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[kookie28]

As long as I can have my genetically perfect babies . . . I won't hurt anyone.

[Skullheart]

kratos0294 wrote...

Just re finished Sanctuary. My god some elements are fustrating like when we see the vid with kai leng attacking Miranda, shepard doesn't sound alerted at all. He is like "damn well i hope she is ready". Come on, if you see the women you love being attacked by the guy who defeated you, i'd be a little bit more concerned. And we can't get like a small kiss between them at the aftermath, come on it's that hard is it?. And playing the Cronos station is hard. It just feels logical that MIranda should be there. You should be given a choice between EDI and Miranda. Come on MIranda wouldn't pass up the opportunity to see the illusive man. It feels like she is "you're going to attack the illusive man you say, well take pictures for me". She was the second in command, it simply doesn't make sense she isn't coming. I doubt they can fix this via any dlc and it's quite a shame. The only thing i can hope for Miranda and Shep is a reunion scene but then again my hopes dont go high

Thw writers neural decay can justify anything.

[Dr. Doctor]

The entire third act (Thessia, Sanctuary. Cronos, and Earth) seemed like they got towards the end of development and went "Oh crap, we have to get this into testing in a couple weeks!" and just rushed through it.

Thessia's been overrun! Wait, why should I really care about that? All we were there for was to get an artifact, and other than Liara there's no particular reason why losing that world was important. Sanctuary? Oh, Cerberus is completely evil in ME3? You don't say

[Skullheart]

I wish the Act III could be better, focusing in Cerberus, and having the help of Miranda, like Legion during Act II.

btw, anyone from here is playing the mp now? I just promoted all the classes and I'm playing bronze.

Modifié par Skullheart, 14 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[yesikareyes]

Does anyone have a nice and sweet screenshot of Sheploo and Miranda in ME3? I'm going to use it for a gift to my best friend.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

yesikareyes wrote...

Does anyone have a nice and sweet screenshot of Sheploo and Miranda in ME3? I'm going to use it for a gift to my best friend.

[yesikareyes]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Does anyone have a nice and sweet screenshot of Sheploo and Miranda in ME3? I'm going to use it for a gift to my best friend.

Thanks Luis! Did I get your name right? 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

yes

[Lawrence0294]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Does anyone have a nice and sweet screenshot of Sheploo and Miranda in ME3? I'm going to use it for a gift to my best friend.

:wub::wub: Thanx soo much for the pic

[flemm]

kratos0294 wrote...

Just re finished Sanctuary. My god some elements are fustrating like when we see the vid with kai leng attacking Miranda, shepard doesn't sound alerted at all. He is like "damn well i hope she is ready". Come on, if you see the women you love being attacked by the guy who defeated you, i'd be a little bit more concerned. And we can't get like a small kiss between them at the aftermath, come on it's that hard is it?. And playing the Cronos station is hard. It just feels logical that MIranda should be there. You should be given a choice between EDI and Miranda. Come on MIranda wouldn't pass up the opportunity to see the illusive man. It feels like she is "you're going to attack the illusive man you say, well take pictures for me". She was the second in command, it simply doesn't make sense she isn't coming.

Man, don't even get me started on this lol

I agree with everything you said.

Modifié par flemm, 14 avril 2012 - 01:18 .

[MrNose]

Everything past Sanctuary is weird. During my run where I 'manced Ashley it was nearly just as frustrating.
I'd be like: "hi person who is apparently in love with Shep"
and she'd be like: "commander" 
or: "god I hate Cerberus".

And I'd be like "well it was certainly worth spending resources having a Salarian say "don't touch that" 16 different ways instead of having Shep's on-board LI actually talk to him with any sort of affection in the last third of the game.

Modifié par MrNose, 14 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[flemm]

MrNose wrote...

Everything past Sanctuary is weird. During my run where I 'manced Ashley it was nearly just as frustrating.
I'd be like: "hi person who is apparently in love with Shep"
and she'd be like: "commander" 
or: "god I hate Cerberus".

It seems that part of the game was most affected by the crunch. It's... frustrating to be left wondering what Miranda's role might have been like had that not been the case.

[CuseGirl]

Ieldra2 wrote...
About the Reapers: I understand your attitude, but I do not think letting the Reapers off the hook means supporting their way of "ascension by destruction". I'd never support that.

About science, I understand what you're saying, and the actual writing is not quite as unbalanced, but the imagery is. For instance, the bad things Cerberus does with science totally dominate the presentation, and even our Science Hero's (Mordin's) prime accomplishment is returning krogan fertility to its natural state, without giving consideration to the fact that they had a sustainable population under the genophage, which means that on average, every krogan female had 2-3 children. 
In the ending the actual writing yet again isn't unbalanced, but that that damnable Garden Eden scene (which I call being caught in a luddite's dream) appears in all endings which puts the lie to the balance.

As for Miranda, I've always thought "perfection" shouldn't have been used in the first place, because there is no absolute measure of perfection. But apart from that, the implication that her genetic engineering resulted in infertility fits the tendency to portray science as bad perfectly. Or perhaps I should restrict this: science that aims at self-improvement is bad. Which is almost as offensive because it promotes a dogma that self-improvement is bad. I think the reason why some people feel the Synthesis has no place in the story is because it paints self-improvement and taking a step forward in evolution as good, while the game so far has always painted it as bad.

I never quite understood the genophage, the way the game made it seem, it was like 95% of Krogan females couldn't have any children.

The Garden scene at the end, I don't kno what that is. I would have rathered Joker crash in a place where he could repair the Normandy lollll....

People don't like the Synthesis ending for number of reasons: It was marketed as the perfect ending, but includes Shepard's death, and is essentially the cradle baby of Casey Hudson and the Hologram Child. Also, it's not that synthesis promotes self-improvement, it's that it promotes self-improvement as the true goal of the game. We weren't fighting to evolve. We were fighting to simply live. I try not to overthink what Casey and Mac were going for in the end. They clearly needed pruning by other writers and without that, we got that ending.

In my head canon, I see Miranda as...ok, this is gonna sound wierd but I see her as the physics equations I used to solve in high school. You would always get these scenarios where a ball is rolling down a frictionless surface or working in enviroments that didn't include all the real-life variables. Miranda was designed by a person who saw her in a vacuum. He didn't see her in a real setting, reacting, changing, learning in a real setting. In those physics equations, it was always a ball falling in the sky, not a bird with wings, or a person with a parachute. Those objects, they adjust and land safely, instead of hitting the ground hard like the ball.

Miranda has drive (like the gravity that pulls the ball to the ground) but good enough tools to get what she wants, when she wants it MOST of the time.

Miranda overcomes her infertility. There was no indication it was permanent or irreparable. Worse case, she'll get some1 else to have her child, it'll suck, it won't be exactly what she wants but it'll be half her and half whoever she wants to spend her life with. She deserves that.

[Td1984]

Skullheart wrote...

I wish the Act III could be better, focusing in Cerberus, and having the help of Miranda, like Legion during Act II.

btw, anyone from here is playing the mp now? I just promoted all the classes and I'm playing bronze.

I'm not playing it yet. I still have to get my Renegade (or Renegon) FShep Sarah through ME2 (I'm just past Horizon plus Miranda's loyalty mission and the side-missions on Illium). I'm also slightly concerned I won't have enough Renegade points to diffuse the Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion arguments (the meter's currently about half-full iirc).

After that, I'm doing a second playthrough of ME2 with my headcanon MShep Thomas. Then I'll finally be ready to give MP a shot. Though it'll be on the 360.

Modifié par Td1984, 14 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

"Artistic Integrity"

[Dr. Doctor]

MrNose wrote...
And I'd be like "well it was certainly worth spending resources having a Salarian say "don't touch that" 16 different ways instead of having Shep's on-board LI actually talk to him with any sort of affection in the last third of the game.

It's more along the lines of the third act tries to go to too many places at once. I'd consider cutting Sanctuary to focus on Thessia and Earth, give them the same multi-mission set up that Tuchanka and Rannoch had.

Shepard learns of the artifact from the Asari Councilor as usual, but reports of Reapers in nearby systems suggest that Thessia will be invaded soon. If that happens there's no guarantee that the Normandy can get on or off the world again if that comes to pass. The plan is to get in, grab the artifact and get out before the war comes to Thessia, but upon the Normandy's arrival Cerberus is already in-system with most of their fleet gearing up for a field test of their Reaper control technology.

Shepard and his squad can't touch down on Thessia without revealing themselves to the Cerberus flotilla so it's time to go on the offensive, the squad boards the lead ship in an attempt to halt TIM's plans. While fighting through the corridors of the vessel the squad comes across captured members of Miranda's commando team (introducing the idea form the SB email) who reveal that Cerberus knows about the artifact and Miranda's already making her way to the temple to secure it, but so is Kai Leng. The squad manages to take down the ship, but not before the control signal starts to be transmitted.

Shepard has to make it to the temple before Kai Leng - and the Reapers arrive.

[MisterJB]

I'd prefer they just focus on Cerberus. We already have all the missions set up (Sanctuary, Grissom, etc), we just need to connect them by more than the enemies Shepard fights.

[flemm]

What's odd is that Sanctuary as a concept makes a lot of sense and should really work as an important moment of the game, especially with Miranda's involvement.

I mean, if someone had told me six months ago, prior to the leaked script and so on, that Miranda's father was going to be running the most important Cerberus installation (other than TIM's base), that he would be charged with exploiting tech salvaged from the Collector Base to make an army of indoctrinated slaves for TIM's new, more militant Cerberus, that Miranda would fight Kai Leng there, and that she would outwit him so that he unknowingly revealed TIM's location, I would probably have said: "Ok, that's perfect, this is going to be awesome."

I'm not sure how they could have missed the mark so badly with this. Not just regarding Miranda's role (though that's important), but also the fact that Sanctuary ends up feeling superfluous and there is no real arc to the story in act III.


Edit: That's a really nice screen, JB, so nice in fact that I'd love to see it posted without the text.

Modifié par flemm, 14 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[Ares91]

I think I missed the conversation in me2 unless it was in a book or something but when does she say she's infertile?

[flemm]

Ares91 wrote...

I think I missed the conversation in me2 unless it was in a book or something but when does she say she's infertile?

Well, it's not something she ever says. In ME2, as the character was originally imagined, she wasn't infertile. The idea was introduced in LotSB via the files you can read at the SB's base. One can only speculate about the reasons for this.

It's never referenced directly in ME3 either, though it is (perhaps) referenced indirectly in the longer death scene.

Modifié par flemm, 14 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[Dr. Doctor]

The thing that really confused me was the whole "Lazarus Video Log" that we got on Cronos Station.

Is Shepard a high-tech VI that thinks it's Shepard? What exactly happened with the Lazarus Project?  I mean it's not like we personally know the project's lead....oh wait.

They wait until the very last minute to have Shepard have a crisis of identity? Especially when we had all of ME2 and conversations in ME3 to bring it up? I get leaving the player with a few questions whose answers remain ambiguous but come on.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Edit: That's a really nice screen, JB, so nice in fact that I'd love to see it posted without the text.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
The thing that really confused me was the whole "Lazarus Video Log" that we got on Cronos Station.

Is Shepard a high-tech VI that thinks it's Shepard? What exactly happened with the Lazarus Project?  I mean it's not like we personally know the project's lead....oh wait.

They wait until the very last minute to have Shepard have a crisis of identity? Especially when we had all of ME2 and conversations in ME3 to bring it up? I get leaving the player with a few questions whose answers remain ambiguous but come on.

There was a "crisis of identity" scene in the prologue IIRC. They cut it. Not the only incomprehensible cut in the game, if I may say so.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 avril 2012 - 08:31 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I like that pic of Miranda

[kookie28]

@Ares91: Just headcannon it away. It doesn't make much sense either way.