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[Skullheart]

I think the writers opted to do a Ash/Tali dialogue instead of a Miranda/Ash.

[jtav]

I just got through with Grissom. Damn it, why doesn't Miranda come off as well as Jack? Personality intact, but genuine development and genuinely affecting her mission.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I just got through with Grissom. Damn it, why doesn't Miranda come off as well as Jack? Personality intact, but genuine development and genuinely affecting her mission.

Weekes wrote that as well, I believe.

[CuseGirl]

Yea, it's like the Jack/Mordin writing person or group's work came thru and whoever wrote Miranda didn't.....what's comical to me is that Cerberus becomes so artificially important but they so poorly weaved in Jacob and Miranda...I would even have taken a joint effort between the two of them.....::sigh::

[jtav]

Jacob's is actually respectable and includes a lot of things I wanted from Miranda.

Weekes wrote Mordin. I see a pattern here.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Weekes wrote Mordin. I see a pattern here.

I can only imagine how bad the writing must have been prior to Weekes helping with revisions. The version of the control chip conversation that has been replaced in the actual game probably gives us a taste of it. That version has none of the redeeming qualities of the (apparently revised) one.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Jacob's is actually respectable and includes a lot of things I wanted from Miranda.

Weekes wrote Mordin. I see a pattern here.

Weekes helped with Mordin:

Senior writer John Dombrow wrote Mordin in ME3:

ca.linkedin.com/pub/john-dombrow/5/a94/785

Senior Writer on Mass Effect 3. I was responsible for all phases of writing three major critical-path missions in Mass Effect 3:

1) Rescuing the krogan female (the beginning of the genophage story arc). This mission was part of the E3 demo and included in the Xbox pre-release demo as well.

2) Curing the genophage on Tuchanka (conclusion of the genophage arc)

3) Thessia mission on Liara's homeworld as Reapers invade.

I wrote all characters within those missions (i.e. Wrex, Wreav, female krogan, turian primarch, portions of Illusive Man, etc.) with assistance from another writer on the character of Mordin.

I also developed the initial "Grissom Academy" mission (i.e. "Jack's mission") and wrote the first draft.

In terms of squadmates, I was responsible for writing two characters:

1) Garrus, including all his relationship scenes, Normandy dialogue, and
"voice" editing of Garrus' dialogue on all other missions in the game.

2) Javik (Prothean DLC), including all his relationship scenes, Normandydialogue, and "voice" editing of Javik's dialogue on all other missions in the game.

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Note that he also had worked on Grissom Academy (Weekes tweeted some time ago that he was writing Jack in ME3)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I think I know why Miri can Survive the Long-Term Exposure to Vacuum and Sub Zero Temperatures. She can heal MUCH MORE Faster than the Average Human, and she has a VERY Strong Immune System. Besides, she wears a Breathing mask on her Mouth and Nose, and the mask cold also be covering the ears. Their tech is more advance than you think. There may be a device on that Mask that protects Miri. You gotta Read Between The Lines.

[CuseGirl]

jtav wrote...

Jacob's is actually respectable and includes a lot of things I wanted from Miranda.

Weekes wrote Mordin. I see a pattern here.

I thought Jacob's dialogue was really wierd, to be honest. I've never played as a FemShep, so I can't comment him as an LI (altho I've heard the controversy about that). But, for me at least, I would have thought it "cool" if Miranda and Jacob were co-op'ing their own "thing" (strike force, research team, militia, whatever).

But yea.....I didn't like the combination of Oriana with the Sanctuary mission......and why would Henry Lawson bring Oriana to Sanctuary anyway?

[CuseGirl]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
Weekes wrote Mordin. I see a pattern here.

I can only imagine how bad the writing must have been prior to Weekes helping with revisions. The version of the control chip conversation that has been replaced in the actual game probably gives us a taste of it. That version has none of the redeeming qualities of the (apparently revised) one.

Wait wait wait....what revision? 

I hate that control chip conversation...its like "why are we talkign about this again?"

[MrNose]

All I know about Weekes is that he posted but-it-wasn't-actually-him-but-it-probably-was on the PA forums about issues he had with the writing and the process behind it, particularly the ending.

Now I'm starting to notice people pointing to him as one of the better writers in the game. Is there a list somewhere of who wrote what sections? Or where he did revisions?

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the subject of MP I'm Doctor_Squared on Origin.

Added you.

jtav wrote...

I just got through with Grissom. Damn it, why doesn't Miranda come off as well as Jack? Personality intact, but genuine development and genuinely affecting her mission.

While Jack's romance gets shafted like everyone else's, her mission is fantastic, and overall she was handled pretty well. I actually thought "why doesn't Miranda get this attention?" during my first playthrough, which shows how mishandled she was in comparison to a minor player like Jack.

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...

Wait wait wait....what revision? 

I hate that control chip conversation...its like "why are we talkign about this again?"

Well, I don't like it much either, there are more important things to talk about, but it is redeemed somewhat by Shepard's side of the conversation, which references Miranda's role in resurrecting him quite extensively.

There is another version of the dialogue in the leaked script and sound files which is not in the game (and so apparently discarded after revisions) that has none of those redeeming features. It's just... empty. Basically, Miranda just says "Sorry about the chip," and Shepard says "Let bygones be bygones."

It so happens that the revised conversation is reminiscent of something Weekes wrote for LotSB (where Shepard speaks in similarly awed/admirative tones about Liara recovering his body). So, it's logical that Weekes either helped revise this directly or pointed to that dialogue as a model for how to make this particular conversation with Miranda not suck completely and utterly.

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[CuseGirl]

flemm wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Wait wait wait....what revision? 

I hate that control chip conversation...its like "why are we talkign about this again?"

Well, I don't like it much either, there are more important things to talk about, but it is redeemed somewhat by Shepard's side of the conversation, which references Miranda's role in resurrecting him quite extensively.

There is another version of the dialogue in the leaked script and sound files which is not in the game (and so apparently discarded after revisions) that has none of those redeeming features. It's just... empty. Basically, Miranda just says "Sorry about the chip," and Shepard says "Let bygones be bygones."

It so happens that the revised conversation is reminiscent of something Weekes wrote for LotSB (where Shepard speaks in similarly awed/admirative tones about Liara recovering his body). So, it's logical that Weekes either helped revise this directly or pointed to that dialogue as a model for how to make this particular conversation with Miranda not suck completely and utterly.

You mean to make Shepard more grateful for the things people have done for him ::nods::

Do you believe the rumors that Casey Hudson wrote and recorded the ending with little to no peer-review?

[flemm]

MrNose wrote...

All I know about Weekes is that he posted but-it-wasn't-actually-him-but-it-probably-was on the PA forums about issues he had with the writing and the process behind it, particularly the ending.

Now I'm starting to notice people pointing to him as one of the better writers in the game. Is there a list somewhere of who wrote what sections? Or where he did revisions?

Well, this is not a comprehensive list, but in ME2 he wrote Mordin (who is somewhat of a self-insert for Weekes), Miranda off of the crit path (crit path Miranda was written by Walters), Tali, Garrus on the Normandy, and probably some other things that I'm not remembering.

In ME3 he wrote Tali, helped with Mordin (unsurprisingly), Jack, and then was involved with quite a few other things as well.

It seems likely that Miranda's content suffered a lot due to losing him as a writer. We don't know who is responsable for Miranda in ME3.

[MrNose]

The livepanel seems interesting so far. Weekes is there.

They asked for a show of hands, and apparently most of the audience voted ME2 as the best of the series.

[MrNose]

flemm wrote...



It seems likely that Miranda's content suffered a lot due to losing him as a writer. We don't know who is responsable for Miranda in ME3.

Characters should definitely be written by either their fans or the people who are very familiar with them.  Otherwise, how can justice be done to their story?

[CuseGirl]

MrNose wrote...

flemm wrote...

It seems likely that Miranda's content suffered a lot due to losing him as a writer. We don't know who is responsable for Miranda in ME3.

Characters should definitely be written by either their fans or the people who are very familiar with them.  Otherwise, how can justice be done to their story?

Oh lord....Miranda should not be written by her fans lmaaaoooo.....

[flemm]

MrNose wrote...

Characters should definitely be written by either their fans or the people who are very familiar with them.  Otherwise, how can justice be done to their story?

On this note, it's interesting that Weekes was assigned to Jack/chose to write her, as he was vocal about despising her back when ME2 was released.

This makes me think that maybe he flipped with a writer who hated Miranda originally, but with catastrophic results in Miranda's case, either due to lack of talent, or inability to overcome that initial dislike, or inability to ever really get into/understand the character, or some combination of those things.

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[jtav]

Depends on the fans. But considering minimizing her Cerberus connection was likely a high-level decision, I doubt there's much anyone could do. Though Weekes retcons her motives slightly in the Sanctuary logs. TIM and Leng make it sound like she went there to shut it down.

[CuseGirl]

jtav wrote...

Depends on the fans. But considering minimizing her Cerberus connection was likely a high-level decision, I doubt there's much anyone could do. Though Weekes retcons her motives slightly in the Sanctuary logs. TIM and Leng make it sound like she went there to shut it down.

Wait, how is it retconned? I thought she did go there to shut it down.....and somehow Henry brought Oriana to Sanctuary....

[jtav]

No, she went there to rescue Ori, but couldn't leave after she saw what was being done.

[hot_heart]

Kinda off-topic, but has anyone paused the Resurgence DLC trailer at the 0:15 mark and checked out the armour colours?

Weekes did the Rannoch bit with some assistance.
twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/185565311754436610

Modifié par hot_heart, 06 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[flemm]

Basically, there's a bit of a disconnect between the main dialogues and the vid files at TIM's base. In the main story, she doesn't seem to know what the place is until she gets there. Whereas in the vid, it's suggested that she goes there to shut it down. It's an important difference.

[MrNose]

CuseGirl wrote...

jtav wrote...

Depends on the fans. But considering minimizing her Cerberus connection was likely a high-level decision, I doubt there's much anyone could do. Though Weekes retcons her motives slightly in the Sanctuary logs. TIM and Leng make it sound like she went there to shut it down.

Wait, how is it retconned? I thought she did go there to shut it down.....and somehow Henry brought Oriana to Sanctuary....

When she talks to you, all she mentions is that her father is involved in something big (ambiguous), but that's it.  She seems to see it as a sidenote to rescuing her sister.

In the video logs, her motivation for her journey to Sanctuary appears to be just as much about shutting it down as it is about rescuing Oriana.  

Modifié par MrNose, 06 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[jtav]

One guess which version I prefer. It's weird: whenever people speak about Miranda or when she appears only in text, it's her. When she opens her mouth, it's an imposter. (barring a few nice bits)