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[Attila 6]

What do you think of Ashley when she mentions Miranda at the hospital scene and about her argument:"I was hurt and angry" point?

[o Ventus]

Attila 6 wrote...

What do you think of Ashley when she mentions Miranda at the hospital scene and about her argument:"I was hurt and angry" point?

I. Hate. It. And I hate Ashley for saying it. Everything she says I despise with a passion hotter than Haestrom's sun.

Fortunately, I can contain my homicidal rage by simply choosing the renegade dialogue there.

[Attila 6]

Yeah but I wondering, she accepts Tali but not Jack and Miranda

[yesikareyes]

 
Hey guys, I just had an idea  After, finding out about the Extended Cut DLC and that there was a possibility Shepard can be reunited with his crew if we chose the right options. I rejoiced but then I remembered, Miranda isn't part of the crew  So I just wanted to make sure that Bioware includes Miranda in the extended ending by tweeting the Mass Effect twitter account. I was surprised that lots of people chimed in and supported the idea for more Miranda in the Extended Cut. Honestly, If they can't get Strahovski to voice Miranda... I'd die happy just to see a silent cutscene of Shepard finding Miranda or Miranda doing okay with Oriana (depending on what you chose) or better yet use recycled dialogue from ME2 and 3. lol

Anyway, my idea! One tweet could rally a bunch of people to support "Miranda in Extended Cut DLC" So, if we could just plan a specific time and day... where we can all tweet together, we could surely make a difference. Hope you guys like the idea! :happy:

Modifié par yesikareyes, 08 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[o Ventus]

Attila 6 wrote...

Yeah but I wondering, she accepts Tali but not Jack and Miranda

I thought she was hostile to all of them?

[Attila 6]

you know o Ventus when I broke up with Ashley at the Zakera Cafe she said:"I`m disappointed" but I dont see her really dissapointed unlike Miranda. Ashley always claims how her heart was broken and when she asking:"We had something, something important", I always thinking the line:"Yeah we had and you killed it."

[o Ventus]

Pretty much how I felt. I thought Shepard's "You don't get to be angry" line was perfect.

[Attila 6]

No o Ventus she said that Tali is like a sister to her. I thought yeah just like in ME? I think the main reason why she so hostile against Miranda and Jack is because she dont know them like Shepard do

[o Ventus]

Attila 6 wrote...

No o Ventus she said that Tali is like a sister to her. I thought yeah just like in ME? I think the main reason why she so hostile against Miranda and Jack is because she dont know them like Shepard do

She doesn't really know them at all.

Not Miranda at least, she's been on the run. She shouldn't even know about what happened between Shepard and Miranda, to be honest. She only does so Ashley can shame Shepard into going back to her.

She could possibly know Jack, since Jack is technically Alliance now.

[Attila 6]

Yeah and her response to that line literaly decides everything by me: She is still an immature girl.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

Attila 6 wrote...

Yeah but I wondering, she accepts Tali but not Jack and Miranda

I thought she was hostile to all of them?

No, she accepts Tali. I think it's Ashley's conservative mindset that makes her especially hostile to Miranda. Her implication that Miranda's not a real person because she was engineered is a good indication of that.

What does Ashley say about Jack?

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...

 Hey guys, I just had an idea  After, finding out about the Extended Cut DLC and that there was a possibility Shepard can be reunited with his crew if we chose the right options. I rejoiced but then I remembered, Miranda isn't part of the crew  So I just wanted to make sure that Bioware includes Miranda in the extended ending by tweeting the Mass Effect twitter account. I was surprised that lots of people chimed in and supported the idea for more Miranda in the Extended Cut. Honestly, If they can't get Strahovski to voice Miranda... I'd die happy just to see a silent cutscene of Shepard finding Miranda or Miranda doing okay with Oriana (depending on what you chose) or better yet use recycled dialogue from ME2 and 3. lol

Anyway, my idea! One tweet could rally a bunch of people to support "Miranda in Extended Cut DLC" So, if we could just plan a specific time and day... where we can all tweet together, we could surely make a difference. Hope you guys like the idea! :happy:

I already tweeted Jessica Merizan yesterday about not forgetting those LIs not on the Normandy (Jack and Miranda) in a possible reunion scene. I also said they should fix the flashback.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Well, the good news is that they've tapped Patrick Weekes and John Dombrow (Garrus and Javik's writer) to write the Extended Cut DLC.

One other thing that I forgot to mention from PAX was a little bit of clarification of what exactly happened on the Citadel once the Reapers moved it to Earth. Most of the people on the station who were in the Wards survived the Crucible.

The folks from the ME panel are going to be answering further questions tomorrow. I'm going to try to ask Mr. Weekes about the "it seems like a betrayal" line from the end of ME2.

It's hard to believe that when the Citadel was filled with people ready to be processed. I thought that the only organic alive in the Citadel when the Crucible was fired was Shepard. I doubt the reapers took the Citadel inhabitants alive.

It all depends on the time frame. There are millions of people on the Citadel, and the Reapers were in something of a hurry after getting the information about the Crucible. It's possible that Reaper minions swarmed the wards but the wrapping-up would take some time.

It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

[Ieldra]

Visii wrote...
That's part of a greater issue, I think. Most ME2 squadmates couldn't have shined in the small roles they were given. There simply wasn't enough time or interaction with them. Hell, Jack underwent the greatest "transformation" and yet you barely get to see the "new her".

Because ME3 tried to be standalone. Because ME3 wanted to lure in Halo/Gears of War fans, at any cost. Because, unfortunately, it seems that Bioware's MO when it comes to trilogies, is that characters can only be relevant for one game.

Yeah....at the cost of character integrity. that wouldn't have been necessary, at least not in Miranda's case. She has enough content that the Cerberus issue at least could have been discussed. And to have no exchange with her father is just criminal.

As for the MO, there's Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Tali and Garrus. I'd rather say the MO is that every new game must have a minimum number of new characters. That's not a bad guideline, the problem is that ME2 introduced too many of them.

[PlumPaul93]

Ieldra2 wrote...It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

Exactly, though I doubt anyone really cares if it isn't realistically possible.

[o Ventus]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

Exactly, though I doubt anyone really cares if it isn't realistically possible.

I certainly don't. They're bothering with free glorified extended cutscenes and mutliplayer DLC.

Even though *everyone* complaining about the endings want entirely new ones.

[Attila 6]

Ashley says about Jack: "I just thought your taste moved on to wanted criminals with shaved head. I`m not judgeing if that`s what generate your mass effect field". But she is not judgeing huh? I think Ashley in this scene either is about Miranda or Jack is simply pitiful (Kaiden handels this situation much better and mature).

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
On another note, remember that idea for an alternate version of the Gellix mission we discussed earlier in the thread? I've sort of expanded on that idea

Really good. That would've made Miranda Miranda again. Only where does that leave Jacob?

[PlumPaul93]

o Ventus wrote...I certainly don't. They're bothering with free glorified extended cutscenes and mutliplayer DLC.

Even though *everyone* complaining about the endings want entirely new ones.

I'm generally fine with the endings we have (though heavy "clarification" is needed). All Bioware has to do is have an ending where Shepard goes out with their LI and most of the people who hate the endings will praise them.

[PlumPaul93]

Attila 6 wrote...

Ashley says about Jack: "I just thought your taste moved on to wanted criminals with shaved head. I`m not judgeing if that`s what generate your mass effect field". But she is not judgeing huh? I think Ashley in this scene either is about Miranda or Jack is simply pitiful (Kaiden handels this situation much better and mature).

It has to do with Ashley being more emotional throughout the series and Kaiden being more serious IMO.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

Exactly, though I doubt anyone really cares if it isn't realistically possible.

I certainly don't. They're bothering with free glorified extended cutscenes and mutliplayer DLC.

Even though *everyone* complaining about the endings want entirely new ones.

Untrue. I like the final choice as such and have said so from the start. It's the insufficiently explained rationale for it, the nonsense in the Synthesis description and some of the consequences of the choice (destroyed relays in all endings, destroyed closure as one side effect, plot holes created by the stranded Normandy etc.) I take issue with.

As for "not realistically possible", people always use their imagination to fill gaps like this. That's how it's supposed to be. We did that when speculating about Miranda in ME2, interpreting what she says and what we're told about her in different ways according to our own preferences. As long as it's not outright contradictory and it is emotionally satisfying, few people will complain.  

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Any idea what non-fans think about her role? I'm pretty happy with everyone else (aside from romanced Jacob and Ash) so I'm wondering if I'm disappointed in Miranda because I'm a fan or because she's badly done.

It may be both. That Miranda should be present at Cronos Station should be obvious to everyone. Apart from the Cerberus angle that needed resolution, it would have been such a nice way of making her story arc end where it began in ME2.

That Miranda is not controversial anymore and has lost defining character traits might not be as obvious to non-fans. 

[o Ventus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

Exactly, though I doubt anyone really cares if it isn't realistically possible.

I certainly don't. They're bothering with free glorified extended cutscenes and mutliplayer DLC.

Even though *everyone* complaining about the endings want entirely new ones.

Untrue. I like the final choice as such and have said so from the start. It's the insufficiently explained rationale for it, the nonsense in the Synthesis description and some of the consequences of the choice (destroyed relays in all endings, destroyed closure as one side effect, plot holes created by the stranded Normandy etc.) I take issue with.

As for "not realistically possible", people always use their imagination to fill gaps like this. That's how it's supposed to be. We did that when speculating about Miranda in ME2, interpreting what she says and what we're told about her in different ways according to our own preferences. As long as it's not outright contradictory and it is emotionally satisfying, few people will complain.  

Did you read what I wrote? I said "everyone *complaining* about the endings (See: Everyone who dislikes the endings) wants new ones (I have yet to meet one who doesn't)". If you like them, then that doesn't apply to you. Don't reply to me if you're going to get mad at me for nothing.

Oh, and Destroy > Control.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm saying you need to look elsewhere for hearts, flowers, and romantic declarations. That's just not her under ordinary circumstances.

Yes, that's why I'm not as bothered as some other people by the perfunctory treatment of the romance. I would have liked one more kiss and a more extended romance scene, but the current version is OK.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...It may not be the most plausible outcome, but I think that the ME3 team is inclined to put a positive spin on things wherever possible after the reaction to the ending.

Exactly, though I doubt anyone really cares if it isn't realistically possible.

I certainly don't. They're bothering with free glorified extended cutscenes and mutliplayer DLC.

Even though *everyone* complaining about the endings want entirely new ones.

Untrue. I like the final choice as such and have said so from the start. It's the insufficiently explained rationale for it, the nonsense in the Synthesis description and some of the consequences of the choice (destroyed relays in all endings, destroyed closure as one side effect, plot holes created by the stranded Normandy etc.) I take issue with.

As for "not realistically possible", people always use their imagination to fill gaps like this. That's how it's supposed to be. We did that when speculating about Miranda in ME2, interpreting what she says and what we're told about her in different ways according to our own preferences. As long as it's not outright contradictory and it is emotionally satisfying, few people will complain.  

Did you read what I wrote? I said "everyone *complaining* about the endings (See: Everyone who dislikes the endings) wants new ones (I have yet to meet one who doesn't)". If you like them, then that doesn't apply to you. Don't reply to me if you're going to get mad at me for nothing.

It appears you cannot distinguish between "I diagree" and "I'm mad at you". Believe me, if I was mad at you, you'd know it. And it's still untrue. I have complained about the ending in several threads, it's just different aspects of them than the final choice as such, and I'm not the only one by far, so it is definitely false that everyone complaining about the endings wants completely new ones.

Oh, and Destroy > Control.

Nice try, troll. But can we take this to a thread where it is on-topic?