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[jtav]

Can you imagine that as her failure state? Begging Shep to kill her before the voices in her head grow too loud *shudder*

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

You forget that Leng was the one who captured Grayson on Omega.

Not by himself. He had backup. It would've made for a more interesting fight if he had been alone.

[o Ventus]

I would prefer a Samara-styled suicide than her begging to be put down like a sick dog.

[Lawrence0294]

Hey do you guys have any good fan fictions, i seem to have a rather hard time finding good ones :/

[o Ventus]

kratos0294 wrote...

Hey do you guys have any good fan fictions, i seem to have a rather hard time finding good ones :/

I don't want to say mine is "good" (Any producer who can't immediately find flaws in his/her work is a terrible producer), but I've read/heard some good feedback on it. 

It's the link in my signature.

Oh, before I forget (Don't take this the wrong way), please, PLEASE read the description before you actually get into the story. If I see another person asking me "Why Sanctuary no haz R33pers??" I might hurt someone.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

You forget that Leng was the one who captured Grayson on Omega.

Not by himself. He had backup. It would've made for a more interesting fight if he had been alone.

So had Grayson.

But, it really wouldn't have. When Kai Leng suggests using Red Sand to break his mental strength, he just walks into Grayson's cell, beats him into a pulp and injects the drug. Grayson can't even land one blow.

I really would like to know what precautions Miranda took against him. Before ME3, I would have said that she didn't stand a chance.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

You forget that Leng was the one who captured Grayson on Omega.

Not by himself. He had backup. It would've made for a more interesting fight if he had been alone.

So had Grayson.

But, it really wouldn't have. When Kai Leng suggests using Red Sand to break his mental strength, he just walks into Grayson's cell, beats him into a pulp and injects the drug. Grayson can't even land one blow.

I really would like to know what precautions Miranda took against him. Before ME3, I'd say she didn't stand a chance.

Perhaps she had access to the Phantom project papers.  She could have pieced together the weakness of those with the implants (or they are spelled out in the notes)

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
So had Grayson.

But, it really wouldn't have. When Kai Leng suggests using Red Sand to break his mental strength, he just walks into Grayson's cell, beats him into a pulp and injects the drug. Grayson can't even land one blow.

I really would like to know what precautions Miranda took against him. Before ME3, I'd say she didn't stand a chance.

What Aria's daughter? (can't remember her name). Hardly worthy backup. It was an ambush.

And Grayson in the cell was severely weakend from the proceedure and not yet significantly upgraded. Not even a real fight.

[jtav]

My guess is the Alliance had some kind of barrier that protected against melee attacks in the prototype stage. Miranda "borrowed" it.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

My guess is the Alliance had some kind of barrier that protected against melee attacks in the prototype stage. Miranda "borrowed" it.

lol really? You don't think her biotic barrier would be sufficient? I think it was a very mobile fight. I don't want to say Miranda ran, but she certainly didn't try to just take Leng head on.

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

My guess is the Alliance had some kind of barrier that protected against melee attacks in the prototype stage. Miranda "borrowed" it.

lol really? You don't think her biotic barrier would be sufficient? I think it was a very mobile fight. I don't want to say Miranda ran, but she certainly didn't try to just take Leng head on.

This. She has her own kinetic barriers, plus (presumably, since she's a biotic) biotic barriers. Only Kaidan and Sentinel Shepard have the same level of protection. Melee-retardant KB's are one of those "grasping at straws" plot devices. Kai Leng must emit a sonic boom with every single one of his punches if KB's are blocking them.

[jtav]

Barriers don't protect against melee--too slow. And all we see is Leng ambushing her.

[Nightwriter]

MrNose wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

MrNose wrote...

I find it interesting that a lot of the Miranda letters treat the romance aspect almost as incidental. My concern is definitely more for the character deserving a bigger role over all, rather than simply as a companion to Shepard (although romance matters too). Her relationship to Cerberus is as important as her relationship to Shepard.

I wonder if Miranda fans are unique in that our focus is more about the character in relation to the broader universe, rather than her character in relation to the rest of the Normandy crew.

Better romance and larger role aren't mutually exclusive.

That's why I said "although romance matters too", and "more about" rather than "exclusively about".  

Even if not everyone is a Miranda fan, wouldn't even non-fans want to know what the "Cerberus cheerleader" thinks of Cerberus now that she sees she was wrong about them? I mean, hello -- "Humanity couldn't have a better advocate"? How stone cold wrong did that turn out to be? The juxtaposition between the vehemence of her former loyalty to Cerberus vs the loyalty-shattering horror of their actions in ME3 almost demands to be mined for story value. Not everyone likes Miranda, but almost everyone likes conflict, and almost everyone likes turning their enemy's allies against him.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Miranda content could have (and should have) been made to be of interest to a wider range of players than just the Miranda fans. Giving her content could've been about more than just pleasing the denizens of this thread. And if BioWare had chosen to devote their attention to doing so, I think romance content would have improved almost by default, because the romantic interactions between characters ought to grow from what those characters are going through both internally and externally, and what they mean to each other while they're going through it. And that's why I, for my part, talk about Miranda as a character and not just Miranda as a love interest.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
What Aria's daughter? (can't remember her name). Hardly worthy backup. It was an ambush.

She had biotics and experience dealing with the armed gangs of omega.
But yes, it was an ambush.

And Grayson in the cell was severely weakend from the proceedure and not yet significantly upgraded.

Two weeks had passed. Time enough to recover, expecially since he had Reaper tech with amazing healing abilties within him.
Also, I tought we were discussing Grayson vs Kai Leng. Not ReaperGrayson.
ReaperGrayson would have annihilated Leng.
PhantomLeng on the other hand...

Not even a real fight.

Exactly, Grayson couldn't even put up a real fight against Kai Leng.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[CrutchCricket]

Wait a minute, weren't we speculating about fencing a while ago? So there you have it. Miranda grabs a pipe, a piece of steel, something that can block Leng's sword and counters it that way. Shields/barriers for protection from his gun, other biotics to gain the upper hand. And she keeps moving, always.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Barriers don't protect against melee--too slow.

That's Kinect Shields.
BIotic Barriers do as evidenced by Liara raising one to protect the team from flying glass which wouldn't have been moving at enough speed to activate the Shields.

Also, focusing entirely on melee attacks would have been a mistake Handcannon.

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Wait a minute, weren't we speculating about fencing a while ago? So there you have it. Miranda grabs a pipe, a piece of steel, something that can block Leng's sword and counters it that way. Shields/barriers for protection from his gun, other biotics to gain the upper hand. And she keeps moving, always.

This too. Shepard shatters Leng's katana with a simple backhand, so I'm certain Miranda could have found something to block it (Or had something on hand already). Her KB's and biotic barriers could provide ample protection against his handgun, at least for a while, as her own biotics and any firearms she may have would damage him.

[Td1984]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
So had Grayson.

But, it really wouldn't have. When Kai Leng suggests using Red Sand to break his mental strength, he just walks into Grayson's cell, beats him into a pulp and injects the drug. Grayson can't even land one blow.

I really would like to know what precautions Miranda took against him. Before ME3, I'd say she didn't stand a chance.

What Aria's daughter? (can't remember her name). Hardly worthy backup. It was an ambush.

And Grayson in the cell was severely weakend from the proceedure and not yet significantly upgraded. Not even a real fight.

Liselle?

Supposedly Wrex and Aria at one point had a fling. I wonder if Liselle was his.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
She had biotics and experience dealing with the armed gangs of omega.

Yeah but they had just finished "getting busy" and they were ambushed. So she wasn't at her best.

Two weeks had passed. Time enough to recover, expecially since he had Reaper tech with amazing healing abilties within him.
Also, I tought we were discussing Grayson vs Kai Leng. Not ReaperGrayson.
ReaperGrayson would have annihilated Leng.
PhantomLeng on the other hand...

Wasn't he still weak from starvation, possible dehydration? Then there's mental shock as well.

And I think ReaperGrayson would've still beat PhantomLeng unless it was depleted.

Exactly, Grayson couldn't even put up a real fight against Kai Leng.

I don't know. I think he could hold out for a while. It'd be similar to Shepard vs Leng- soldier vs ninja. Only difference is Grayson would lose.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

Barriers don't protect against melee--too slow.

That's Kinect Shields.
BIotic Barriers do as evidenced by Liara raising one to protect the team from flying glass which wouldn't have been moving at enough speed to activate the Shields.

Also, focusing entirely on melee attacks would have been a mistake Handcannon.

Also Biotic bubble vs seeker swarms. They definitely weren't moving at bullet speeds.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Wait a minute, weren't we speculating about fencing a while ago? So there you have it. Miranda grabs a pipe, a piece of steel, something that can block Leng's sword and counters it that way.

Miranda never gave any real indication of being an expert close-range fighter.
Besides, Phantoms use molecular blades capable of cutting through a krogan's back. A steel pipe would be reduced to tissue paper against one.

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Wait a minute, weren't we speculating about fencing a while ago? So there you have it. Miranda grabs a pipe, a piece of steel, something that can block Leng's sword and counters it that way.

Miranda never gave any real indication of being an expert close-range fighter.
Besides, Phantoms use molecular blades capable of cutting through a krogan's back. A steel pipe would be reduced to tissue paper against one.

Yet Shepard was able to completely fracture Leng's katana with 1 hand.

So much for "Being able ot cut through a krogan's spine".

And I don't think I need to mention how retarded it would be for Miranda to be an expert combatant -- but be clueless at hand-to-hand.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Miranda never gave any real indication of being an expert close-range fighter.
Besides, Phantoms use molecular blades capable of cutting through a krogan's back. A steel pipe would be reduced to tissue paper against one.

There no official canon one way or another. Since we all liked the idea of fencing and there's nothing contradicting it we can use it.

As for the sword, even if there are no materials in Sanctuary that can block that blade, she could've killed a regular Phantom and used their sword.

[MisterJB]

o Ventus wrote...
Yet Shepard was able to completely fracture Leng's katana with 1 hand.

So much for "Being able ot cut through a krogan's spine".

It's Shepard.
He had a fist fight with a yahg

And I don't think I need to mention how retarded it would be for Miranda to be an expert combatant -- but be clueless at hand-to-hand.

Clueless? Maybe not.
But good enough to match Leng? That would amaze me.

CrutchCricket wrote...
Wasn't he still weak from starvation, possible dehydration? Then there's mental shock as well.

He said there was nothing to do in the cell besides eat and sleep which leads to me believe that he was well fed.
And he was in a good enough state of mind to prepare his own ambush.

I don't know. I think he could hold out for a while. It'd be similar to Shepard vs Leng- soldier vs ninja. Only difference is Grayson would lose.

I never really got the impression Grayson was much of a soldier. All of his killings relied mostly the advantage iof surprise and he's described as very scrawny due to drug abuse. At least in "Ascension".
He looked better and handled himself better in "Retribution".

CrutchCricket wrote...There no official canon one way or another. Since we all liked the idea of fencing and there's nothing contradicting it we can use it.

True enough. I'd love to see Miranda in a Phantom outfit.
Tough, honestly, Nemesis would fit her better, IMO.

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Yet Shepard was able to completely fracture Leng's katana with 1 hand.

So much for "Being able ot cut through a krogan's spine".

It's Shepard.
He had a fist fight with a yahg

With the help of Bioware's favorite blueberry and her biotics. Plus Shepard had all of his weapons, and that "fist fight" consister of Shepard landing 3 punches on said yahg, followed by being bounced off his shield. In all honesty, the Broker may have killed Liara and Shepard if it weren't for Liara bringing down... Whatever the hell that fluid was and melting the Broker like the Wicked Witch.

When Shepard kung fu'd Leng's katana, he was also sitting down, presumably unaware until Leng's ungodly loud footsteps alerted Shepard to his presence. He was also in a relaxed position while sitting down, so he wasn't winding up for a knockout punch. He just sort of pimp-slapped Leng's sword and it exploded.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2012 - 11:53 .