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[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Logically, of course not. Just like I can't imagine why Shepard didn't imediatelly recognize the surname rather than going "Who exactly is your father?"

Not to mention that revealing her real name to Shepard or anyone he brough aboard whose loyalties to Cerberus were sketchy at best is nonsensical.
It's not just nonsensical, it's also insulting to the fans. They obviously had no clear idea who Miranda's father was supposed to be at the time of ME2. And, when they decided to include him in ME3, they just called him Lawson because they tough revealing that Miranda's name was fake would confuse the fans.

But the biggest offender is that people speculated about who her real father was much like they speculated who the SB or TIM were.
Henry Lawson is no one. He is a completely new character unlike, say, an Eldfell or an Ashland.
We don't even have any clue as to what kind of business the Lawson family runs.

Again we come back to the commonality of a name like "Lawson". And I see no reason why Lawson should be well known, to the player or anyone else. With all the things we assume he's doing in pursuit of his legacy keeping his head down and not being an overt mogul helps keep the public eye off him wihout having to resort to a false alias (not that he'd be greatly incovenienced to use one if the need arose).
As for using her name in front of Shepard's recruits I don't find it problematic because a)TIM himself already showed Shepard enough trust to talk to him face to face (sort of) and Jacob spilled the beans already.

This really isn't a big deal. I think you're just making too much of it.

[kookie28]

Asakawa wrote...

"and now for something completely different..."

I remember when i first made this.


I should clean the text and write something: Any news on a ME2 squadmate DLC?

or: Any news about me showing up in the ending scene?

Anyway, write down your ideas =p

Lol very good

[jtav]

Except he's stated to be a very wealthy and powerful businessman. That necessitates a certain media presence. Not recognizing his name is a bit like not recognizing Warren Buffet. The only thing I can figure is that Henry decided long ago that he only cared about getting Ori back so Miranda can do what she likes. Her surname makes her unsuitable for covert ops, but Lazarus wasn't that.

[Skullheart]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Again we come back to the commonality of a name like "Lawson". And I see no reason why Lawson should be well known, to the player or anyone else.

If a merc can recognize the name of "the richest man in the galaxy" how can Shepard be so dumb to not make the connection betwen Miranda and Henry.

Lawson just shouldn't be Miranda real surname. An as a side note, I think Oriana should say the surname of her adoptive parents instead introducing herself as Oriana Lawson on Sanctuary.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Except he's stated to be a very wealthy and powerful businessman. That necessitates a certain media presence. Not recognizing his name is a bit like not recognizing Warren Buffet. The only thing I can figure is that Henry decided long ago that he only cared about getting Ori back so Miranda can do what she likes. Her surname makes her unsuitable for covert ops, but Lazarus wasn't that.

I can disprove your point by personal example alone: Warren who? I'm not being cheeky I honestly don't know who that is. I'm a gamer and don't really pay attention to business news. Maybe I'm more clueless than most but the same sort of reasoning can be applied to Shepard. He's a soldier who doesn't really have time to catch up on the space equivalent of Wall Street.

And all this is beside the point that "rich and powerful" doesn't automatically translate to well-known tyrant. Hell Lawson could've gotten rich selling space Band-Aids and despite being worth millions few know what he really uses his resources for.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Again we come back to the commonality of a name like "Lawson". And I see no reason why Lawson should be well known, to the player or anyone else. With all the things we assume he's doing in pursuit of his legacy keeping his head down and not being an overt mogul helps keep the public eye off him wihout having to resort to a false alias (not that he'd be greatly incovenienced to use one if the need arose).

The richest sentient in the galaxy is going to attract a lot of media attention, wheter he likes it or not. People might not be aware of his..."personal project" but everyone would know the Lawson name.
Also, this goes against his personality. He is an egocentric who wants to be seen as the savior of the human race. I find it more likely he takes every opportunity to flaunt his wealth.

As for using her name in front of Shepard's recruits I don't find it problematic because a)TIM himself already showed Shepard enough trust to talk to him face to face (sort of)

TIM has no double life. He never leaves the station and even so, no one in the galaxy knows his real name.

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...
If a merc can recognize the name of "the richest man in the galaxy" how can Shepard be so dumb to not make the connection betwen Miranda and Henry.

Lawson just shouldn't be Miranda real surname. An as a side note, I think Oriana should say the surname of her adoptive parents instead introducing herself as Oriana Lawson on Sanctuary.

Name the current richest man in the word without googling, right now. Would you be right? I don't know but I don't put your chances at 100%. People know all sorts of weird **** and "richest man in the galaxy" sounds like exaggeration anyway.

If I meet a dude named Gates or Walton that tells me he's got a relative in buisness, am I a ****** for not automatically assuming Bill Gates or the WalMart guy? No. It's all about context. Hell I personally have the last name of a popular business in North America. Are people going to automatically assume I'm related to the guy who owns it? No. Definitively no. So you're really getting far too worked up about this name thing.

I agree about Oriana though, she has no reason to identify with "Lawson" as her surname, especially since she was taken as a baby.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I can disprove your point by personal example alone: Warren who? I'm not being cheeky I honestly don't know who that is. I'm a gamer and don't really pay attention to business news. Maybe I'm more clueless than most but the same sort of reasoning can be applied to Shepard. He's a soldier who doesn't really have time to catch up on the space equivalent of Wall Street.

Shepard is more than the soldier. He is the first human Spectre, the face of humanity.
He has to know these things. In "Revelation", Saren was able to recognize one of the wealthiest batarians, not even the wealthiest, after hearing his name once.

Also, even if we were to accept that Shepard did not know, a quick extranet search for "Lawson" and "Rich" would lead him to Miranda's father.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
The richest sentient in the galaxy is going to attract a lot of media attention, wheter he likes it or not. People might not be aware of his..."personal project" but everyone would know the Lawson name.
Also, this goes against his personality. He is an egocentric who wants to be seen as the savior of the human race. I find it more likely he takes every opportunity to flaunt his wealth.

See below I already adressed this. And yes he would flaunt his wealth. But not his project, not until it was finished. And it most definitely was not finished.

TIM has no double life. He never leaves the station and even so, no one in the galaxy knows his real name.

Most have never seen his face. They have vague sketches at best. That alone might be enough to track him down.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Shepard is more than the soldier. He is the first human Spectre, the face of humanity.
He has to know these things. In "Revelation", Saren was able to recognize one of the wealthiest batarians, not even the wealthiest, after hearing his name once.

I disagree he has to know these things. And even if I cede that point Shepard's new at the whole Spectre game. Saren was already an old hand.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 avril 2012 - 08:22 .

[kookie28]

I love a good speculation match.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
See below I already adressed this. And yes he would flaunt his wealth. But not his project, not until it was finished. And it most definitely was not finished.

But he was still the richest sentient in the galaxy and he would want everyone and their mothers to know that he was, infact, wealthier than them and he could buy and sell them a million times over if he wanted.

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Most have never seen his face. They have vague sketches at best. That alone might be enough to track him down.

If he ever left Cronos, which I doubt.

[jtav]

TIM does leave Cronos. Remember all those women he slept with. I somehow doubt he brought them on the station.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
But he was still the richest sentient in the galaxy and he would want everyone and their mothers to know that he was, infact, wealthier than them and he could buy and sell them a million times over if he wanted.

My point remains even if you know who the richest man in the world/galaxy is, you aren't going to automatically assume you know someone related. In fact I would argue most us assume a level of obscurity about our lives. Which means you are actually likely to assume the opposite.

If he ever left Cronos, which I doubt.

Granted, but that's still more information than TIM would like known. Particularly since they can ID him and find out his real name if they have his face. Also ninja'd by jtav, who's right about the women. Also a lesser example is that station where they were keeping Grayson in Retribution. Remember how the turians had orders to try and capture anyone who might be TIM? Something like that might go a lot smoother if they knew exactly what he looked like

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What would Miri do if she were to take control of Cronos? Would she take over Cerberus and fix it, OR would she create a new Organization, one that is MUCH Better and Peace Keeping, advancing Humanity in a BETTER Way?

I can imagine Miri coming with us to take down Cronos Station, where she sits on the Chair instead of Shepard, then TIM would say "You're in My Chair" to her.

I would PERSONALLY Persuade Miri to Stay With Me:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 09 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Anyone else somewhat perplexed by Miranda's initial e-mail in ME3?

The first time through, I imported a female Shepard who despises Cerberus and didn't particularly get along with Miranda in ME2, i.e. lost her loyalty over the fight with Jack and got the cold shoulder from her in later attempts to chat (though I think she still said she approved of blowing up the Collector base). So I wasn't too shocked at her initial message about the "nonsense" the Alliance must have used to get Shepard back and expected that I'd probably find her having remained with Cerberus.

Then I actually talked to her and find that she's apparently off on her own and had a rather unpleasant final exchange with the Illusive Man and seemingly at least vaguely supportive of what Shepard is doing. But if she's ditched Cerberus herself (or been ditched by them) and knows what's going on in the galaxy, why is she surprised that Shepard is back with the Alliance or think that the Alliance must have fed Shepard "nonsense" to get her back? If nothing else, the Alliance is clearly the best opportunity for Shepard to fight the Reapers under the circumstances, unless the Council had built yet another Normandy in the meantime and were ready to support Shepard as an independent Spectre.

[MisterJB]

We should attempt to learn if Miranda's dossier and TIM's were written by the same person.

Woman who brough the dead back to life using science can't cure her own infertility. Reclusive leader of a secretive terrorist organization, paranoid enough to move an entire space station everytime one his most trusted associates comes aboard, has sex with highly mediatic women.

That sounds about equally stupid to me.

[MisterJB]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...
Then I actually talked to her and find that she's apparently off on her own and had a rather unpleasant final exchange with the Illusive Man and seemingly at least vaguely supportive of what Shepard is doing. But if she's ditched Cerberus herself (or been ditched by them) and knows what's going on in the galaxy, why is she surprised that Shepard is back with the Alliance or think that the Alliance must have fed Shepard "nonsense" to get her back? If nothing else, the Alliance is clearly the best opportunity for Shepard to fight the Reapers under the circumstances, unless the Council had built yet another Normandy in the meantime and were ready to support Shepard as an independent Spectre.

Because Miranda despises the Alliance. And she is right, they are blind idiots.

Cerberus' change in methods may have been enough to get Miranda to leave the organization but that doesn't mean her opinion regarding the Alliance has changed.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

We should attempt to learn if Miranda's dossier and TIM's were written by the same person.

Woman who brough the dead back to life using science can't cure her own infertility. Reclusive leader of a secretive terrorist organization, paranoid enough to move an entire space station everytime one his most trusted associates comes aboard, has sex with highly mediatic women.

That sounds about equally stupid to me.

Well the two aren't exactly the same. I think you're underestimating the power of anonymity.  You see a guy having a drink in a bar or indeed picking up a hooker, you automatically going to assume he's up to no good?  I think aliases, disguises and cover stories are just toppings. The meat of infiltration is just not standing out, not being inconspicous. TIM blending into a crowd is not logic failure.

Of course those eyes are rather hard to forget. I wonder if he wears contacts when he goes on booty calls...

[Lawrence0294]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...



I can imagine Miri coming with us to take down Cronos Station, where she sits on the Chair instead of Shepard, then TIM would say "You're in My Chair" to her.

I would PERSONALLY Persuade Miri to Stay With Me:wub:.

I had the EXACT same thought 

[wright1978]

MisterJB wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...
Then I actually talked to her and find that she's apparently off on her own and had a rather unpleasant final exchange with the Illusive Man and seemingly at least vaguely supportive of what Shepard is doing. But if she's ditched Cerberus herself (or been ditched by them) and knows what's going on in the galaxy, why is she surprised that Shepard is back with the Alliance or think that the Alliance must have fed Shepard "nonsense" to get her back? If nothing else, the Alliance is clearly the best opportunity for Shepard to fight the Reapers under the circumstances, unless the Council had built yet another Normandy in the meantime and were ready to support Shepard as an independent Spectre.

Because Miranda despises the Alliance. And she is right, they are blind idiots.

Cerberus' change in methods may have been enough to get Miranda to leave the organization but that doesn't mean her opinion regarding the Alliance has changed.

Another thing that annoyed me about ME3 was the Shep-Alliance love-in railroading. Spent entirety of ME2 bitter at them and in a relationship with a woman who is highly critical of them. Just glad so far she's stayed apartfrom them. Now just have to worry the extended DLC doesn't ruin her.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
My point remains even if you know who the richest man in the world/galaxy is, you aren't going to automatically assume you know someone related. In fact I would argue most us assume a level of obscurity about our lives. Which means you are actually likely to assume the opposite.

If I suddenly met someone named Gates who told me she was hiding from her father who was a very influential businessman, I would have to at least consider the possibility it is THE Bill Gates and question her about it.

Remember how the turians had orders to try and capture anyone who might be TIM? Something like that might go a lot smoother if they knew exactly what he looked like

Grayson met TIM in person and he probrably left a description of him on the files he passed along to Sanders.

CrutchCricket wrote...
Well the two aren't exactly the same. I think you're underestimating the power of anonymity.  You see a guy having a drink in a bar or indeed picking up a hooker, you automatically going to assume he's up to no good?  I think aliases, disguises and cover stories are just toppings. The meat of infiltration is just not standing out, not being inconspicous. TIM blending into a crowd is not logic failure.

Of course those eyes are rather hard to forget. I wonder if he wears contacts when he goes on booty calls...

-Sani Shelani, Illium Entertainment's Sexiest Human Alive
-Brooke Karrigar, Skyball Champion
-Vela Vicious, Fornax Dream Girl 2185
-Staci and Stephi Strong, the "Terra Firma Twins"
-Matriarch Trellani

We are not talking about going to a random bar and seducing a random girl. These are famous women.
Ultimately, it's a foolish and unnacessary risk for some who is described as "paranoid" about his own security.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
If I suddenly met someone named Gates who told me she was hiding from her father who was a very influential businessman, I would have to at least consider the possibility it is THE Bill Gates and question her about it.

It's not a given that you might make that connection. Besides Miranda's obviously evasive when Shepard asks who her father is. She just dismisses his question with "a businessman". So clearly she doesn't want to ID him that easily. But if Lawson's that famous even "a businessman" might be too much information. So why would she say that. She slipped? Not likely. Bad writing? Doubful, that scene was pretty well written overall. The only remaining conclusion is that "a buisnessman" really isn't that big a clue. Ergo not everyone knows Lawson or automatically thinks of him everytime that name is mentioned.

Grayson met TIM in person and he probrably left a description of him on the files he passed along to Sanders.

Exactly. With Shepard describing him they could refine their search.

Ultimately, it's a foolish and unnacessary risk for some who is described as "paranoid" about his own security.

Hey I agree. But I guess he's only human. Even he has vices, weaknesses. I think that was the point of that list.

[kookie28]

Would someone hit me with a truck if I asked who Grayson is? I don't read the novels.

[flemm]

Asakawa wrote...



I should clean the text and write something: Any news on a ME2 squadmate DLC?

or: Any news about me showing up in the ending scene?

Anyway, write down your ideas =p

LoL, Awesome.

"Have they fixed my crap role in ME3 yet?"