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[jtav]

I thought I stuck it in the OP?

[cbutz]

"Miranda in ME3 needs some DLC
1) More missions with Miranda - We think Shepard should be able to ask Miranda to join
up after her mission on Sanctuary, and that she should help lead the assault on TIM's base.
Shepard and Miranda should finish this together. Another possibility would be Shepard fighting
alongside Miranda to take out Cerberus installations either before or after Sanctuary. We want
to see Miranda working as a leader and operative.
2) Romance - We would like to have a fully-implemented romance scene, and to be able
to invite Miranda aboard the Normandy. This last part is important, as an expression of trust and
support. Shepard and Miranda should share some "pillow talk" after the romance scene. The
final flashback should recognize Miranda, if romanced, along with all the other romances that
are currently excluded.
3) Endgame - We would like to see Miranda make an impact on the endgame in terms of
plot options or war assets. Miranda's survival should matter.
4) Closure - We feel there are significant character traits and story arcs related to Miranda
that don't receive sufficient attention in ME3.
The lack of any dialogue addressing Miranda's view of TIM's new, more extreme tactics feels like
a glaring omission, given her previous allegiance to the organization. We would like to hear
Miranda talk about her work with Cerberus in the past, how she feels about it now, and what her
goals are moving forward. We would like to see her embrace her origins and outgrow her
insecurity about her genetic enhancements following the confrontation with her father."

[cbutz]

One interesting thing I read in the Li fanbook thread was that the devs said that the chances of having dlc for one LI were small, but if they did it for a a group of Li characters then they could do it. Then again that was about LI DLC and not character DLC. So it appears more joint projects etc. are in order if we want to get what we want.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Can anyone recall our wishlist for a possible DLC with Miranda? Since they *say* they're ruling nothing out, and also say persistence helps, we might as well get somewhat persistent.

Perhaps include that wishlist in the fanbook?

Indeed. The wishlist will be in the fanbook, no doubt. This is a substantial project that will take a little time to do right.

In the meantime, we should keep tweeting regularly, and of course support any joint projects, etc. It's always been more likely that a DLC would include several characters, as that broadens the appeal and covers for the "might be dead" aspect to a greater extent.

Link to the DLC Wish List:


http://social.biowar...9/1772#10778625


I should probably put that in my sig.

[cbutz]

Yea, I've been tweeting. I will probably tweet some more in a few day. Do not want to be spammy. This has to be slow constant pressure, like weathering. Especially since they are focusing on the ending dlc. Funny, I thought with the ending DLC already being decided upon, I thought that my activity in the forums and movements would cease. Of course right when that winded down, a new cause arose, one that I feel has a slightly better chance due to not being restricted to "artistic integrity"

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I thought I stuck it in the OP?

Didn't see it. But you can put flemm's link above in the OP now

[flemm]

cbutz wrote...

Yea, I've been tweeting. I will probably tweet some more in a few day. Do not want to be spammy. This has to be slow constant pressure, like weathering. Especially since they are focusing on the ending dlc. Funny, I thought with the ending DLC already being decided upon, I thought that my activity in the forums and movements would cease. Of course right when that winded down, a new cause arose, one that I feel has a slightly better chance due to not being restricted to "artistic integrity"

I like the "weathering" analogy

As to your last point, I agree. They will plausibly be looking for ways to make fans happy that are feasible, since they will never be able to fix the endings to everyone's satisfaction. So, we might as well give them an opportunity to choose some extra content for ME2 characters as a means of doing that.

Modifié par flemm, 11 avril 2012 - 03:31 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
As to your last point, I agree. They will plausibly be looking for ways to make fans happy that are feasible, since they will never be able to fix the endings to everyone's satisfaction.

Never say never flemm.

Besides the point isn't to please everyone but rather to stop undoing the entire franchise. Give me an ending that is consistent with the world and it can be the most loathsome depressing and bleak downer ending ever. I'll be fine with that. It'll probably be easier to circumvent for headcanon as well.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Besides the point isn't to please everyone but rather to stop undoing the entire franchise. Give me an ending that is consistent with the world and it can be the most loathsome depressing and bleak downer ending ever. I'll be fine with that. It'll probably be easier to circumvent for headcanon as well.

Well, I think they are going to do away with the "we destroyed the whole universe" side of things to the extent possible.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, I think they are going to do away with the "we destroyed the whole universe" side of things to the extent possible.

Not with "carification" they're not. And I wasn't just talking about the actual world (i.e. relays, planets etc)

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Not with "carification" they're not. And I wasn't just talking about the actual world (i.e. relays, planets etc)

That's sort of what I meant when I said earlier that they probably won't be able to fix the endings to everyone's satisfaction

I meant: "You still won't like them."

Not just you, I'm kidding

Modifié par flemm, 11 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[CrutchCricket]

Clarification isn't fixing, it's explaining. I still won't like them because they'll still be "broken".

[cbutz]

I guess what I was trying to say was that whatever the ending will be, will be.Bioware will do what it wants. I guess I am turning my energies and efforts to other causes, in hopes that the ending will turn for the better. What I would not like to see , is the ending be good and then us be unprepared to help bolster ME 2 characters content. Hopefully Bioware can be convinced to do something for the ME 2 characters before even releasing the ending DLC.
Once Bioware is done focusing on the endings and start to look up to see what fans are saying, it would be beneficial if they hear our voice the clearest. Otherwise Miranda, and the rest of the ME 2 characters, will be stuck with the content they have now.

[Ares91]

[quote]hot_heart wrote...

[quote]Ares91 wrote...

1. Who wrote the Miranda fanfic? The one where she goes to a bar and gets captured it was a few pages back but I cant find it now.

4. How do you guys get those sigs? I keep trying but it just come out as a link. [/quote]

Hi, welcome!

I believe 1. is referring to mine. Should be a link to the file in the sig.

As for getting images in sigs, I believe you have to include the img code for it. I think you need to put (img) (/img) (but with square brackets) on either side of the image URL. I know Photobucket automatically generates that format on their site so it's easy to copy and paste. [/quote]


[/quote]
Ah yes thats the story thanks. Also wow I don't usually like fan fic but your work is great plz keep it up.
And thanks for the sig help.
I do have one more question for anyone that can answer I see you guys talking about twitter who should I be following/twittering at?

Modifié par Ares91, 11 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[CrutchCricket]

cbutz wrote...

I guess what I was trying to say was that whatever the ending will be, will be.Bioware will do what it wants. I guess I am turning my energies and efforts to other causes, in hopes that the ending will turn for the better. What I would not like to see , is the ending be good and then us be unprepared to help bolster ME 2 characters content. Hopefully Bioware can be convinced to do something for the ME 2 characters before even releasing the ending DLC.
Once Bioware is done focusing on the endings and start to look up to see what fans are saying, it would be beneficial if they hear our voice the clearest. Otherwise Miranda, and the rest of the ME 2 characters, will be stuck with the content they have now.

I get what you're saying but I wonder if we have any reason to hope in that department as well. I'm not really comparing endings to characters here but rather looking at Bioware's attitude to all this. Their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the problem. Hiding behind bull**** phrases like "artistic integrity". What you have to ask is why would they behave any differently?
We point out the problem of how a particular character or group of characters were handled, why would they react any differently to that? Why wouldn't they just hide behind the same flimsy shield? You'd think they'd be able to do it even easier since we're not as loud as the retakers. We're far easier to ignore.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 11 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[kookie28]

CrutchCricket wrote...

cbutz wrote...

I guess what I was trying to say was that whatever the ending will be, will be.Bioware will do what it wants. I guess I am turning my energies and efforts to other causes, in hopes that the ending will turn for the better. What I would not like to see , is the ending be good and then us be unprepared to help bolster ME 2 characters content. Hopefully Bioware can be convinced to do something for the ME 2 characters before even releasing the ending DLC.
Once Bioware is done focusing on the endings and start to look up to see what fans are saying, it would be beneficial if they hear our voice the clearest. Otherwise Miranda, and the rest of the ME 2 characters, will be stuck with the content they have now.

I get what you're saying but I wonder if we have any reason to hope in that department as well. I'm not really comparing endings to characters here but rather looking at Bioware's attitude to all this. Their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the problem. Hiding behind bull**** phrases like "artistic integrity". What you have to ask is why would they behave any differently?
We point out the problem of how a particular character or group of characters were handled, why would they react any differently to that? Why wouldn't they just hide behind the same flimsy shield? You'd think they'd be able to do it even easier since we're not as loud as the retakers. We're far easier to ignore.

Because doing LotSB 2.0 for characters A, B, C, etc is feasible compared to rewriting the entire ending. More profitable too.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I get what you're saying but I wonder if we have any reason to hope in that department as well. I'm not really comparing endings to characters here but rather looking at Bioware's attitude to all this. Their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the problem. Hiding behind bull**** phrases like "artistic integrity". What you have to ask is why would they behave any differently?
We point out the problem of how a particular character or group of characters were handled, why would they react any differently to that? Why wouldn't they just hide behind the same flimsy shield? You'd think they'd be able to do it even easier since we're not as loud as the retakers. We're far easier to ignore.

Not sure I really agree with your description of the situation. If what you're suggesting is that they should come out and say, "The endings sucked," then I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. Everyone knows they did, including Bioware, but that's not something you are gong to state officially about your product. There's a certain level of necessary bullsh*t involved with this for PR reasons.

They are not ignoring the situation, though. In fact they're changing their post-launch DLC plans entirely.

Also, they are going to change the endings, not just clarify them. But they will do so while going on and on about keeping the vision intact because they don't want it to seem like they are caving in.

They are never going to be able to completely fix the endings, though, because there are only going to be able to change so much while still saving face, and because good endings don't just emerge from nothing anyway.

DLC content for ME2 characters is a much less complicated issue. It's just adding content, there's not the same problem of perception in the industry.

Modifié par flemm, 11 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm wrote...
Well, I think they are going to do away with the "we destroyed the whole universe" side of things to the extent possible.

Not with "carification" they're not. And I wasn't just talking about the actual world (i.e. relays, planets etc)

I think they'll do what they can without outright contradicting anything. Which is quite a bit since the endings' vagueness works in favor of reinterpretation. I call it "changing the endings without admitting they're doing exactly that".

[yesikareyes]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm wrote...
Well, I think they are going to do away with the "we destroyed the whole universe" side of things to the extent possible.

Not with "carification" they're not. And I wasn't just talking about the actual world (i.e. relays, planets etc)

I think they'll do what they can without outright contradicting anything. Which is quite a bit since the endings' vagueness works in favor of reinterpretation. I call it "changing the endings without admitting they're doing exactly that".

I agree with Ieldra2 on this one. 

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Not sure I really agree with your description of the situation. If what you're suggesting is that they should come out and say, "The endings sucked," then I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. Everyone knows they did, including Bioware, but that's not something you are gong to state officially about your product. There's a certain level of necessary bullsh*t involved with this for PR reasons.

They are not ignoring the situation, though. In fact they're changing their post-launch DLC plans entirely.

Also, they are going to change the endings, not just clarify them. But they will do so while going on and on about keeping the vision intact because they don't want it to seem like they are caving in.

They are never going to be able to completely fix the endings, though, because there are only going to be able to change so much while still saving face, and because good endings don't just emerge from nothing anyway.

DLC content for ME2 characters is a much less complicated issue. It's just adding content, there's not the same problem of perception in the industry.

I don't care about them saying anything anymore. Actions speak louder then words. They could remain silent for the rest of the year and as long as they fixed the problem that'd be just dandy.

And perhaps you missed the specific part of that announcement where they said "we're not changing the ending"? I don't see how you can interpret that as "we're changing the ending". As for their "vision", I'm still not sure they have one. But maybe it's just hard for me to understand how or why someone would willingly nullify their entire 5-year work in 5 or even 15 minutes.

You say things like "saving face" and not "caving in" but I'm not really sure they apply here. The fact of the matter is they're sinking considerable resources in this "clarification" DLC and they won't make it back, seeing as how it's free. So they could fix it. But they're still ignoring the problem. It's the same thing as looking at our requests here and going "Oh more Miranda content then? Fine" and releasing a DLC that just has more romance content. It'd be appreciated. But did they solve the problem of Miranda's characterization in ME3? No they didn't. And this is a bad analogy because these so called clarifications stand a very real chance of making it worse. The ending is unsalvagable. It's utter crap. Explaining why it's roses does nothing but prove either ignorance or stubborn pride and the tenacity of clinging to a sinking ship. Which is I think a far worse impression than admitting you made a mistake or even shifting blame on unreasonable deadlines, "circumstances being what they are", whatever. Something that acknowledges the problem and is proactive about fixing it. As it is you insult both the fans' intelligence and your own by claiming this bull**** is "artistic".

Edit: Ieldra, I just don't believe there's that much wiggle room, given what they've said. And even if there was, I don't believe it's enough.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 11 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Link to the DLC Wish List:


http://social.biowar...9/1772#10778625


I should probably put that in my sig.

A reunion scene for the Miranda&Shepard alive ending, maybe ?
I'm not the only one who wish to see this ?

Modifié par Yannkee, 11 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[kookie28]

So I'm playing ME2 again and everything just feels . . . right. You know?

I can see why they changed Miranda's hair though.

[Asakawa]

Yannkee wrote...

A reunion scene for the Miranda&Shepard alive ending, maybe ?
I'm not the only one who wish to see this ?

oh I know at least some 20 people who'd like that as well =p

[Ieldra]

Asakawa wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

A reunion scene for the Miranda&Shepard alive ending, maybe ?
I'm not the only one who wish to see this ?

oh I know at least some 20 people who'd like that as well =p

I want a reunion scene for "Shepard is (not really) dead" endings as well. 

[Ieldra]

kookie28 wrote...
So I'm playing ME2 again and everything just feels . . . right. You know?

I can see why they changed Miranda's hair though.

Yeah. In ME2, everything feels right with Miranda. In ME3.....