Modifié par MisterJB, 02 avril 2012 - 04:43 .
Really? You don't care that the entire Mass Effect universe down to the last detail has been undone, invalidated, or just generally flat-out contradicted? What they did to Miranda is peanuts compared to that. Even if Miranda's role had been perfect, the RGB makes it all moot. My caring about Miranda (and anything else in the series) was never just about the games, but rather the ability to continue the story in my own head. RGB incapacitated that pretty well.MisterJB wrote...
Personally, I couldn't care less about RGB.
Oh sure, it's not how I wanted the game to end but all of it seems so very distant compared with Miranda's role in ME3.
My number one wish is for Bioware to fix it and, by extent, create a true storyarc for Cerberus. And I won't get it.
edit: Also, I get the feeling we would be disheartened if we heard anything about what happened to Miranda after the final battle.
Chances are Bioware killed Miranda now that player agency is not there to save her.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Really? You don't care that the entire Mass Effect universe down to the last detail has been undone, invalidated, or just generally flat-out contradicted? What they did to Miranda is peanuts compared to that. Even if Miranda's role had been perfect, the RGB makes it all moot. My caring about Miranda (and anything else in the series) was never just about the games, but rather the ability to continue the story in my own head. RGB incapacitated that pretty well.MisterJB wrote...
Personally, I couldn't care less about RGB.
Oh sure, it's not how I wanted the game to end but all of it seems so very distant compared with Miranda's role in ME3.
My number one wish is for Bioware to fix it and, by extent, create a true storyarc for Cerberus. And I won't get it.
edit: Also, I get the feeling we would be disheartened if we heard anything about what happened to Miranda after the final battle.
Chances are Bioware killed Miranda now that player agency is not there to save her.
Doesn't matter if you're interested in it or not, it still needs to exist in a recognizable form in order to have Miranda in the first place. As for fixing it, I've already pointed out the difficulties. The problems with Miranda in ME3 were largely of omission. They didn't just nullify everything you loved about it. Harder to come back from that, than to just add the missing bitsjtav wrote...
Given the choice, I'd rather fix Miranda. I'm not that interested in the larger universe, and I've already patched the ending to my satisfaction.
Continuing the story was always something that was only going to happen in my mind. I can do it because of the endings or in spite of them and there's no limits to what I can conjure up. And I do like Synthesis.CrutchCricket wrote...
Really? You don't care that the entire Mass Effect universe down to the last detail has been undone, invalidated, or just generally flat-out contradicted? What they did to Miranda is peanuts compared to that. Even if Miranda's role had been perfect, the RGB makes it all moot. My caring about Miranda (and anything else in the series) was never just about the games, but rather the ability to continue the story in my own head. RGB incapacitated that pretty well.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Really? You don't care that the entire Mass Effect universe down to the last detail has been undone, invalidated, or just generally flat-out contradicted? What they did to Miranda is peanuts compared to that. Even if Miranda's role had been perfect, the RGB makes it all moot. My caring about Miranda (and anything else in the series) was never just about the games, but rather the ability to continue the story in my own head. RGB incapacitated that pretty well.
Why the underlined? If you do plan on continuing the story on your own you could make her queen of the whole damn galaxy. Of course, provided there is a galaxy still worth ruling.MisterJB wrote...
Continuing the story was always something that was only going to happen in my mind. I can do it because of the endings or in spite of them and there's no limits to what I can conjure up. And I do like Synthesis.
However, this is it for Miranda. Mass Effect 3 is the last time she will have any kind of importance in the ME universe and my enjoyment of the game depends largely on what kind of role she plays.
Since I am already forced to ignore or attempt to fix in my mind most of what happens in ME3, I have no reason to be bothered by doing the same to the endings.
I care about the extended universe but I'm much more interested in Miranda in ME3.
Modifié par DanteImprimis, 02 avril 2012 - 05:32 .
Given the deliberately cruel treatment of other characters, I can only agree. If Miranda was on the team, she would now be stranded on that f******* primitve Garden Eden world they tried to sell us as a "hopeful" place to end up in. That's what the writers' attention got the team members. Under those circumstances, is it any surprise that we are wary of attention being drawn to Miranda?jtav wrote...
Right now, I have a Miranda I can imagine alive and a means for a Shep I can respect to return to her. I'm frightened DLC will take that away.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 avril 2012 - 05:26 .
Not exactly. Setting and characters each have their own importances but I would never claim they're equal. The longevity of any series cannot be based on any character or group of characters but rather on the world itself, how well is it designed, how much there is to explore, how open it is to that sort of thing. Perfect example: Star Wars. There's only so much you can do with Luke, Han and Leia or Vader and Palpatine. But the EU itself spans more than 5000 years. 5000 years of exploring an entire galaxy, which can lead to a limitless number of interesting characters to care about.Visii wrote...
If only half of the ME universe, the other half is the characters. And when that's not up to par, when Bioware doesn't live up to their reputation as the HBO of video games, as the master of storytelling AND characterzation, well... complaints about the characters are just as valid as complaints about the story.
Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 avril 2012 - 05:29 .
What vague hints? I didn't see any. What I saw is an ending open to a lot of headcanon if you don't mind a little more space magic. But hints?Skullheart wrote...
- Vague hints about Shepard future in Synthesis.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 avril 2012 - 05:31 .
Modifié par Visii, 02 avril 2012 - 05:43 .
The world was fine until the last five minutes. And the game we have now happens on said world. That is completely fine. And it's a lot easier to ignore five minutes than the rest of the game.CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm not downplaying the importance of fixing Miranda's role. I'm saying prioritize. Fixing the world is a higher priority. Do that first and then fix the characters.
flemm wrote...
ThomGau wrote...
I'm still curious to find out what the writers will do about explaining the endings but what's done is done, I don't think much will change.
Mostly I expect some effort to fill plot holes and explain what happens to characters, etc.
The other thing they might try, I guess, that would be more extreme, would be adding an ending. But... that could get very ridiculous very quickly. So they're probably better off cutting their losses and just accepting the sad reality.
Ok, here's another example: Prototype. And actually, just for kicks, let's take its Competing Title brother, inFamous.Visii wrote...
I would claim they're equal.
If every character in mass effect was a shallow, one-dimensional caricature, there's no use exploring the world if the viewer/reader/gamer has no interest in the characters that inhabit it. If the characters are written poorly, that has a ripple effect through the world they inhabit and the story as a whole.
No one is claiming that these character fixes should come first. We're just saying that some feedback should be addressed. The Retake movement has enough followers.
Yeah, except the last five minutes completely destroy the entire world. Kind of hard to ignore.MisterJB wrote...
The world was fine until the last five minutes. And the game we have now happens on said world. That is completely fine. And it's a lot easier to ignore five minutes than the rest of the game.
So, fix the characters now so that fans can enjoy the game they have now and then, if you are going to do a ME4, worry about fixing the world.
lol, exactly. This is turning into the same type of discussion as Miranda's VO vs Miranda's characterization. Both are important. But we shouldn't be arguing over which to sacrifice. We should be demanding both (or at least asking very politely and rationally;))kookie28 wrote...
I wish throwing money at Bioware would fix both problems.
This is like politics. Being overly polite never gets you anything. You don't need to be rude, but you need to be passionate. Or do you think Bioware would have reacted if so many people hadn't said "I feel betrayed. I am so depressed I don't want to play any ME game anymore."CrutchCricket wrote...
lol, exactly. This is turning into the same type of discussion as Miranda's VO vs Miranda's characterization. Both are important. But we shouldn't be arguing over which to sacrifice. We should be demanding both (or at least asking very politely and rationally;))kookie28 wrote...
I wish throwing money at Bioware would fix both problems.
Pfft. What happened to "death is just an annoyance now" and "I can fix it"? I don't see how fixing the endings would necessarily result in Miranda's death. In fact if the prevailing theory that they allowed her to survive to throw us a bone is true, the exact opposite would happen.jtav wrote...
I'd be more passionate if I wasn't worried they'd "fix" things by having Miranda die and dashing my hopes of Matt ever returning and my cool future. So no DLC for me, thanks.
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