DO NOT TORMENT ME WITH HOPE.hot_heart wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
Yep.Skullheart wrote...
I bet there won't be any content of Miranda. No way to get her VA to record anything anymore.
Not with that attitude! If that collection of letters means anything to the dev team, I'm sure they'd want more Miranda. And that, coupled with some fan urging of Miss Strahovski, could tip the balance.
I bet there won't be any content of Miranda. No way to get her VA to record anything anymore.
strive wrote...
I bet there won't be any content of Miranda. No way to get her VA to record anything anymore.
The only Miranda-specific thing I'm expecting is the flashback.being added in.
darn double posts.
Modifié par enayasoul, 05 avril 2012 - 10:16 .
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Anything New Happening?
It's free. Like it should be! Modifié par enayasoul, 05 avril 2012 - 10:18 .
Dear Bioware,
As one of your many fans, my word may not leave much impact -- on its own. But, as you may notice soon, this is one of many letters in regards to your treatment of the story and characters in Mass Effect 3. Put bluntly, I dislike it.
Don't get me wrong, there were amazing moments during the game (Tuchanka, Sanctuary, Rannoch, Cronos Station come to mind) that left me wanting to immediately replay them a 2nd or 3rd time. A good amount of the characters received ample development as well. Liara, as per usual, got her advance in plot relevance (Not something I personally agree with, but that's a different matter), Javik is a surprisingly well-written character and is easily among my favorites, and Thane, Mordin, and Legion all make noble sacrifices that make me proud to call them favorites. Among those I can call favorites, there is 1 in particular that pains me the most, because of how I felt her treatment was mishandled: Miranda Lawson.
In Mass Effect 2, she showed us the more "human" side of Cerberus. She was willing to make the hard choices, and she didn't always make friends with her tactics, but she wasn't the mustache-twirling psychopath that the Illusive Man is now made out to be. She acknowledges and endorses the experimentation on the Thorian creepers, Husks, and Rachni soldiers, but she could not let an abomination like Sanctuary remain standing. She was the woman who (along with her team of scientists) brought Shepard back to life after 2 years. In ME2, we were shown that she was capable of being cold and calculating (Killing Wilson in front of Shepard and Jacob), but also warm and loving at the same time (Oriana and Shepard (if romanced)). In my own opinion, she was well within her rights to have an extravagant return in ME3, but it was both anticlimactic and "watered down".
Specifically, her mission content and conversation content seem to be largely retreads of her loyalty mission from ME2. Granted, I can understand why (Interplanetary extinction event, she wants to make sure Oriana is safe), but it's at the expense of her Cerberus history. It feels largely incidental, what with her making 2 total references to them in conversation, and her presence at Sanctuary being justified by "It was a Cerberus facility".
Her romance also (In my opinion, and apparently shared with a number of her other fans as well) feels rather ham-fisted and tacked on, same going for Thane and Jack, the other returning ME2 romances. Each romance continuation is merely 1-2 lines added onto the stock conversation, with the "culmination" a measly fade-to-black, followed by Shepard teleporting out of the hotel room. In comparison, Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Tali, Cortez, and Traynor *all* have a scene inside Shepard's cabin, followed by "pillow talk". I am aware that they likely received more attention due to their status aboard the Normandy (I'll elaborate on why Miranda should have com aboard, if only for a little bit, later), but it is largely unfair (Let's be frank, It's BS) to fans of someone who's not on the squad.
After Sanctuary (Assuming Miranda is alive), she states that she is going to get her injuries treated. Why could she not come aboard the Normandy here and go into the medbay? I mean, she never once tells us where she's going, so...? It would give us the perfect opportunity for a bit of Cerberus closure (Her opinion on them now, useful intel she may have, etc...), a chance to actually meet Oriana, and a true romance culmination. I would prefer the hotel room scene have the fade-to-black removed from it, and a legitimate love scene added aboard the Normandy, post-sex pillow talk included. On Sanctuary, why does she say a total whopping TWO words to Henry Lawson, regardless of situation? Why is she so gagged towards the man that psychologically tormented her for her childhood and her teen years? He is *literally* the source of her personal demons, but her entire vocabulary for him is "No deal"? What. The. Hell. She's also totally silent with Shepard's squad, but a number of ME2 characters have lines to them, depending on who you bring. Jack talks to EDI, Legion talks to Tali on numerous occasions, Mordin mentions Javik on Sur'kesh, etc... Miranda has worked with Tali and Garrus before, Javik is a prothean, and EDI was (Still is) the Normandy's AI. Not to mention I'm sure Ashley would have a few words for her as well.
One more thing, why is she totally and utterly absent during the Cerberus HQ mission? She planted the trace on Kai Leng, but is then wholly uninterested in bringing down Cerberus completely, despite basing raids on their bases with her squadron of fighter pilots? She doesn't need to be with Shepard on the squad, but at least radio contact, or a "How did it go?" type of conversation after the mission concludes would suffice.
In conclusion, why was Miranda handled so poorly? Did Ms. Strahovski charge more money than you were willing to pay her? Did you simply run out of assets? Favoritism? Why was Miranda specifically, treated so much worse than pretty much everyone else (Jacob and Thane nonwithstanding)?
P.S. Why does Shepard not think about her (Or any of the non-VS or Liara romances) for the flashback sequence? All the people to look back on, and he ignores the woman (or man) that he/she loves with all his/her heart?
Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2012 - 10:41 .
Modifié par enayasoul, 05 avril 2012 - 11:39 .
MrNose wrote...
I find it interesting that a lot of the Miranda letters treat the romance aspect almost as incidental. My concern is definitely more for the character deserving a bigger role over all, rather than simply as a companion to Shepard (although romance matters too). Her relationship to Cerberus is as important as her relationship to Shepard.
I wonder if Miranda fans are unique in that our focus is more about the character in relation to the broader universe, rather than her character in relation to the rest of the Normandy crew.
MrNose wrote...
I find it interesting that a lot of the Miranda letters treat the romance aspect almost as incidental. My concern is definitely more for the character deserving a bigger role over all, rather than simply as a companion to Shepard (although romance matters too). Her relationship to Cerberus is as important as her relationship to Shepard.
I wonder if Miranda fans are unique in that our focus is more about the character in relation to the broader universe, rather than her character in relation to the rest of the Normandy crew.
Modifié par Skullheart, 05 avril 2012 - 10:45 .
MrNose wrote...
Here's my letter:
*SNIP*
Modifié par Vertigo_1, 05 avril 2012 - 10:48 .
Me three.Ieldra2 wrote...
Me, too. Doesn't deliver the hardest punch in the galaxy, but delivers it exactly where it's needed and where it has the most impact. A little like Miranda....jtav wrote...
I associate Miranda pretty strong;y with the Locust I always have her carry.
Modifié par MisterJB, 05 avril 2012 - 10:52 .
Vertigo_1 wrote...
MrNose wrote...
Here's my letter:
*SNIP*
This is great!
Make sure to put it in this thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/10853184/1 or PM Visii
so that it's printed and shown to the Devs @ PAX
2 hours left if you still want to submit a letter
o Ventus wrote...
MrNose wrote...
I find it interesting that a lot of the Miranda letters treat the romance aspect almost as incidental. My concern is definitely more for the character deserving a bigger role over all, rather than simply as a companion to Shepard (although romance matters too). Her relationship to Cerberus is as important as her relationship to Shepard.
I wonder if Miranda fans are unique in that our focus is more about the character in relation to the broader universe, rather than her character in relation to the rest of the Normandy crew.
Better romance and larger role aren't mutually exclusive.
jtav wrote...
That's one thing I'll say for Sanctuary: great weapons. The Saber is Matt's new best pal.
Do you think it would have upped the tension if they'd made explicit parallels between Miranda and Greyson?
Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2012 - 10:56 .
I'm not really seeing what parallels they can make apart from both working for Cerberus. Pre-quitting Greyson has more in common with Lawson. I think Miranda would dislike him on principle.jtav wrote...
Do you think it would have upped the tension if they'd made explicit parallels between Miranda and Greyson?
Modifié par MisterJB, 05 avril 2012 - 11:02 .
jtav wrote...
On the run, hunted by Cerberus, lost to Leng.
Except by the time he lost to Leng, he wasn't really Grayson anymore. He was a thing, a tool of the Reapers. Hell even when he broke out in the first place he was already lost.jtav wrote...
On the run, hunted by Cerberus, lost to Leng.
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