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[Ieldra]

Sshodan wrote...
I always liked Miranda, so I just wanted to add something to that wish list - we will obviously have to take down majority of Cerberus and TIM, what I would like to see in an option for Miranda to pick up the pieces and rebuild Cerberus in all it's glory, but I bit less of crazy.
Let's face it - Shep is only alive because someone skipped the rules and did what have to be done, there are always things that have to be done but are not exactly right while you do them - crogan geno****e, human biotics and so on. If Cerberus does not do them the Alliance will have to mare their hands which will be politically disadvantageous
So in my opinion Cerberus has to take a seriuose blow, but there should be an option to preserve it, and if we do - make sure that Miranda is the one controlling it - she has the brains for that, the mindset and the understanding.

Welcome, welcome. I fully agree and I'm delighted to see another supporter of the "Illusive Woman" scenario. There are quite a few of us here, actually. The only reason why that isn't in the wishlist is because it's not consensus.

The picture we usually paint is that Miranda will take over Cerberus and reshape it into something resembling the salarian STG - also an "the ends justify the means" organization to a certain extent, but aware of ethical implications and not as ruthless and blithely disregarding of life as TIM's Cerberus.

Edit:
You've got quite the name to live up to

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:34 .

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sshodan wrote...
I always liked Miranda, so I just wanted to add something to that wish list - we will obviously have to take down majority of Cerberus and TIM, what I would like to see in an option for Miranda to pick up the pieces and rebuild Cerberus in all it's glory, but I bit less of crazy.
Let's face it - Shep is only alive because someone skipped the rules and did what have to be done, there are always things that have to be done but are not exactly right while you do them - crogan geno****e, human biotics and so on. If Cerberus does not do them the Alliance will have to mare their hands which will be politically disadvantageous
So in my opinion Cerberus has to take a seriuose blow, but there should be an option to preserve it, and if we do - make sure that Miranda is the one controlling it - she has the brains for that, the mindset and the understanding.

Welcome, welcome. I fully agree and I'm delighted to see another supporter of the "Illusive Woman" scenario. There are quite a few of us here, actually. The only reason why that isn't in the wishlist is because it's not consensus.

The picture we usually paint is that Miranda will take over Cerberus and reshape it into something resembling the salarian STG - also an "the ends justify the means" organization to a certain extent, but aware of ethical implications and not as ruthless and blithely disregarding of life as TIM's Cerberus.

Edit:
You've got quite the name to live up to

I support Miranda becoming TIW too. In my opinion it would be the perfect solution for her.

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

You know, every time one of these comics comes out it gets harder to approach Cerberus with a hint of rationalism. Like; "Look, Cerberus is a black ops organisation, no one really knows if they exist or not because they are secret" is getting harder and harder to say when they show up in Omega wearing their company uniform and apparently even thugs on Omega know that they're Cerberus...

I mean, you'd think that with this sort of behavior it would be easy for law enforcement to smash because all their operatives seem to like wearing it. Hell, that uniform has to be manufactured somewhere couldn't they just trail it to the pickup point and nab everyone?

What's next? Cerberus PR team. Marketing? Extranet advertising?

And oh look; Cerberus experiments with Reaper technologies go wrong. Again. Are they (Cerberus teams/Mac Walters) even trying anymore? Isn't this getting too formulaic now?

Yep, I'm ranting now. Sorry.

As to your question though, it depends on whether the info 'gets out' because Cerberus tries to keep things otherwise compartmentalized (although apparently anyone with an Extranet... nvm). I would like to think though that Miranda can differentiate between a decision and an unforeseen consequence of it.

We don't know who the thugs at the beginning were.  They could have overheard something regarding Cerberus from one of the guards guarding their docking bay.  The thugs shown latter on were Aria's guards.  One of them being Anto (from ME2).

Gonna play the Devil's Advocate here for a bit and say that we are juding too fast.
Remember Retribution, Aria T'loak is in possession of the files regarding the Reapers that were found on the Cerberus base where they were experimenting on Grayson. It's entirely possible that the summary is leading us on and The Illusive Man intended all along for those monstrosities to break loose and kill everything on Omega.

Also, the Cerberus logo actually belongs to one of the front companies that TIM uses.

hhh89 wrote...
I support Miranda becoming TIW too. In my opinion it would be the perfect solution for her.

+1.
Tough I'm still unsure wether she should become the CEO of the Ashland company as well.

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I support Miranda becoming TIW too. In my opinion it would be the perfect solution for her.

+1.
Tough I'm still unsure wether she should become the CEO of the Ashland company as well.

+1

I'd like for that scenario to become real as well, but why Eldfell-Ashland? do we even know her father's related to it at all? just because she made a search on it on the extranet?

[ViSeiRa]

Time for some fanart

Wallpaper by Cain69



Brilliant digital painting by NatachaChoquet


 

[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I support Miranda becoming TIW too. In my opinion it would be the perfect solution for her.

+1.
Tough I'm still unsure wether she should become the CEO of the Ashland company as well.

+1
I'd like for that scenario to become real as well, but why Eldfell-Ashland? do we even know her father's related to it at all? just because she made a search on it on the extranet?

You have to ask why the writers put that in the dossier. If it wasn't randomly selected, there must be some connection between Miranda and Eldfell-Ashland. And one of the the most pervasive mysteries about Miranda is who her father actually is. We know he's a very rich businessman.

As a result, the dossier plants the suggestion that her father leads Eldfell-Ashland firmly in our minds.

[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...
Wallpaper by Cain69

FYI: He's known as "Yannkee" here on BSN

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

[Melra]

ViSeirA wrote...

Time for some fanart

Wallpaper by Cain69




 

Oh... nvm. Anyway, it's nice. I haven't seen it before, I think.

Modifié par Melrache, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I support Miranda becoming TIW too. In my opinion it would be the perfect solution for her.

+1.
Tough I'm still unsure wether she should become the CEO of the Ashland company as well.

+1
I'd like for that scenario to become real as well, but why Eldfell-Ashland? do we even know her father's related to it at all? just because she made a search on it on the extranet?

You have to ask why the writers put that in the dossier. If it wasn't randomly selected, there must be some connection between Miranda and Eldfell-Ashland. And one of the the most pervasive mysteries about Miranda is who her father actually is. We know he's a very rich businessman.

As a result, the dossier plants the suggestion that her father leads Eldfell-Ashland firmly in our minds.

Right, but does Miranda really need an extranet search to get any info about her 'supposed' father's company? we know she has spy programs in his systems so it's pretty low probability she'd use the extranet for any purpose regarding her father.

Also we know her father was a major supporter for Cerberus, but Grayson caused the Eezo incident in 2170 by crashing one of Ashland's freighters, now supposedly Cerberus was created around 2157-2158, I guess if Ashland was already a Cerberus ally by 2170 they wouldn't need Grayson to cause such an incident, there's a lot of timeline holes in my theory but it still distances Miranda from any relation to Ashland.

Edit: Or Miranda might have already joined Cerberus by 2170 and therefore her father cut all ties with Cerberus, she'd be 20 by then which fits of her being recruited at a yound age..... but still I think we're trying to glean so much from so little.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

And I doubt there will anything left of Cerberus to take over and reform after ME3.

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

I like that idea.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
Wallpaper by Cain69

FYI: He's known as "Yannkee" here on BSN

Oh.. didn't know that , I love his wallpapers

[JosephDucreux]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

Now someone's thinking with creativity! I was slightly disappointed that after all the times Miranda's extensive network of contacts and her vast resources were not-so-subtly mentioned, we saw absolutely zilch of said contacts and resources (save for Ish, but he doesn't count given that he wasn't there to assist Miranda). So yes, I would vastly prefer her to use her own contacts and resources to start a new covert ops (for real this time) group. The TIW scenario is pretty much a last ditch, last resort case.

Agreed with the last part too. I always saw Miri as being forced (not exactly, but she didn't have much of a choice) into the world of dirty work and espionage, so I won't be surprised if she started some mega-corporation of her own. Especially one that enhances human lives/biotics/etc.

[ViSeiRa]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

And I doubt there will anything left of Cerberus to take over and reform after ME3.

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

I like that idea.

That's a nice scenario too, in my opinion anything other that her sitting around doing nothing might be acceptable, be that she's still in the espionage business or going private sector or whatever, but I'd still prefer for her to dismantle Cerberus and build a new organization/company out of it, going private sector requires a lot of money and various resources, Cerberus might be a likely candidate to jump start that project of hers, her father is an option as well.

[MisterJB]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

She migth not need Cerberus' resources but there's no reason she shouldn't use them assuming that they are still significant by the end of ME3. Taking control of Jack Harper's empire, for example arranging it so that the companies who funded Cerberus now work for her, shows resourcefulness and intelligence

After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

Biotics are a measly percentange of humanity. If that's all she does by the end of ME3, I'll be dissapointed.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:47 .

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Honestly, I don't really like the TIW notion. Mainly because she has lots of resources/contacts of her own, so if she were to be as independent as you guys keep saying, she wouldn't need Cerberus' resources. TBH, using Cerberus' resources makes her look less competent than she would be if she used only her own resources. Besides, we've been told a bajillion times that she has contacts everywhere, and she is highly resourceful as well.

Actually, the opposite is the case. If she can get Cerberus resources in additional to her personal contact network and doesn't, that will make her look less competent. Also contacts are one thing, money and scientific information another. Cerberus resources would be invaluable to her.

After the Reapers, Miri may forgo espionage for the private sector. For example, she may become the head researcher and CEO of a highly successful company that specialises in producing side-effct free biotic implants for humans. She's making a difference, but just that she's doing it behind the scenes, which fits her real well too.

I have no doubt Miranda would be successful in the private sector. But some of her talents would be wasted, and she'd hate internal politics and the need to make a big profit hanging over everyone. She might work for or create a research foundation, but in the end I think intelligence/espionage in the fields of science and technology fits her nicely.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juillet 2011 - 02:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

don't like the "TIW" idea because it's just aping TIM/Cerberus again, however it's moulded. personally i'd prefer to see Miranda embark on something like Lazarus again, using the other skills, not just the espionage ones. she can do stuff nobody else can, why become just a human-centric clone of the shadow broker, in effect? (especially as Shep has access to that resource already and it's more widespread then cerberus ever was - lessening any contribution that could be made, especially in the case of LI status).

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I like the idea of her become TIW. She would actually make Cerberus succeed at the things they try to do rather than well.... fial horribly.

She could turn Cerberus around and make it into a respectable orginization that is no longer viewed as a terrorist orginization. Plus seeing her take up TIM's seat and turn that sun white would be a great visual.

[wright1978]

My preference is for Miranda n Shep be given the responsibility & freedom to set up a new organisation that is free of direct Alliance control but doesn't carry the unwelcome baggage that Cerberus does.

[DeadpoolBub]

If Jack is truly coming back, then I'd expect Miranda would return too. If she doesn't, she'd be the only love interest not to return in ME3. I romanced Tali, but I can imagine ALOT of people being pissed that Miranda could be the only female love interest to not return.

[Melra]

Come on people.. Try to read up a bit, before you wonder if she's back or not. All LIs will be back in some manner. The question is: how big will her role be?

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Melrache wrote...

Come on people.. Try to read up a bit, before you wonder if she's back or not. All LIs will be back in some manner. The question is: how big will her role be?

This. Lets just hope Miranda has a big enough part, which she probably hopefully will since she was a major character in ME2.

Off Topic: Lol to your profile pic. I love that scene

[Melra]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Come on people.. Try to read up a bit, before you wonder if she's back or not. All LIs will be back in some manner. The question is: how big will her role be?

This. Lets just hope Miranda has a big enough part, which she probably hopefully will since she was a major character in ME2.

Off Topic: Lol to your profile pic. I love that scene

Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, it has worked fine so far.

[DeadpoolBub]

I wouldn't be surprised if she's revealed to be in next week.

[jtav]

I'm expecting to hear something around January. And I'm expecting her to be a temp, probably for something about the length of LOTSB.