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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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Td1984 wrote...

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Or...what if there was the option to take Miri up to the Citadel with you? What do you think would happen?

You'd probably end up together... in the afterlife.

Which might not be such a bad thing. If Shep has to die, why not alongside their LI?


So you think they could both die even with the Destroy option?

And if only there was a way to survive...then it'd be a happy ending for both of them.

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With Destroy, the Citadel explodes. So, unless you have a high enough EMS, Shep dies. Not sure how that would impact Miranda though. Maybe if you meet the requirements to survive it, so does she?

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Td1984 wrote...

With Destroy, the Citadel explodes. So, unless you have a high enough EMS, Shep dies. Not sure how that would impact Miranda though. Maybe if you meet the requirements to survive it, so does she?


That's what I'd assume. Imagine the nice scene of them waking up together with their mission finally accomplished?

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One thing that really struck me the other day, when I played a mission or two of ME2 was how crit path Miranda (Walters) and non-crit path Miranda (Weekes) really combine so well in that game. It's a big part of what makes the character work.

They don't contradict one another, but they are different. Crit path Miranda is very efficient and sometimes abrasive. Meanwhile, when you go and talk to her on a personal basis, there are all these layers. The personal stuff and the romance, of course, but also the dialogue about Humanity's STG, and the limits of Cerberus experiments, etc.

It contributes to the very strong impression that Shepard is getting to know a person that nobody else really sees most of the time. That feels good.

What happens in ME3 is crit path Miranda is mostly gone, and we get a very simplistic reading of non-crit path Miranda (basically Oriana, with none of the other stuff that Miranda talks about in her main dialogues).

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flemm wrote...

One thing that really struck me the other day, when I played a mission or two of ME2 was how crit path Miranda (Walters) and non-crit path Miranda (Weekes) really combine so well in that game. It's a big part of what makes the character work.

They don't contradict one another, but they are different. Crit path Miranda is very efficient and sometimes abrasive. Meanwhile, when you go and talk to her on a personal basis, there are all these layers. The personal stuff and the romance, of course, but also the dialogue about Humanity's STG, and the limits of Cerberus experiments, etc.

It contributes to the very strong impression that Shepard is getting to know a person that nobody else really sees most of the time. That feels good.

What happens in ME3 is crit path Miranda is mostly gone, and we get a very simplistic reading of non-crit path Miranda (basically Oriana, with none of the other stuff that Miranda talks about in her main dialogues).


I agree. In ME3, it almost seems as if the old Miranda is slowly turning to ash because of all the stress on top of her.

You can hear it in her voice, she sounds tired, stressed, and upset most of the time. She doesn't have that fire in her tone of voice anymore like she did in Mass Effect 2...I'm not the only guy who picked up on that right?

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dtrain24 wrote...
You can hear it in her voice, she sounds tired, stressed, and upset most of the time. She doesn't have that fire in her tone of voice anymore like she did in Mass Effect 2...I'm not the only guy who picked up on that right?


I certainly know what you mean. I think it really doesn't help that they never give Miranda a purpose other than looking for Orianna.

Reading that email after Sanctuary... I mean, there's more fire in that than anywhere else. It just feels right. 

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She does seem very stressed and rushed right off the bat. Like hi Shepard are we still together? Yes. Ok then I have things to do by.
Which I can some what understand since her story is about saving her sister. But still a bit more emotion in the later scenes by both her and Shepard would be nice.

Also with the letters. If I write up a letter explaining why I like Miranda and why I think we should have some Miranda dlc that would be acceptable for the book right? Or does it have to be more fan fic like?

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Ares91 wrote...

Also with the letters. If I write up a letter explaining why I like Miranda and why I think we should have some Miranda dlc that would be acceptable for the book right? Or does it have to be more fan fic like?



Exactly that Image IPB

We're also going to include fan fic, but that is another type of contribution from the letters.

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Should we also include some short banter?

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Skullheart wrote...

Should we also include some short banter?


You mean like dialogues, in the book? Yes, absolutely Image IPB

We are going to do some digging in the thread and find some of the classics that we have come up with in the past few months.

But... whenever inspiration strikes, go for it Image IPB

Edit: Dr. Doctor already sent me his Grunt/Miranda dialogue, as that is a must.

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Yep, that' what I mean.

Off-topic: Playing as geth infiltrator on MP. I love it xD

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Ares91 wrote...

She does seem very stressed and rushed right off the bat. Like hi Shepard are we still together? Yes. Ok then I have things to do by.
Which I can some what understand since her story is about saving her sister. But still a bit more emotion in the later scenes by both her and Shepard would be nice.


I agree completely. I made a pretty similar/interesting post that turned into a nice little discussion a few pages back incase you're interested on reading it, Ares.
The romance needed a lot more emotion and love added to it, along with content.

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Why hasn't there been a Mass Effect Novel/Comic for Miri? Like, say, possibly her Origins, or the Six Months between ME2 and ME3???? Come on, Bioware!

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So I just stumbled upon these two amazing pics and I thought well this I have to share.Image IPB

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The first one I just thought was a great humorous pic.

This one however. This should be like our logo/mission statement/banner or whatever you wanna call it lol

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why hasn't there been a Mass Effect Novel/Comic for Miri? Like, say, possibly her Origins, or the Six Months between ME2 and ME3???? Come on, Bioware!


That's an easy question. Nobody from bioware's team likes her.

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Ares91 wrote...

This one however. This should be like our logo/mission statement/banner or whatever you wanna call it lol

*Snip*
 



It's definitely a classic. One of Yannkee's, I think.

The funny part: she wasn't a squadmate, and the whole galaxy *did* go to hell Image IPB

Serves them right Image IPB

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flemm wrote...
You mean like dialogues, in the book? Yes, absolutely Image IPB

We are going to do some digging in the thread and find some of the classics that we have come up with in the past few months.

But... whenever inspiration strikes, go for it Image IPB

Edit: Dr. Doctor already sent me his Grunt/Miranda dialogue, as that is a must.


I've got some stuff on my BSN blog, and whatever you're looking for that can't be found I have written down.

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Dr. Doctor wrote...


I've got some stuff on my BSN blog, and whatever you're looking for that can't be found I have written down.


Awesome, thanks Dr. Doctor Image IPB

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Yep, that' what I mean.

Off-topic: Playing as geth infiltrator on MP. I love it xD


I specced mine as a melee build.  I haven't quite figured it out yet, but it's pretty fun nonetheless.  I enjoy simel-killing so many enemies at once.  

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Yep, melee GI is awesome. I like to see a lot of enemies being liquified around me xD. one more lvl to 20, then to promote it.

Now, regarding Miranda. You think she can be a good candidate as Human Councilor (in something like 30-50 years after ME3)?

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Skullheart wrote...

Yep, melee GI is awesome. I like to see a lot of enemies being liquified around me xD. one more lvl to 20, then to promote it.

Now, regarding Miranda. You think she can be a good candidate as Human Councilor (in something like 30-50 years after ME3)?

I don't think she'd want the job and I doubt many people in the galaxy would be comfortable with it anyway.

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Ares91 wrote...


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O.O....<3<3

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Skullheart wrote...

Now, regarding Miranda. You think she can be a good candidate as Human Councilor (in something like 30-50 years after ME3)?


Miranda sort of strikes me as the type of person who disdains politics and bureaucracy. She might be comfortable in boardrooms and battlefields alike but I sort of picture her working in a lab. I could picture her resurrecting her father's company as a way to give humanity the benefits of the Lazarus Project along with other technologies developed by Cerberus. Sort of a ME equivalent to Stark Resilient from the current Iron Man comics.

On another note, I've sort of headcannoned that Henry Lawson is the founder of the Sirta Foundation. Considering that Henry's "obsessed with making his mark on history" leading a company that's cured genetic diseases and holds a monopoly on one of the most important medical advances in history (medi-gel) it would make sense that he'd go from wanting to heal humanity to wanting to improve upon it through the development of Miranda's tailoring.

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flemm wrote...

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And that's probably why we'll never find out who wrote her. Stupid reactionary fantasy.


That's a good way of putting it, yeah. It's a little covered up when you jump through the hoops, but nowhere near enough for it to escape notice.

On the bright side, it's far too amateurish and small-minded to have any real hold on the character.

True on both ends. The reactionary mindset started with the LotSB dossier, in fact. And I wouldn't be able to play ME3 if I couldn't see ME2 Miranda in spite of the character mutilation. It takes a little effort, but I can do it.

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jtav wrote...
I'm wondering, in all seriousness, if they could have diffused some of the anger via an epilogue slide in which Miranda is awesome and becomes an important figure. It wouldn't patch her role proper but the last we see of a character tends to stick in our minds more.

That would do a lot to mitigate the bad feelings. Nothing can fix her character in ME3, but as you say, how the story ends matters. Just as a bad ending can ruin a good story, a good ending can partly make up for a bad story.