happens.

Marauder shields tried to save us 

Marauder Shields = Nihlus. The trilogy came full circle.

"Told you that mission would be bigger than we thought."

[jtav]

Do you think Miranda would face any official or unofficial reprisals for her past? Defector or no, she was Cerberus 2IC. In RL, she's the type of person who would be made an example of because the real villain is unavailable.

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

Do you think Miranda would face any official or unofficial reprisals for her past? Defector or no, she was Cerberus 2IC. In RL, she's the type of person who would be made an example of because the real villain is unavailable.

Official, no, what with the galaxy being in shambles.

If she were to face a trial, I'm 99.99% certain Shepard would use his/her "I just saved your asses" authority and give her a good word to reduce or abstain her sentence. Even as 2IC, there's no indication she knew of Cerberus' cruelest experiments (Teltin, Overlord, etc), and she defected before they went full-on over the edge with Sanctuary and Benning.

At least, I know my Shepard will bail her out.

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 avril 2012 - 01:51 .

[MisterJB]

The Council along with all other alien governments would probrably demand the heads of anyone who ever wore the black and gold and most of the Alliance would be more than happy to indulge them.

However, admirals like Hackett might realize she can be extremely useful to humanity. That she left Cerberus very early in the war (or even before it) and was instrumental in defeating it along with Shepard's good word would all play in her favor.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I finally got around to listening to Leng's video log. Does anyone else get the sense that he hates her and vice versa. I also like that she's treated as a threat and he and TIM speak as if their work was what drew attention to the place, not Ori.

Shades of what might/should have been. It's odd, though, that the main dialogues seem to manifest a sort of disconnect with the video log and the recordings of Miranda on Sanctuary.

Written and recorded at different stages, I suppose.

Modifié par flemm, 02 avril 2012 - 01:56 .

[jtav]

Honestly, I'm less worried about a trial proper than a lynch mob of pissed off aliens who remember exactly what Cerberus was like even before the war. And Miranda as 2IC would be the one to shoulder the blame.

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I finally got around to listening to Leng's video log. Does anyone else get the sense that he hates her and vice versa. I also like that she's treated as a threat and he and TIM speak as if their work was what drew attention to the place, not Ori.

Shades of what might/should have been. It's odd, though, that the main dialogues seem to manifest a sort of disconnect with the video log and the recordings of Miranda on Sanctuary.

Written and recorded at different stages, I suppose.

And TIM's base was written by Weekes.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

And TIM's base was written by Weekes.

Was it? Interesting.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Honestly, I'm less worried about a trial proper than a lynch mob of pissed off aliens who remember exactly what Cerberus was like even before the war. And Miranda as 2IC would be the one to shoulder the blame.

I'm really not. For one thing, it's not as if major beef between alien races is limited to Cerberus (think of the genophage as an example).

Also, whatever anyone may think about Cerberus, Miranda (1) resurrected Shepard, the galaxy's savior, (2) was instrumental in defeating the Collectors and (3) contributed in a big way to taking down Cerberus + fought against the Reapers along with a bunch of other ex-Cerberus agents.

So, she would remain a controversial figure, doubtless, but her contributions to allowing anyone at all to survive the Reaper threat are extremely significant and would counterbalance that.

Modifié par flemm, 02 avril 2012 - 02:34 .

[Td1984]

jtav wrote...

Honestly, I'm less worried about a trial proper than a lynch mob of pissed off aliens who remember exactly what Cerberus was like even before the war. And Miranda as 2IC would be the one to shoulder the blame.

Since Thomas took the Synthesis ending and once all the Relays and Comm Buoys are repaired, has Harby on "speed dial" on his Omni-Tool, he'll threaten to call Harby and company back to finish what they started if they even so much as touch Miranda.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...
Do you think Miranda would face any official or unofficial reprisals for her past? Defector or no, she was Cerberus 2IC. In RL, she's the type of person who would be made an example of because the real villain is unavailable.

Hard to say, officially she helped out in the war effort and there isn't much on her. The Shadow Broker e-mail suggests that while she and her squad aren't officially sanctioned by the Alliance they're not going to do anything to stop them. Cronus Station, possibly the only non-Shadow Broker source for information on her is currently a debris field so unless agents who knew her start talking there might not be any official reprisal.

Plus there's the fact that the Alliance and most other major governments are pretty much out of commission after the war, so there aren't going to be many witch hunts going on while everyone's trying to get a grasp of what's going on in the galaxy.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 02 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[goofyomnivore]

I think there would suspension pointed at her by some Alliance officials(Kahlee Sanders comes to my mind). However it wouldn't ever manifest into anything serious. Hackett trusts Shepard's judgment, and Miranda was recommended by Shepard, so I don't see anyone really pushing a successful agenda against her. Since I assume Hackett is fully behind her like Shepard is. I doubt anyone in the Alliance is going to go against Hackett's wishes, and the aliens wouldn't even know about her unless it was from Hackett or Liara -- I doubt either will snitch.

[MisterJB]

strive wrote...
 the aliens wouldn't even know about her unless it was from Hackett or Liara -- I doubt either will snitch.

The turians maybe. But what are the odds of the STG not having a file on Miranda somewhere?

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...
Was anyone else (Who read pre-release spoilers or was on NG+) a little disheartened after Miranda's final talk on Earth? Specifically, the "find me" bit?

Indeed. I've posted another ending thread yesterday after I finishe my second playthrough complaining about how this game gets our hopes up, only to stab us in the back in the end.

This is the first game I've ever seen that required mentally extending the ending to be bearable. 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I finally got around to listening to Leng's video log. Does anyone else get the sense that he hates her and vice versa. I also like that she's treated as a threat and he and TIM speak as if their work was what drew attention to the place, not Ori.

If only she had a fighting scene with Kai Leng. That she can't take him out is not unexpected, but that we only see her beaten-up is dissappointing. About TIM, yeah. But it's too little, too late.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...
I'm considering fleshing out Oriana in this story I'm writing. I've narrowed down the options to two main personality types (Since we don't hear enough of Oriana to gauge how she acts). The "normal" girl (Somewhat naive, doesn't understand Cerberus or the Reapers as much as Shepard and Miranda do) or "Miranda-lite" (Cunning and savvy, mature, mentally durable).

I'm liking #2 more, but I wanted input.

I think it would be best to make Oriana start out a little naive, but quickly adapt to the situation. She may not know all about Cerberus or Miranda's former association with them, but she would've gotten that Miranda has secrets and she would've tried to find out more. She'd be smart and courageous, but inexperienced. 

[kookie28]

I get the feeling nothing will get "fixed" and Mass Effect 3 will be a punchline for a very long time.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...
Before I ramble on anymore, here's a link to what I have so far. Any feedback's welcome, moreso with regards to the general readability as I'm fairly new to this way of writing. I did have to spend half an hour researching locations to which she could even go!

I'll leave it there for now, rather than flood my first post with too much stuff...

An interesting idea. The setup and details of the Illium scenes look promising, and I like the funny bits in-between. "A name for a blonde", LOL. The speech patterns , however, do not sound like I would imagine Miranda to sound while teling her story. For instance "I hate that name" sounds like something Joker would say, not Miranda. Also longer sentences would probably be better. This staccato of short sentences sounds unlike Miranda. The speech patterns give the story an odd, unreal quality.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...
2. It's highly impractical. The fuel costs for moving an entire base of that size to a whole 'nother star system must be staggering. Not to mention, how does he find all of the identical looking dying stars? How does he move it around without anyone noticing? If he takes it through a relay, it would be recorded (As shown by Liara's log on relay traffic)

(1) Fuel's not really a problem. Eezo and Newton's first law make sure that very little fuel is needed to move anything anywhere in this universe, provided it has an ME core. A dreadnought's combat maneuvers in a single battle likely use up more fuel than TIM's space station in its whole lifetime.

(2) it's not clear that TIM moves his base *every* time an external operative comes on board.  

(3) He just needs to change the orbit around the star in most cases. Finding an object less than a kilometer in size in a star system is not a trivial task if you don't know where to look.

[ThomGau]

jtav wrote...

There are logs on TIM's base.

Thanks I'll look into it. How the hell did I miss those  ?

[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
An interesting idea. The setup and details of the Illium scenes look promising, and I like the funny bits in-between. "A name for a blonde", LOL. The speech patterns , however, do not sound like I would imagine Miranda to sound while teling her story. For instance "I hate that name" sounds like something Joker would say, not Miranda. Also longer sentences would probably be better. This staccato of short sentences sounds unlike Miranda. The speech patterns give the story an odd, unreal quality.

Thanks for taking the time to read it. I was a little worried that it seems a bit too laconic. I'm a fan of the style but I'm not sure it works for the character. It's supposed to convey lots of little thoughts, although maybe that sounds much closer to Mordin.

Problem is, if she's 'on the run', why is she still wearing Cerberus colours?

[ProfessionalNoob]

Modifié par ProfessionalNoob, 02 avril 2012 - 01:51 .

[flemm]

kookie28 wrote...

I get the feeling nothing will get "fixed" and Mass Effect 3 will be a punchline for a very long time.

It will be tough to undo the damage in any event. Reason being partly that even "fixing" it to an extent will not eliminate the stigma. The more they change it, the more they admit the original ending was crap, the more it looks like they're caving in, etc.

Also, good endings don't just materialize out of nowhere, they flow naturally from what has previously happened (ideally while retaining a "surprise" element). If they couldn't make that happen before, I doubt they will now.  

Modifié par flemm, 02 avril 2012 - 12:42 .