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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Then I will do EVERYTHING in my power to keep her safe and alive. I promise you that.

[MisterJB]

We will hold you to that, 101...

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 juillet 2011 - 02:41 .

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/gtez/status/90971345986387968

"I have a small question... The demos that you will show in the ComicCon, are the same that were showed in the E3?"

"Nope!"


So...a new demo it seems will be at Comic Con.

I'm sure MisterJB is happy that it won't be Sur-Kesh again....unless they show an extended part of it!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juillet 2011 - 02:42 .

[jtav]

If she dies for me, it'll be in ME2. There are scenarios where I'd rather see her dead.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

We will hold you to that, 101...

I hope, as my FRIEND, you weren't being sarcastic....

I'm being serious. I do NOT want to find out that Jessie Houston lied to me in the face.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 13 juillet 2011 - 02:50 .

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/gtez/status/90971345986387968

"I have a small question... The demos that you will show in the ComicCon, are the same that were showed in the E3?"

"Nope!"


So...a new demo it seems will be at Comic Con.

Maybe Tuchanka and the Elder Tresher Maw.
Or it could be that one where, supossedly, you can see Miranda. Tough I'm still convinced those guys just mistook Ashley for Miri.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 juillet 2011 - 02:52 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I hope that Miri is shown, SOMEHOW. (In a good way)

[jtav]

I think they mixed them up too.

And Miranda won't die without player input.

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...
Maybe Tuchanka and the Elder Tresher Maw.
Or it could be that one where, supossedly, you can see Miranda. Though I'm still convinced those guys just mistook Ashley for Miri.

I wouldn't put it past them.  See: Vega = Big Ben Sniper, example

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The thing is this: Miranda can't be a "standard" biotic created by eezo exposure in the womb, because she was born in 2150, before the first eezo accident in Singapore in 2151. She can't have been intentionally exposed because the effect of manifesting telekinetic powers in some survivors was discovered only in 2156.

Unless there's a difference between public consumption and what actually happened. Having said that, it would be a difficult thing to tricksey it up without it sounding like a retcon. I mean, conspiracies within the ME universe have happened before... hell, even the Systems Alliance's formation sounds a bit sketchy at times (as in, do you really believe that every country could just get together the way it did just like that?)

The way I figure it is that humans may have discovered biotics some time before they publically 'released' their findings, and this is no different really compared to normal technological development. I mean, look at something like the F-22, that thing would have been sitting on drawing boards for several years before they ever got the funding to actually build one. I think the F-15 was on the drawing board for 20 years before it was built, and if it wasn't the F-15, then I know one 'modern' plane was on the board practically as WW2 (i.e., the birth of the jet age) finished.

I think saying that Miranda 'cant' have been born with biotics because it wasn't until one year later that eezo exposure was first discovered to have an effect to be quite an amazing lack of imagination Ieldra Especially since her father was someone who was quite in bed with Cerberus, which is an organisation that apparently loves nothing more than to discover new edges for human evolution.

To me then, it seems possible that Miranda's predecessor's, including Miranda (and later possibly Oriana), were part of Cerberus' attempts of creating the Nu-Human (which seems to fit in quite well with Mr. X's dreams of a genetic dynasty). Which opens the possibility that Miranda and her sisters could have been the guinea pigs that proved the concept of Eezo exposure in the first place with the results disseminated at more 'appropriate' timings. This I think therefore could tie in with the idea that eezo being the biotic catalyst could have been part of the 'hidden' knowledge of the Prothean beacon apparently found on Mars which jumped human technology forward 200 years.

Perhaps this is why Miranda was kept, because she proved the concept more than anything else, which might mean that Oriana is little more than the proof-of-concept with iterative 'improvements' (such as for example, not being infertile)

As to your point that Cerberus itself didn't exist until something like 2157, then while that may be the case, you can't tell me that a 'solution' (aka; ret-con?) couldn't be found. For example; I would imagine that an organisation like Cerberus probably would have been born whenever the Prothean beacons were found (which may not necessarily be the time they were announced the the general populace). Jack Harper may have founded 'Cerberus', but there was still General Williams and people before that.

Modifié par Arijharn, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:35 .

[MisterJB]

The problem with that is that Cerberus was not founded until the end of the First Contact War in 2157.
However, it is possible that Cerberus has its roots on the Alliance as a team designed to secretly and freely handle the secrets humanity was just beggining to discover in the Galaxy, Element Zero being amongst these, and what Jack Harper did was break away from the Alliance (supposedly) and turn the group into an human survivalist Organization now that there was proof that alien life existed and it was the previous group that used the Lawson girls as test subjects. I wouldn't be opposed to a conspiracy like this, just one more reason to hate the Alliance.

Still, Mr.Lawson simply adapting a Krogan technique as a way to "correct his mistake" seems much more believeable to me.

edit: saw your edit. Well, the point stands. Theoretically, it's all possible. Just, no need to choose the more complicated explanation.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

jtav wrote...

There are times Miranda has left me breathless (and I'm not attracted to women as a rule) and times she looks odd. Her eyes are her best feature. Almost like sapphires sometimes.

And, ah, frog boy's my actual LI. Ahem.

Join the club of Thane-groupies!

[Vertigo_1]

http://twitter.com/#...007019091374080
"Working hard to strike a balance. If chars don't grow, stagnate, feel like caricature. If too different, lose their magic."


http://twitter.com/#...007356577652736
"Must trust @macwalterslives and team to give feedback, find balance, show chars you love growing, changing like real people."

Curious to see how Miranda grows in ME3

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:01 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...007019091374080
"Working hard to strike a balance. If chars don't grow, stagnate, feel like caricature. If too different, lose their magic."


http://twitter.com/#...007356577652736
"Must trust @macwalterslives and team to give feedback, find balance, show chars you love growing, changing like real people."

Is this good or bad?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I could see Miranda 'growing' in the sense that she's more personal with Shepard when they are alone. It would make sense she was initially scared to care about Shepard because she wasn't use to letting people in but now that he got past her defenses maybe she's more comfortable with it? I could also see her personality towardse everyone else might be a little softer but hopefully not too soft because that's what I like about Miranda she says what she realy thinks and says it to the persons face.

[anIrishman]

Miranda could grow in the sense that she's Anti-Cerberus now. I mean she doesn't necessarily need to be with the Alliance or anything, but her loyalties lie with Shepard. So yeah, I can see her being a lot more open to Shepard, given that she should have undertaken the whole 'warming up to' process during ME2. But I can also see her being slightly more friendly to the rest of the crew - save for Ashley - shiz needs to go down there. And perhaps she'll stop trying to be the leader, like she did in the beginning of ME2, and follow Shepard devotedly like she did at the end of ME2. But she still needs to be an Ice Queen when needed to be. Thats why I love her. She speaks her mind.

[Arijharn]

MisterJB wrote...

The problem with that is that Cerberus was not founded until the end of the First Contact War in 2157.
However, it is possible that Cerberus has its roots on the Alliance as a team designed to secretly and freely handle the secrets humanity was just beggining to discover in the Galaxy, Element Zero being amongst these, and what Jack Harper did was break away from the Alliance (supposedly) and turn the group into an human survivalist Organization now that there was proof that alien life existed and it was the previous group that used the Lawson girls as test subjects. I wouldn't be opposed to a conspiracy like this, just one more reason to hate the Alliance.

Still, Mr.Lawson simply adapting a Krogan technique as a way to "correct his mistake" seems much more believeable to me.

edit: saw your edit. Well, the point stands. Theoretically, it's all possible. Just, no need to choose the more complicated explanation.

While I am indeed guilty of loving the odd conspiracy theory (at least, those that I personally think are plausible) I don't think my solution is overly 'complicated' due to the fact that it's, well, Cerberus, who has already proven they're quite comfortable with the idea of intrigue.

Alien species were confirmed to exist as soon as the Prothean ruins were found obviously and not when the First Contact War occured, therefore providing the Prothean ruins were found before it was commonly accepted knowledge, then I think things at an international level becomes easier to swallow (at least for those borderline cynics like me I guess).

I personally do not believe that the international arena could join forces to create the Systems Alliance just like that if a 'secretive organisation' wasn't there to pull the reins just a bit. I think it would be natural to form a pro-humanist slant from the moment of the Prothean ruin discovery pretty much as an 'us vs them' protectionalist mentality more than anything else. It doesn't even have to be known as 'Cerberus', because to me at least, 'Cerberus' is less an organisation and more of a philosophical mentality. Even if you were to shoot The Illusive Man today, that doesn't mean the drive or desire to create another Cerberus type organisation would just disappear. It also doesn't mean that another 'Illusive Man' couldn't also rise to power eventually either.

[Vertigo_1]

I know it isn't Miranda but the tweet posted makes me wonder if the same applies for Miranda...

http://twitter.com/#...014423984082944
"Don't know if 'soft side' ever applies to Jack. But can say your actions will affect her. :)"


How do you think our actions would affect (not change!) Miranda?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:42 .

[LuxDragon]

Why not? We change Shep sometimes in accordance to Miranda.

[Vertigo_1]

LuxDragon wrote...

Why not? We change Shep sometimes in accordance to Miranda.

I mean how do you expect our actions to affect Miranda.
Example would be the compliment about her genetics leading to romance in ME2

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:00 .

[Ieldra]

@ISpeakTheTruth et al.:
I think the most important growth Miranda can show is that she's making peace with her origins. While being more open with Shepard is a possibility, I do not see that as a sign of growth. Growing close to someone is not, by itself, a virtue.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:36 .

[Ieldra]

@Arijharn:
The problem ist that there is alway an infinite number of scenarios that fit any given set of evidence. For good reasons we tend to choose the most simple solution unless there is evidence that things might not be as simple. For your scenario, you do not only have no evidence at all *for* it, no, you must also discount timeline information as false in two places: (1) Someone knew that eezo exposure would trigger telekinetic abilities almost ten years before the official discovery. (2) An organisation later known as Cerberus was operating almost ten years before it was officially founded, discounting both historically documented events and ME:Evolution.

I find that extremely unlikely. The "surgical procedure adapted from the krogan" is elegant and simple and not only doesn't need to discount official historical events, but doesn't even need to add new elements to the universe.

[Arijharn]

It depends on the amount of technology disseminated from Prothean data caches more than anything else. If it had design schematics that essentially led to the development of things like mass effect drive cores, and mass effect derived mass accelerator weaponry, then why is it hard to believe that mentioning of biotic capability and cursory insights into the process couldn't occur? I don't view it as overly complicated at least. Considering the fact that the Prothean's were observing us from the Cro-Magnon stage, I think they were capable of abducting and studying us in quite a bit of detail at least.

I don't have hard evidence no, but I don't see why it should be automatically dismissed out of hand, because I find it hard to believe that Mr. Lawson would agree to have his 'success' (and by what measurable standard) further 'endangered' some 7 years after her birth.

But to re-iterate:
1) Sure, but why is that an impossibility? You think that something like the SA's formation was a combination of events that just occurred via Serendipity? Look at the UN, I'm not sure if many people thinks it actually 'works' (look at how long it took them to respond to Gadafi for the most recent example) and prior to that look at the League of Nations. I admit, it might seem overly complicated in an attempt to shoehorn a hypothesis in, but it really isn't. No point asking me to 'prove' it though because you know as well as I can that you can't prove a negative.
1) It doesn't have to be Cerberus. Cerberus is an organisation, but you can't tell me that 'us vs them' is a completely new concept. It's been around ever since man first realized that there were men of a different colour to them. It seems natural to expand this alarmist view into a human vs. alien mentality. It's also been explored in many many sci-fi films and books and even TV shows.

As far as I see it; at some time though 'surgical procedure adapted from the Krogan' had to have been initially as problematic for the first humans to participate in it, and I think it's unlikely to have occurred to Miranda, if only because what Miranda is supposed to represent to the prospect of his dynasty. I don't think you can say he was cavalier in his treatment of Miranda. At least, not after she was born and was demonstrating her worth to his plans.

[Arijharn]

Also; it beggars believe that if Lowell City on Mars was founded in 2103 (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mars), then it would take until 2148 to eventually find the Prothean ruins, especially since Robotic surveyors were on the planet by 2088 and that humanity has been exploring it by flybys for at least a century beforehand.

[jtav]

I'd like to see Miranda own her gifts and take pride in her accomplishments. Beauty, intelligence, and strength are good things.

And reserve is not a character flaw.