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kaymarierose wrote...

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Kind of random, but I have to say, I absolutely love the freckles that Miranda has on her stomach. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

She has freckles on her stomach?


Indeed she does. How did you not notice them during the romance scene in ME2?

Though I guess you would actually have to look away from her chest to see them...


I notice she has a beauty mark, but no freckles.


Not exactly an in-game picture, but it makes it easier to see because it has better lighting. They are present in the game as well, and if you consider them beauty marks as opposed to freckles, then I change my post to "I love the beauty marks she has on her stomach."

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I actually forgot all about those freckles.

I love them.

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MisterJB wrote...

Finally, the Reapers are indestructible through convential means. The game makes a point of showing this.
Sovereign was the only Capital Reaper we ever saw defeated and, even then, only because Shepard destroyed its avatar.


What about the various Destroyers that were deafted by conventional means? Or Kalros?

There was also a nameless Capital Ship that had its arms severed during the battle over Earth, if I'm not mistaken It may not have been destroyed, but by no means does it portray the Reapers as being conventionally indestructible. I haven't seen that cutscene in a long time, so I don't remember every detail.

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[quote]o Ventus wrote...

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I actually forgot all about those freckles.

I love them.

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and this is why I love her low-cut jumpsuit. Correction Ashley! It's not a swimsuit <_<

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o Ventus wrote...
What about the various Destroyers that were deafted by conventional means? Or Kalros?

What about them? They're nowhere near as powerful as the Capital Reapers.
It took five volleys from the largest fleet in the galaxy to a Destroyer's weak spot before it went down.

There was also a nameless Capital Ship that had its arms severed during the battle over Earth, if I'm not mistaken It may not have been destroyed, but by no means does it portray the Reapers as being conventionally indestructible. I haven't seen that cutscene in a long time, so I don't remember every detail.

It took two Alliance dreadnougths to do that and that Capital Reaper still destroyed at least one of them.
A Reaper alone is not indestructible. The Fleet is. Hackett, Garrus, the Primarch; they all say the only hope is the Crucible.

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o Ventus wrote...

It also marks the end of all Cerberus-related discussion with Miranda in the entire game.

Isn't that sad?


It's certainly bizarre. I'm really not sure how that happened.

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kaymarierose wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

Kind of random, but I have to say, I absolutely love the freckles that Miranda has on her stomach. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

She has freckles on her stomach?


Indeed she does. How did you not notice them during the romance scene in ME2?

Though I guess you would actually have to look away from her chest to see them...


I notice she has a beauty mark, but no freckles.


Not exactly an in-game picture, but it makes it easier to see because it has better lighting. They are present in the game as well, and if you consider them beauty marks as opposed to freckles, then I change my post to "I love the beauty marks she has on her stomach."

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Dem Freckles. Dat Tummy.:wub::wub:

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MisterJB wrote...
You misunderstand. The point is not how destroying the Reapers will ruin ME. The point is how dismissing them will do so.
Who forged the Mass Relays and connected the galaxy? Who decided where the seat of power of al civilizations would be? Who created the predominant technology?
The Reapers. You may not wish to admit it but they are presented as something outwardly and what they do as inevitable.

The underlined: Missing since ME1. No one's talking about dismissing them. Defeat=/= dismissal. Like I said they could've gone the inevitable route but they didn't. The Reapers lose.

From a narrative viewpoint, you can not dismiss the Reapers as just another invasion fleet, no different than the turians or krogans, destroy them and rebuild galactic community as if nothing happened.

They are different only in scale. This is the thing you refuse to accept. Even if you consider the series defined by its antagonists, it's antagonists are not cosmically empowered. They could've been, but again that route wasn't chosen. They are more advanced than anything else we've come across in ME but they are still physical entities able to be "killed" by physical means. Also interesting sidenote: They've never evolved past their current state. Keeping things cyclical has halted their own advancement. A Reaper built today is basically the same as the oldest of them.

Breaking the cycle is the single, most important moment in the history of the ME universe since the dawn of time and drastic changes must happen to show this.

Certainly the biggest in scale. I can agree with this. I imagine most homeworlds are ruined beyond repair and there aren't enough resources to completely rebuild. I imagine colonies (especially new colonies) will become the most important resources. I also believe some Reapers survive and remain a threat. I also believe an age of strife is highly likely as the main source of species unification being gone, the species will be at each other's throats. Humanity will be blamed for Cerberus and maybe some of Shepard's actions, asari for hiding the beacon, turans will be naturally paranoid, krogan will be feared etc. I think that's quite drastic.

The loss of all Reaper technology is the apropriate ending if you pick the "Destroy" option. Shepard renounces the Reaper Solution, he must also give up of their technology then.
Changing these consequences would be the biggest mistake the writers could make. And nothing you can say will ever convince me otherwise.

Aribtrary assertion based on nothing but your own opinion. Allow me to mirror that last sentiment.:devil:

Finally, the Reapers are indestructible through convential means. The game makes a point of showing this.
Sovereign was the only Capital Reaper we ever saw defeated and, even then, only because Shepard destroyed its avatar.

They are not indestructible. We can't win conventionally in the same way the 300 spartans couldn't win against the Persians. There's just too many of them and they are damn hard to kill. Get a superweapon on your side(like that weapon that sliced the ancient Reaper in ME2) and you can win just fine.

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CrutchCricket wrote...
Obviously. Doesn't mean they're not nice to look at now and then.:wub:

Agreed:wub:!

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I think we need a different Miranda picture....

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:wub::wub::wub::wub:

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DEM MOLES

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MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
What about the various Destroyers that were deafted by conventional means? Or Kalros?

What about them? They're nowhere near as powerful as the Capital Reapers.
It took five volleys from the largest fleet in the galaxy to a Destroyer's weak spot before it went down.

There was also a nameless Capital Ship that had its arms severed during the battle over Earth, if I'm not mistaken It may not have been destroyed, but by no means does it portray the Reapers as being conventionally indestructible. I haven't seen that cutscene in a long time, so I don't remember every detail.

It took two Alliance dreadnougths to do that and that Capital Reaper still destroyed at least one of them.
A Reaper alone is not indestructible. The Fleet is. Hackett, Garrus, the Primarch; they all say the only hope is the Crucible.


I'm not ready to believe what the game itself says when it comes to the Reapers' strength.

The codex says a Cruiser (Or a group of them, can't remember) can destroy a Destroyer with concentrated fire. Then we have Kalros tackle one and instantly kill it. Then one (Apparent) super-Destroyer takes 5 entire volleys from the quarian armada. Then the Hades Cannon (Which is just a re-purposed Destroyer with a big-ass cannon) takes a single blast form the Cain, and is eradicated. So we have a worm, a handheld heavy weapon, an entire fleet, and some Cruisers. No consistency.

As for the Capital Ships (Since we don't see them nearly as often in direct confrontation against other, more conventional ships), we have Sovereign, who was taken down relatively quickly after Saren was destroyed. There was also the derelict Reaper, which was 1-shotted by that nameless species with the enormous MA cannon (The one that made the great rift valley on Klendagon). So we have 3 humanoids (Shepard and co.), and a big-ass cannon. Again, no consistency.

Everyone is SAYING that the only way to win is via Crucible. What we're shown can be interepreted to the contrary.

Hell, we could have just mass produced Cains and won pretty easily. Or do something with the cannons on Tuchanka.

Also, everything CrutchCricket said. You're really giving the Reapers too much credit.

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hot_heart wrote...

DEM MOLES


Dat --

Well, everything, really.

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o Ventus wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

DEM MOLES


Dat --

Well, everything, really.


THIS:wub:!

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Oh -- 1 more thing I should mention. The entire Reaper fleet wasn't at Earth. It would be impractical (Not to mention tactically stupid) to have your entire military at 1 location.

I'm inclined to doubt the Reapers would have left Palaven, Thessia, Tuchanka, Sur'kesh, and all of the other planets alone after conquest.

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:wub:                                                                                                                         :wub:
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Sorry, but....Dat Ass:wub:!

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My favorite part of ME2 is still snuggling on the bed with Miranda.

Oh, and the Suicide Mission. Favorite mission (For the gameplay, if nothing else).

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o Ventus wrote...

My favorite part of ME2 is still snuggling on the bed with Miranda.

Oh, and the Suicide Mission. Favorite mission (For the gameplay, if nothing else).


I hate depriving Miri of being the fire team leader in the Suicide Mission.

I wish there was dialogue for Shep to say: Sorry Miri, you're staying with me. I want you safe :wub:

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I hate depriving Miri of being the fire team leader in the Suicide Mission.

I wish there was dialogue for Shep to say: Sorry Miri, you're staying with me. I want you safe :wub:



I tend to be a little torn on that. Miranda makes sense as fire team leader, but I hate not having her on the squad.

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I think the suicide mission was the only time she left my squad. Gotta let her do her thing!
Actually led me to discover just how handy Jack's Shockwave was.

(Goddamnit, why couldn't the end section of ME3 have been that good? DO NOT DISCUSS)

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yesikareyes wrote...
I wish there was dialogue for Shep to say: Sorry Miri, you're staying with me. I want you safe :wub:

Didn't need dialogue for that. I just did it. First playthrough, before I knew the specific mechanics the people I absolutely didn't want dying were always with me- Miranda and Tali. Of course that would've bit me in the ass if I hadn't done the loyalty mission lol.

Anyway face import fix breathed some new life into ME3 for me and I discovered I can still play through it without the ending ruining every moment. So I did a NG+ and picked slam. Now I'm pretty much a one man army. Black Widow- 3 guaranteed kills, Slam (lv 4 or 5 I think) one hit kill, incinerate one hit kill and I can fire it by the time the guy's slammed on the ground. My Shep can take out 5 guys before they've even finished dropping. Pity Dark Channel doesn't work as well.

But yeah. Obviously better if Miranda was slammin next to me:wub:

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yesikareyes wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

My favorite part of ME2 is still snuggling on the bed with Miranda.

Oh, and the Suicide Mission. Favorite mission (For the gameplay, if nothing else).


I hate depriving Miri of being the fire team leader in the Suicide Mission.

I wish there was dialogue for Shep to say: Sorry Miri, you're staying with me. I want you safe :wub:


Ha

The 2nd fire team is the only point in the whole game Miranda's not on my squad.

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[quote]CrutchCricket wrote...
The underlined: Missing since ME1. [/quote]
Present until the very last scene of ME3.

[quote] Defeat=/= dismissal.
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Destroy the Reapers but keep the Relays and you're dismissing them.
You can't have both. A good story involves sacrifice, choices, change.

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They are different only in scale.
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They are fundamentally different. Basing yourself on the simply fact that the Reapers are physical beings to claim that they are in any way similar to organic species is nonsensical. They are more akin to a force of nature than an army.
And, even if they were. the effect that they have to the galaxy around them is what is really important.
They have controlled the fates of all lives in the galaxy since, at least, two billion years ago. There is nothing even remotelly like it in the ME universe.
One could even say that the Reapers gave the galaxy a purpose. Now, that purpose is gone.

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They've never evolved past their current state. Keeping things cyclical has halted their own advancement. A Reaper built today is basically the same as the oldest of them.
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They consider themselves to be the ultimate state of being.

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Certainly the biggest in scale. I can agree with this. I imagine most homeworlds are ruined beyond repair and there aren't enough resources to completely rebuild. I imagine colonies (especially new colonies) will become the most important resources. I also believe some Reapers survive and remain a threat. I also believe an age of strife is highly likely as the main source of species unification being gone, the species will be at each other's throats. Humanity will be blamed for Cerberus and maybe some of Shepard's actions, asari for hiding the beacon, turans will be naturally paranoid, krogan will be feared etc. I think that's quite drastic.[/quote]
The effects you describe could all originate from any large enough war.
But a war with the Reapers, the forefathers of the galaxy, must have more unique effects.The endings did this well. Destroy, Control, Synthesis.

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They are not indestructible. We can't win conventionally in the same way the 300 spartans couldn't win against the Persians. There's just too many of them and they are damn hard to kill. Get a superweapon on your side(like that weapon that sliced the ancient Reaper in ME2) and you can win just fine.
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They are indestructible to us. That is all that matters.


[quote] o Ventus wrote...
we have Sovereign, who was taken down relatively quickly after Saren was destroyed.[/quote]
And before that he took the entire Alliance and Council fleet head on and almost forced them to retreate.
 
[quote] Hell, we could have just mass produced Cains and won pretty easily.
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Dreadnoughts fire, every two seconds, guns capable of leveling entire cities to the ground.
The Cain...doesn't.

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Glad to see you picked apart (See, disregarded) the other 90% of my post.

My point about the Cain was humor. Why are people so blind to that? Even then, a Cain 1 hit killed a Destroyer, it probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch to outfit ground forces with them en masse and go to town against Harbinger and his minions.

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Sorry JB. We have some good debates from time to time but right now you're just saying "no, it's this way". You can of course believe what you want. But I'm done with it and we've hijacked the thread with this long enough.

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@CrutchCricket and o Ventus

My Shepard's a protective one. My first run I lost Jack's loyalty because of the fight with Miranda, but I loved Jack and brought her along with me not knowing she could die in the end! Oh no!

Hmm, I liked Miranda as second fire team leader. Hearing her voice through the radio... me gusta! :lol:

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