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[CrutchCricket]

o Ventus wrote...

How would (romanced) Miranda take a funeral for Shepard? I can't possibly imagine it would be anything other than deathly (See what I did?) somber.

Slow motion rain. Miranda crying. Sound of Silence in the background.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
Would sacrifice your entire crew for Miranda?

Would never sacrifice Miranda, Kasumi or Liara, even for each other. Everyone else is possible, though I wouldn't like sacrificing Samara, Tali or Garrus.

[CrutchCricket]

pyro_technician wrote...

Any update on information on that DLC announced today? Or are we just grasping at straws on it?

Bioware will take the time to explain to us ****** fans why their ending is so awesome. They are gracious enough to not charge us for the "honor".

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Bioware will take the time to explain to us ****** fans why their ending is so awesome. They are gracious enough to not charge us for the "honor".

Tbh, I think it's more like: "Please accept this free DLC as an apology and hopefully desist in transforming ME3 into a permanent punchline in popular culture."

Modifié par flemm, 13 décembre 2013 - 07:33 .

[CrutchCricket]

Believe what you want but we got screwed big today. We might've been beaten bloody when it first came out but today we actually bit the curb. Christ, what a joke.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Believe what you want but we got screwed big today. We might've been beaten bloody when it first came out but today we actually bit the curb. Christ, what a joke.

I didn't say otherwise. Simply that this fiasco has hurt the franchise and hurt the company's reputation, and they know it. They simply don't feel like they can do an about-face and/or don't think they could fix it even if they tried.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

I didn't say otherwise. Simply that this fiasco has hurt the franchise and hurt the company's reputation, and they know it. They simply don't feel like they can do an about-face and/or don't think they could fix it even if they tried.

They don't even try. There are countless threads suggesting changes. There are countless threads suggesting additions that don't rob fans of the existing ending of their stuff while pleasing the rest of us. And their response? "Clarification"? Please. If some unpaid nerds can come up with this stuff, I'm sure professional writers that aren't whoever wrote this garbage in the first place can do better.

I'm sorry if you've got a picture of ****, increasing the resolution isn't going to make it better because guess what; It's a picture of ****. Hell it might make it worse.

It's not an apology or even an acknowledgement of the problem. They stand by their abomination and just want us to STFU. This DLC is nothing but a gag. Announce it a day before a convention where you were probably expecting to get torn a new one, stir up the pot, divide your opposition, let them fight each other, get the media to call them all entitled whiners when they don't just immediately bow to your benevolence and finally flatly refuse to discuss the matter any further. There have been actual battles that had worse planning than this move. ****, if even a quarter of the strategy of this strike had gone into the endings we would not be having this conversation. I imagine we wouldn't be having any conversation for a whle because we'd all be too busy getting our faces rocked off by the greatest and most immersive sci-fi game of all time. Instead we see our star marathon runner faceplant in the last hundred meters of the most exciting race we've ever seen and when we dare ask him what happened he tells us to **** off, that was the plan all along. Forget this.

[o Ventus]

Please, they could change it just fine without making asses of themselves. Hell, I'm doing it right now in my current story (I'll lend them rights if they want it).

Something something "Artistic Integrity", something something "We're listening (But at the same time, ignoring you)."

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
They don't even try. There are countless threads suggesting changes.

Well, I think the issue is somewhat more complicated than you are suggesting. That doesn't mean I don't agree with you as to the substance, i.e. the endings suck and this DLC probably won't help much.

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 02:31 .

[o Ventus]

Published the first chapter of my post-ME3 story. Maybe I can scrap something together from the turd ball Bioware handed us. Will update my signature when the document finishes upload.

[CrutchCricket]

We all knew the end was coming. But we thought it'd be passing through clouds to the sound of glorious harp music, not...this. You know when I run out of metaphors I'm at the end of my wits.

I wonder how long we'll stick around here. If we still care about the characters we have to go into our own separate worlds. But will they be too divergent to keep discussing?

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

We all knew the end was coming. But we thought it'd be passing through clouds to the sound of glorious harp music, not...this. You know when I run out of metaphors I'm at the end of my wits.

I wonder how long we'll stick around here. If we still care about the characters we have to go into our own separate worlds. But will they be too divergent to keep discussing?

As long as there's complaining to be done, we'll be here.

Well, I probably will.

[MrNose]

 

o Ventus wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

We all knew the end was coming. But we thought it'd be passing through clouds to the sound of glorious harp music, not...this. You know when I run out of metaphors I'm at the end of my wits.

I wonder how long we'll stick around here. If we still care about the characters we have to go into our own separate worlds. But will they be too divergent to keep discussing?

As long as there's complaining to be done, we'll be here.

Well, I probably will.

 

I dunno, I tend to go away and then come back when new stuff comes out so... Probably after my second playthrough, and then after the DLC, and then after another DLC, and then after whatever Mass Effect game comes next... Because I'm still going to get it.

Modifié par MrNose, 06 avril 2012 - 02:54 .

[imwithher]

The ending isn't even the biggest of problems. Believe it or not Some guys like me bought collectors edition. Got one play through or less and have the black screen of death. Doesn't even load. So ya they got lots of work to do. Heck I haven't been able to play for 2 weeks.

[flemm]

Modifié par flemm, 23 décembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[flemm]

The above is/was my rant/letter. Don't believe I ever posted it. I created a separate post in case I want to edit/link it later.

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[MrNose]

flemm wrote...

The above is/was my rant/letter. Don't believe I ever posted it. I created a separate post in case I want to edit/link it later.

Nice!

I have mixed feelings about the Jacob thing.  While I certainly sympathize with the people who romanced him, I think its an interesting idea to have Shepard get dumped.  My main issues are that he appears so late in the game, and that he's apparently resumed fighting somewhere in the unexplained aether, which just seems like a perfunctory way to get rid of him.  

[flemm]

MrNose wrote...
Nice!

I have mixed feelings about the Jacob thing.  While I certainly sympathize with the people who romanced him, I think its an interesting idea to have Shepard get dumped.  My main issues are that he appears so late in the game, and that he's apparently resumed fighting somewhere in the unexplained aether, which just seems like a perfunctory way to get rid of him.  

Well, my issue with the idea that it's an interesting idea (which I understand, conceptually, by the way) is that, with Jacob, it's just transparently because not enough people romanced him for them to be bothered and/or they felt they could get away with it in his case.

It's hard for me to really condone that. It comes across as... petty. If they want to experiment with the idea of rejection in these romances, then it should be handled differently, for example it could be caused by some choice the player makes along the way and potentially affect all the romances.

Anyway, in the context of the letter, it's mostly just an expression of solidarity. But I don't like it for the reasons outlined above. 

[Td1984]

After messing around with those "epilogue slides" at that site that was linked to earlier, I'm actually becoming okay with the Control ending. Sounds like the Alliance started a project with the help of the Geth to try and build a body for Shepard to return to. Never considered that possibility for a headcanon (primarily because I didn't like the idea of that ending in the first place).

[Nightwriter]

I'm thinking with this DLC they're going to put in an unvoiced three second scene of Miranda looking through the rubble for Shepard or something and then say "WELL WE GAVE THEM THREE SECONDS OF EXTRA CONTENT, THAT SOLVES ALL THE ME2 LOVE INTEREST PROTESTS."

[Vertigo_1]

Nice letter flemm

Reading about Jacob got me thinking about his mission (which I just completed once more)...

Jacob: "You ever wonder how it all went wrong? I mean, was I blind? I remember him being an idealist.  How come I couldn't see the evil?"

The bolded parts of this dialog seem to fit better for Miranda than Jacob:

He hasn't been in the organization for long (joined before ME2 and left right after the SM)
He doesn't exactly trust TIM fully (mentioned at the start of ME2 heavily by TIM and Jacob himself) to begin with.
He's not really a high ranking member of Cerberus.

Miranda is the opposite of that, she's worked many years for the organization (20 years or so, right?), trusted TIM (she defends him even after the Collector ship mission), and was a high ranking member of Cerberus (Second in command...)

EDIT:
Meanwhile Miranda has...nothing I think...no reaction, just what's going on with her now.  As if she's the one who hasn't been in the organization for long.

Could have been an investigate option at the first meeting:

Shep: "Must have been rough, leaving Cerberus like that.  You've worked there for some time..."
Miranda: "I believed in Cerberus, I still do, but the Illusive Man has gone too far"

etc...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[MrNose]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Meanwhile Miranda has...I think one line where she talks about his response to her quitting. That just seems odd to me...

Could have been an investigate option at the first meeting:

Shep: "Must have been rough, leaving Cerberus like that.  You've worked there for some time..."
Miranda: "I believed in Cerberus, I still do, but the Illusive Man has gone too far"

etc...

One more: If you use the investigate options the first time you see Miranda, she'll tell you that the last contact she had with TIM involved him trying to kill her.  

Modifié par MrNose, 06 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Vertigo_1]

MrNose wrote...
One more: If you use the investigate options the first time you see Miranda, she'll tell you that the last contact she had with TIM involved him trying to kill her.  

You are correct, though I mispoke earlier about what lines she doesn't have that Jacob does.  She doesn't reflect about her time with Cerberus and reaction(s) to their current state.  Jacob does, he wonders where it all wrong and if he was blind to the evil.

She doesn't have any lines like that...I don't get it

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...
I find it interesting that a lot of the Miranda letters treat the romance aspect almost as incidental. My concern is definitely more for the character deserving a bigger role over all, rather than simply as a companion to Shepard (although romance matters too). Her relationship to Cerberus is as important as her relationship to Shepard.

I wonder if Miranda fans are unique in that our focus is more about the character in relation to the broader universe, rather than her character in relation to the rest of the Normandy crew.

I think we may be unique in that, but Miranda is also unique in that she's connected to aspects of the broader universe much more than most other LI characters. Also, these things made her interesting rather than "just another hot human female". Lastly, while the lack of an extended romance scene is disappointing, it doesn't damage her as a character. The other omissions and changes do.   

[Visii]

~All content for the PAX LI Appreciation Book of Letters and Fanart has now been collected, and the book is now in the middle stage of assembly.~

~Thanks to everyone who contributed, and especially to my new friends Aryss & Nick Arlov, who have/still are putting in a great amount of effort and time into assembling this project! Without them, and my indomitable will, none of this would have been possible. The two of them will be presenting the fanbook to EvilChrist and Mike Gamble @ PAX- unfortunately, as it turned out, I'm unable to go due to family reasons.~

Here's a sneak peak of how the book is coming along:
(A longer, updated vid and some pictures will be uploaded shortly). Stay tuned for pictures and/or video taken when the book is being presented!

Final letter statistics:

Total: 130

[b]All LI's/General: 19
Thane: 38
Miranda: 28
Jack: 23
Ashley 7
Jacob 6
Samara 4
Kaidan 3
Vega 2
Kasumi: 1* (Kasumi's letter is a general letter)



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*** Sorry if we forgot anyone. We didn't mean to. There's only three of us; me, Aryss & Nick Arlov, this project progressed faster than we anticipated and it has been several late nights of letter gathering, reading, spell and politeness-checking and doing battle with the book itself to make it worthy of presentation.

[ThomGau]

Thanks for the update and for putting this great scheme into motion Visii . I can't wait to see the decorated binder being given to the writers.


@flemm: your letter is excellent, every point is adressed and detailed.
I liked how you firstly refered to Liara when you said Jacob is to some people as important as other characters. *If* the writers actually read our letters I can imagine them thinking this: "Jacob as important as Liara, what is this nonsense? They are clearly misguided."

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 avril 2012 - 08:14 .