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[MrNose]

 I think that its highly likely that Miranda's presences was cut due to some resource issues.  

My recollection of some of the leak info is that she originally WAS supposed to be the one on Cronos Station with you.  I'm guessing they realized they could swap in EDI and just decided to do that.

Edit, found a link to that information: 
http://everygamingne...-miranda-story/ 

Modifié par MrNose, 06 avril 2012 - 10:36 .

[jtav]

Heh. Ieldra wrote that. The roughest draft leak was actually worse than what we have.

[Vertigo_1]

TheHugonaut wrote...

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda should have been at TIM's base. It would have been so appropriate. The very first scene we get of her is at TIM's base. The story almost screams to let her return there.

This. All of it.

Exactly.

By the way, how do you receive the post-Sanctuary email? In my play-through (only one, I can't bring myself to do it again given the ending) she's loyal and survives Sanctuary. I didn't play LOTSB - is that the reason? 

Add me to that list.

And you need to do one more mission after that in order to get the email.

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

Heh. Ieldra wrote that. The roughest draft leak was actually worse than what we have.

Really?  That's hilarious.  

The roughest draft leak was incomprehensibly put together by the Russian leakers, so I never gave it that much thought honestly.  

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...
 I think that its highly likely that Miranda's presences was cut due to some resource issues.  

My recollection of some of the leak info is that she originally WAS supposed to be the one on Cronos Station with you.  I'm guessing they realized they could swap in EDI and just decided to do that.

Edit, found a link to that information: 
http://everygamingne...-miranda-story/ 

I'm flattered that this scene, which I wrote and which first appeared on page 831 of this very thread, is convincing enough that people believe it was planned for the game. Unfortunately, that is simply not true.

Funny how the internet works.

[MrNose]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MrNose wrote...
 I think that its highly likely that Miranda's presences was cut due to some resource issues.  

My recollection of some of the leak info is that she originally WAS supposed to be the one on Cronos Station with you.  I'm guessing they realized they could swap in EDI and just decided to do that.

Edit, found a link to that information: 
http://everygamingne...-miranda-story/ 

I'm flattered that this scene, which I wrote and which first appeared on page 831 of this very thread, is convincing enough that people believe it was planned for the game. Unfortunately, that is simply not true.

Funny how the internet works.

Yeah.  It popped up in my google alerts last year, and I was like "well this sounds interesting."  Good job!

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

You know when you should have first met her? Sanctum or Benning, leading a commando squad.

Mars.
Her team could have been the one we see figthing Cerberus inside the train.

[jtav]

The very first draft had Miranda only contacting you by email before Sanctuary. And she was a prisoner there who was about two seconds away from being Reaper chow.

[Obvakhi]

Is 'Dat Ass' forbidden from being discussed here?

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

The very first draft had Miranda only contacting you by email before Sanctuary. And she was a prisoner there who was about two seconds away from being Reaper chow.

I remember that. I don't get how someone of Bioware's writing team could thing this would be liked (with the exception of the haters).

[jtav]

Big strong Shepard gets to play knight in shining armor. And the strong woman needs you.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Shepards face is hilarious in that photo

[Td1984]

MrNose wrote...

The livepanel seems interesting so far. Weekes is there.

They asked for a show of hands, and apparently most of the audience voted ME2 as the best of the series.

Which is kind of funny, considering BW hated the way they implemented the SM. They wish they had done it differently.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

Big strong Shepard gets to play knight in shining armor. And the strong woman needs you.

Yeah, I know, but I still think it's awful, and I don't think a lot of people would've liked that. And the newcomers would've already chose Liara or Ashley.

[Td1984]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
Do you believe the rumors that Casey Hudson wrote and recorded the ending with little to no peer-review?

The rumors say Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wrote the endings without input from the team. I tend to believe them. It would explain a lot.

That's also heavily implied in the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 app

EDIT: 
Here's a quote from the app itself:

For weeks Hudson and Walters discussed the emotions they wanted players to feel at the end of the game and then wrote dialogue and scenes to support those feelings.

So they wanted us to react with "WTF?"

[The Elder King]

Td1984 wrote...

MrNose wrote...

The livepanel seems interesting so far. Weekes is there.

They asked for a show of hands, and apparently most of the audience voted ME2 as the best of the series.

Which is kind of funny, considering BW hated the way they implemented the SM. They wish they had done it differently.

Not only Bioware. I really hate how the SM was implemented, not only because it was ridicolously easy, but because the fact that  the "everyone could survive and everyone could die" concept cut off any possibility to see some of the ME2 exclusive squadmates as permanent squad members in ME3.

[Abraham_uk]

Big question

Please address this question.

Why didn't Miranda Lawson tell Shepard where the Cerberus base was? She was there talking to the Illusive Man at the beginning of ME 2. So after leaving Cerberus, she still didn't tell Shepard? What's up with that?

[jtav]

The base is mobile.

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Big strong Shepard gets to play knight in shining armor. And the strong woman needs you.

Yeah, I know, but I still think it's awful, and I don't think a lot of people would've liked that. And the newcomers would've already chose Liara or Ashley.

Well, I'm sure jtav agrees it's awful, as do I, but if the writing team is just thinking in clichés, then it is one of the ones that comes most easily to mind.

That's partly what I meant in my recent letter that the character in ME3 is warped to fit into certain stereotypes and thereby damaged. (Of course others expressed similar points.)

The final version is reworked so the original idea is somewhat... camouflaged, I guess you might say. But nowhere near enough.

Obvakhi wrote...
Is 'Dat Ass' forbidden from being discussed here?

No, what about it would you like to discuss?

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[hot_heart]

I could understand why ME2 was a firm favourite: the characters. Any writer worth anything should know this.

It has a strong character-focus (even if it is at detriment to the main campaign) and feels more like a TV show than a film. With ME3, the writing team were in the unfortunate position of having painted themselves into a corner. They provided some wonderful sections and setpieces but the whole war setting lights a firework up the butt that is your pacing. So, while the combat was improved further a lot of the narrative elements 'rushed' over the character stuff (even if it was captured beautifully, for the most part). And then there's that ending...

I think everyone's aware that's why the final section of the game is so jarring. It's so cold and impersonal, you'd think a robot wrote it.

Modifié par hot_heart, 06 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Big strong Shepard gets to play knight in shining armor. And the strong woman needs you.

Yeah, I know, but I still think it's awful, and I don't think a lot of people would've liked that. And the newcomers would've already chose Liara or Ashley.

Well, I'm sure jtav agrees it's awful, as do I, but if the writing team is just thinking in clichés, then it is one of the ones that comes most easily to mind.

That's partly what I meant in my recent letter that the character in ME3 is warped to fit into certain stereotypes and thereby damaged. (Of course others expressed similar points.)

The final version is reworked so the original idea is somewhat... camflouaged, I guess you might say. But nowhere near enough.

Yes, I agree. Plus, it's basically a modified version of her LM in ME2. Which would've been fine in ME2, not much in ME3, since the situation of the galaxy, and the fact that she should've been more involved in Cerberus.
I hope that in the case they'll do additional content for every LI, that Miranda will be more similar to how she was in ME2, or in the part of the game like the videos in Horizon or the email after the mission.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

I could understand why ME2 was a firm favourite: the characters. Any writer worth anything should know this.

True, and the SM is awesome, certainly one of the best/if not the single best finale of any game.

That doesn't stop it from being a stupid way to end the 2nd game of a trilogy, though, paradoxically.

What's odd about it is that its awesomness has nothing to do with the deaths of squad members. These are actually handled quite poorly. It's the overall epic build-up and the command decisions. So, I think it could probably have been implemented to be less of a design headache, while retaining the awesomeness.

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, I agree. Plus, it's basically a modified version of her LM in ME2. Which would've been fine in ME2, not much in ME3, since the situation of the galaxy, and the fact that she should've been more involved in Cerberus.
I hope that in the case they'll do additional content for every LI, that Miranda will be more similar to how she was in ME2, or in the part of the game like the videos in Horizon or the email after the mission.

Yes, absolutely. I just don't understand how/why they failed so miserably at this in the first place. I mean, I can see why (the writing is dominated by certain clichés and stereotypes), but I don't understand why they allowed that to happen.

Modifié par flemm, 06 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, I agree. Plus, it's basically a modified version of her LM in ME2. Which would've been fine in ME2, not much in ME3, since the situation of the galaxy, and the fact that she should've been more involved in Cerberus.
I hope that in the case they'll do additional content for every LI, that Miranda will be more similar to how she was in ME2, or in the part of the game like the videos in Horizon or the email after the mission.

Yes, absolutely. I just don't understand how/why they failed so miserably at this in the first place. I mean, I can see why (the writing is dominated by certain clichés and stereotypes, but I dn't understand why they allowed that to happen.

A different writer, maybe. Or the fact that she was sidelined, so they put less effort on her.

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...
A different writer, maybe. Or the fact that she was sidelined, so they put less effort on her.

Possibly, at least in part.

[jtav]

I think it's because Miranda polarized. The new version is insipid, but she doesn't inspire hatred. She no longer challenges Shep.