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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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hhh89 wrote...

I have a question about the Normandy crash. I read that after the crash the two companions with the highest friendship will come out the Normandy. In my playthrough (Miranda's romance) Joker, EDI and Javik came out. Why didn't another squadmate came out? It's because EDI is supposed to be the first or the second in the friendship's rank, or because there's a bug on that scene?
Though I still wonder why Javik came out. I though Garrus, Tali or Liara should've come out (maybe Liara died in the last part of the mission, but Javik was in the mission too, and he came out, so I doubt that she died and Javik not).


The execution of the Joker-crash landing scene has no logic. I wouldn't even waste time trying to figure it out. 

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Can you guys do me a quick favor? Take a peek at these threads. I'm gathering a little list of the flaws and implications presented in each ending, in an attempt to finally prove just how god-awful they all really are.

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CuseGirl wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I have a question about the Normandy crash. I read that after the crash the two companions with the highest friendship will come out the Normandy. In my playthrough (Miranda's romance) Joker, EDI and Javik came out. Why didn't another squadmate came out? It's because EDI is supposed to be the first or the second in the friendship's rank, or because there's a bug on that scene?
Though I still wonder why Javik came out. I though Garrus, Tali or Liara should've come out (maybe Liara died in the last part of the mission, but Javik was in the mission too, and he came out, so I doubt that she died and Javik not).


The execution of the Joker-crash landing scene has no logic. I wouldn't even waste time trying to figure it out. 


I was curious about it, especially because I didn't think my highest friendship rank was with Javik. And I hoped that Garrus or Tali were in the scene so that I could headcanon that Javik and Liara are still on Earth :P

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I believe that it is one of your squadmates and the person who you talked to the most. It has worked with me using that theory.

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hhh89 wrote...
Well, it will be probably difficult to do it again. Consider that billions of credits were put on the project, and that it's unlikely that someone will spend that aumont of resources again to bring back Shepard. I mean, the galaxy is (more or less) safe. There's no need to bring back Shepard. People die during war.


Exactly. I figure people would understand the sacrifice and accept it.

Since the trilogy was supposed to end Shepard's story, I was fully prepared for him to die at the end. I was actually under the impression he was the Catalyst (imprinted upon him by the Prothean Beacon, and why TIM considered him so vital). That way Shepard really did have a huge personally responsibility weighing on him.

Oh, well...

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I wonder what Oriana's adoptive parents would make of Miranda? Would be understandable if they wanted to keep Oriana well way from her given the complications...

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hhh89 wrote...
I was curious about it, especially because I didn't think my highest friendship rank was with Javik. And I hoped that Garrus or Tali were in the scene so that I could headcanon that Javik and Liara are still on Earth :P


I didn't buy From Ashes, so I have no clue about Javik.....

Also, I romanced Miranda in a good number of my saves, so the Joker crash landing is a BIGGER disappointment for me. I was waiting for something to happen after it, to show people back on Earth, like Miranda landing her fighter jet or Jacob or Grunt doing something.

I think in 2 of my saves, Joker, Liara and James walk out. 

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Mr Plow wrote...

I wonder what Oriana's adoptive parents would make of Miranda? Would be understandable if they wanted to keep Oriana well way from her given the complications...


Probably, yeah.

Are her adoptive parents even still alive? They come off as almost incompetent, what with Oriana being nearly kidnapped in ME2, and actually taken in ME3.

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I assume her parents are dead. If Miranda died, Ori goes with Henry after he apologizes and says he wants to make up for lost time.

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o Ventus wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

I wonder what Oriana's adoptive parents would make of Miranda? Would be understandable if they wanted to keep Oriana well way from her given the complications...


Probably, yeah.

Are her adoptive parents even still alive? They come off as almost incompetent, what with Oriana being nearly kidnapped in ME2, and actually taken in ME3.



Well I wouldn't call them incompetent - they are happily being relocated to a new job and are understandably unware there is a squad of mercenaries after them in ME2.   And in ME3 how would they have known a terrorist group was going to snatch their daughter off the streets. 

So that is another unknown...what happens with her adoptive parents.  Along with no Ashley/Miranda dialogue, No Miranda at the Cereberus base, lmited Miranda content period...Oh God this game.... Image IPB

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The folks from the ME panel are going to be answering further questions tomorrow. I'm going to try to ask Mr. Weekes about the "it seems like a betrayal" line from the end of ME2.

Could you ask him about Miranda in ME3 please? He said a while ago via twitter that he 'helped' the writer who wrote her in ME3.  Perhaps ask about how some fans were disappointing in her characterization in 3?  I'd like to hear what he has to say in general about her...

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Mr Plow wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

I wonder what Oriana's adoptive parents would make of Miranda? Would be understandable if they wanted to keep Oriana well way from her given the complications...


Probably, yeah.

Are her adoptive parents even still alive? They come off as almost incompetent, what with Oriana being nearly kidnapped in ME2, and actually taken in ME3.



Well I wouldn't call them incompetent - they are happily being relocated to a new job and are understandably unware there is a squad of mercenaries after them in ME2.   And in ME3 how would they have known a terrorist group was going to snatch their daughter off the streets. 

So that is another unknown...what happens with her adoptive parents.  Along with no Ashley/Miranda dialogue, No Miranda at the Cereberus base, lmited Miranda content period...Oh God this game.... Image IPB


If it isn't a plot hole, it's an inconvenience.

If it isn't bad writing, it's poor implementation, if isn't either of the other 4, it doesn't exist.

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Vertigo_1 wrote...
Could you ask him about Miranda in ME3 please? He said a while ago via twitter that he 'helped' the writer who wrote her in ME3.  Perhaps ask about how some fans were disappointing in her characterization in 3?  I'd like to hear what he has to say in general about her...


Yes, it would be interesting.

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The only way to consider the Lazarus Project is that it was a complete exception and unrepeatable.

No way to posit that convincingly. Even if you consider that Reaper tech might have been involved, what was once done can be repeated. It's just a matter of persistence and resources.

Otherwise you've got people wondering why there's no cure to Kepral's Syndrome, Ardat-Yakshi 'disease' or whatever Miranda's infertility is.

Actually, Ardat-Yakshi syndrome can be cured if detected early enough, by genetic engineering. Samara says it's incurable after it manifests at puberty. Also, Thane said the hanar were working on a cure for Kepral's, so that's possible to cure as well in the near future. Miranda's infertility - that was bad writing right from the start.

I get the feeling the death of Shepard in ME2 was just considered a cool hook without thought about the proper implications. But it gave us Miranda, so we'll call it quits...

I have no problem with claiming that death isn't what it used to be in the post-Disaster era. Especially if you avoid the Destroy scenario. It's already present as a theme, and after all an organism is just information in the end. As long as someone has a DNA sample of Shepard, a record of his synthetic enhancements and as long as the data that make up his mind still exist, it's possible to reconstruct him. It's a new world - as Miranda says, everything will change. Whole SF worlds have been built around the concept that death isn't what it used to be. I guess it would still be rare in any post-Disaster scenario created by Bioware, but only because they like don't want such a world, not for any plausibility reason.

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DNA sample? He's disintegrated in 2/3 endings. In the last one, he takes the Citadel's power conduit blowing his face off and the Citadel itself exploding and crashing down on top of him.

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We gathered 130 letters and art of the LI's from fans all over the world over the course of six days and turned it into a 200 page book. We presented it to the BioWare team at PAX, and they have promised to go through it.

Now, a digital edition of The Book, the very same book that is in the DEV's hands, can be yours.

http://k003.kiwi6.co...q2/the_book.pdf

Alternatively, http://kiwi6.com/file/0f67f2raq2.

Thanks for the support everyone! Keep up the questions about the LI's on Twitter and Facebook! Keep up the questions about The Book until we get some feedback on our feedback! And hang around, 'cause we're not done just yet!

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o Ventus wrote...
DNA sample? He's disintegrated in 2/3 endings. In the last one, he takes the Citadel's power conduit blowing his face off and the Citadel itself exploding and crashing down on top of him.

DNA samples can be taken at any time. All Alliance soldiers have genetic enhancements, so I'm quite sure someone has a sample.

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I'm not talking about the technical aspects of Lazarus, so much as the narrative ones. I mean, it did take a lot of time, effort and resources. Would enough people consider it worth that now? Admittedly, that would be interesting to explore.

Again, you could be here all day trying to figure out why certain medical conditions still even exist. As far as a willing suspension of disbelief is concerned, I'd say Lazarus was a one-time deal. Personally, that's the only way I would find a balance in what was written.

Anyway, I've got a bit further with my Miranda writing exercise. Would be good to get some feedback.

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And, if I may, Shepard's mind is either disseminated across all life or stuck in the Citadel. Recover or reconstruct that and you can create a body.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
DNA sample? He's disintegrated in 2/3 endings. In the last one, he takes the Citadel's power conduit blowing his face off and the Citadel itself exploding and crashing down on top of him.

DNA samples can be taken at any time. All Alliance soldiers have genetic enhancements, so I'm quite sure someone has a sample.


Alliance soldiers enhancement? Likely recorded at an Alliance base on Earth or on Arcuturus? Arcturus is annihilated, and Earth is occupied for the span of the game (presumably just "a couple of months", going off Hackett). Not saying they don't have more bases, but wouldn't it make sense to keep vital records kept at the most defensible locations? One of which destroyed, the other nearly so.

To quote Legion: "Greater than zero percent chance of failure."

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Yep they can go all Doctor Who and grow a new Shepard out of his spare hand

Well OK not his spare hand but something.

Would just let him rest in peace myself

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@hot_heart:
That's a design decision though. Whole SF worlds have been made around the concept that death isn't quite as final anymore and that the old diseases have mostly gone away, and interesting stories are still written in those worlds. It's not an insurmountable problem. I doubt any official post-Disaster timeline will ever canonize that, not with a mainstream universe like the ME universe, but I don't require that for my headcanon. All I need is that the possibility is not officially denied. Apart from that, in the Synthesis it practically comes with the package.

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@ Mr. Plow

I was wondering why Shepard didn't run into the TARDIS while fighting through the streets of London.

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o Ventus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
DNA sample? He's disintegrated in 2/3 endings. In the last one, he takes the Citadel's power conduit blowing his face off and the Citadel itself exploding and crashing down on top of him.

DNA samples can be taken at any time. All Alliance soldiers have genetic enhancements, so I'm quite sure someone has a sample.

Alliance soldiers enhancement? Likely recorded at an Alliance base on Earth or on Arcuturus? Arcturus is annihilated, and Earth is occupied for the span of the game (presumably just "a couple of months", going off Hackett). Not saying they don't have more bases, but wouldn't it make sense to keep vital records kept at the most defensible locations? One of which destroyed, the other nearly so.

To quote Legion: "Greater than zero percent chance of failure."

"Likely"? Bah. I'll tell you what's just as likely: that every Alliance soldier leaves a DNA trail that would be impossible to eradicate if you tried. It's basically a design decision: you want a DNA sample to exist, OK, there are infinite ways to make that plausible. You don't want one to exist? There are also infinite ways to make that plausible.

What I'm wondering is why you appear to have a vested interest in the negative.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

What I'm wondering is why you appear to have a vested interest in the negative.


I find that the negatives feel less like ass-pulls or bad writing.

And I'm naturally pessimistic, with a dash of realist.