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[Ieldra]

You are very pessimistic, jtav. I hope we'll see more of her than that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:03 .

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You are very pessimistic, jtav. I hope we'll see more of her than that.

Hoping is one thing, expectating somehing is another. I hope that Miranda will have a big role in ME3 and that she has a fair amount of space in the game, but I expect that she has only little more than what Liara had LOTSB. Though I agree that it's a pessimistic view. But at least I'll not be a lot disappointed if my expectation turns right.

Modifié par hhh89, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:13 .

[Vertigo_1]

With Cerberus playing such a big part in ME3 (40% of enemies in ME3, working for the Reapers, experimenting on people with Reaper tech, ME:Invasion being a prelude to ME3) plus Miranda being a second in command to TIM (along the lines of Kai Leng who is after Shepard): I think we will be seeing her for more than just an LotSB type mission.

Those who I don't see as much part of the game (story) but willl be there regardless are Thane, Samara (Morinth...), Jacob, Grunt and DLC characters (Kasumi and Zaeed).

Hudson had mentioned in the Earth demo that we would have to figure out why Cerberus would be working with the Reapers (aside from the indoctrination banter you hear between Shepard and Liara on Sur-Kesh). I see Miranda being a part of that (or hoping)

Patrick Weekes had also tweeted, a few days ago, on trying a bad import into ME3 with just Morinth and Kasumi alive, this could hint at what roles those two have (I'm thinking minimum).

There is also the tweet by Hudson and Christina Norman (yes, I know she left) about how squadmates wouldn't work the same way as ME1 and ME2, plus that no one is permanent in ME3 (although I'm not sure about the last one).

Miranda as cameo? I don't see that.
Miranda as temp but part of the story at large? I can see this happening and hope they do that.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:03 .

[KamikazeShepard]

 I don't want to see her become TIW or the head of Cerberus. That would honestly feel like a rehash of what they did with Liara. I want to see Bioware do something more original with Miranda.

Also I do expect her to be a permanent squad mate because Garrus and Tali are in, and they're pretty much in because they have a huge fanbase. Miranda has a pretty big fanbase too, so that defintely ups her chances. Plus she has a lot of story potential. So  Miranda being a permanent squadmate is a fairly reasonable expectation. 

[Spanky Magoo]

Im still hoping for a more permanent role if shes your li but idk

[MisterJB]

Damn you "Lair of the Shadow Broker"! Damn you to Hell!
It makes much more sense for Miranda to become The Illusive Woman than it ever did for Liara to become the Shadow Broker but noooooo...

[Pulletlamer]

I don't want to seem like a hater of Miranda, but just saying that I find difficult for Miranda playing a big role in ME3, since he is a Cerberus loyalist and really believes in The Illusive Man.

It's not the same for Jacob. I'm sure Jacob would abandon Cerberus and follow Shepard to hell, since the first time you speak with him you know he doubts of Cerberus actions.

About Miranda?...not sure. I think she has her doubts of Cerberus by the end of ME2, but she's still loyal to TIM, so if TIM is against you in ME3. I see difficulties.

Just saying.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:34 .

[jtav]

I don't see why they couldn't both have such positions, especially sense I'm expecting TIW to be an epilogue development.

As long as it's not marriage and babies...

[jtav]

Pulletlamer wrote...

I don't want to seem like a hater of Miranda, but just saying that I find difficult for Miranda playing a big role in ME3, since he is a Cerberus loyalist and really believes in The Illusive Man.

It's not the same for Jacob. I'm sure Jacob would abandon Cerberus and follow Shepard to hell, since the first time you speak with him you know he doubts of Cerberus actions.

About Miranda?...not sure. I think she has her doubts of Cerberus by the end of ME2, but she's still loyal to TIM, so if TIM is against you in ME3. I see difficulties.

Just saying.

Considering she resigns rather than kill you, I think she's lost her loyalty.

[Master Chief Petty Officer Alcatraz]

I hope we get some info about Miranda soon. I heard that Yvonne will be at Comic-Con, so we might hear something about Miri.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Master Chief Petty Officer Alcatraz wrote...

I hope we get some info about Miranda soon. I heard that Yvonne will be at Comic-Con, so we might hear something about Miri.

Hopefully *Fingers Crossed*

[MisterJB]

Pulletlamer wrote...

I don't want to seem like a hater of Miranda, but just saying that I find difficult for Miranda playing a big role in ME3, since he is a Cerberus loyalist and really believes in The Illusive Man.

It's not the same for Jacob. I'm sure Jacob would abandon Cerberus and follow Shepard to hell, since the first time you speak with him you know he doubts of Cerberus actions.

About Miranda?...not sure. I think she has her doubts of Cerberus by the end of ME2, but she's still loyal to TIM, so if TIM is against you in ME3. I see difficulties.

Just saying.

I don't want to seem rude but please, do some research before coming up with theories. Miranda started expressing doubts about The Illusive Man as soon as the Collector Cruiser. if you decide to destroy the Collector Base, she resigns from Cerberus.
Also, ironic that you mention followying Shepard to Hell itself since that is one of Miranda's dialogues.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:43 .

[MegaBadExample]

Master Chief Petty Officer Alcatraz wrote...

I hope we get some info about Miranda soon. I heard that Yvonne will be at Comic-Con, so we might hear something about Miri.

Where did you hear that at? If correct, that'd be great!

[Pulletlamer]

MisterJB wrote...

I don't want to seem rude but please, do some research before coming up with theories. Miranda started expressing doubts about The Illusive Man as soon as the Collector Cruiser. if you decide to destroy the Collector Base, she resigns from Cerberus.
Also, ironic that you mention followying Shepard to Hell itself since that is one of Miranda's dialogues.

1. I know what Miranda says on the collector ship and at the very end of the game.

2. I don't hate Miranda, so don't get mad.

3. You seem rude even when you said you didn't wanted to.

4. I know a lot about Miranda. I've done all the possible "research".

5. I don't care if she says that line or not since that doesn't mean she will do so.

6. She's been informing TIM during all the mission. She will probably do the same after it has ended.

I say something you don't like about Miranda and you're already hating on me. besides what I said is true. Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist to the bones. Deal with it.

[Vertigo_1]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Master Chief Petty Officer Alcatraz wrote...

I hope we get some info about Miranda soon. I heard that Yvonne will be at Comic-Con, so we might hear something about Miri.

Where did you hear that at? If correct, that'd be great!

www.ugo.com/tv/comic-con-2011-chuck-panel-and-coverage

Yvonne is listed along with the date for the panel (Saturday, July 23 from 10:00 - 10:45AM in Ballroom 20)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[MegaBadExample]

Yeah...but that isn't for ME.

[Vertigo_1]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yeah...but that isn't for ME.

...yeah...I know.  I was responding to the will she be there or not.

As for if she says anything about her work for ME3 that's up to her (if she is allowed to)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juillet 2011 - 07:04 .

[MisterJB]

Pulletlamer wrote...

1. I know what Miranda says on the collector ship and at the very end of the game.

What you said on your previous post lead me to believe otherwise.

2. I don't hate Miranda, so don't get mad.

I'm not.

5. I don't care if she says that line or not since that doesn't mean she will do so.

She's already done so. Galactic Core, completely unmapped zone, who knows how many enemies waiting for them., etc.

6. She's been informing TIM during all the mission. She will probably do the same after it has ended.

Why? She resigned and even if she doesn't, since she clearly doesn't agree with using the Collector base, logic concludes she won't like the idea of working with the Reapers, whatever Cerberus' goals migth be.

I say something you don't like about Miranda and you're already hating on me.

I am not hating. I am arguing your view point.

Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist to the bones. Deal with it.

Miranda believes in what she perceived as Cerberus's goal, the advancement and preservation of humanity but she still has a conscience. That's what makes her a Paul Grayson instead of a Kai Leng.
As soon as Cerberus started going against these objectives and using methods that she didn't agree with, she shows doubts about the organization and migth even resign if backed up by Shepard.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 juillet 2011 - 07:25 .

[LuxDragon]

Now this is a civilized debate. Except a little mistake on Pulletlamer on assuming that JB was angry. It's hard to tell with text/posts, so don't assume too much. If he's angry, I'm sure we'll know it. And that last bolded part. Don't try to shove your opinion down our throats (Unless you're not, in which case, ignore this part).

Continue!

Oh, yeah. The real reason why I'm posting. *Ahem*

I'm at 999 reviews! Someone help me!

... please?

[Vertigo_1]

I reviewed.
Grats on 1000!

[Widmo34]

Miranda WAS a Cerberus loyalist to the bones but only on the begining... At the end she had told tim to **** of and she resigned

[Ieldra]

Widmo34 wrote...
Miranda WAS a Cerberus loyalist to the bones but only on the begining... At the end she had told tim to **** of and she resigned

No she hasn't. Not in my games and not in many others. MIranda's resignation at the end of the SM only happens if you take her with you to the final boss and destroy the Collector base. I don't know why this thrice damned part is always perceived as canonical. Are people that desperate to get her away from Cerberus so that they can properly hate the organization after Miranda is gone?

(Grr....I'm starting to get more pro-Cerberus the more hate is piled up on them)

I think she'll be with Shepard in the end if you play it right and I don't think she'll go against Shepard for Cerberus in ME3, but apart from that her affiliation is not fixed. She still believes in the advancement and protection of humanity as in Cerberus' original agenda. Once she doesn't believe any more that they represent that agenda better than anyone else she might turn against them, but who's there as an alternative? If you don't force her to resign at the end of ME2 by placing her in an irreconcilable loyalty conflict - that's what happens if you destroy the base - I can see her staying with Cerberus for a while. She might even try to use their resources to get Shepard out. Not that I think anything like that will be featured in ME3...too bad, really. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juillet 2011 - 08:06 .

[E71]

jtav wrote...

It's always the squadmate whose icon is on the right.

I don't suppose anyone knows if it's possible to influence which squad member is on which side...?

Out of the 30 times or so I've finished that last part with the same two team members, I've only ever saved Miranda once...

Frustrates me a little.

[Ieldra]

E71 wrote...

jtav wrote...
It's always the squadmate whose icon is on the right.

I don't suppose anyone knows if it's possible to influence which squad member is on which side...?

Out of the 30 times or so I've finished that last part with the same two team members, I've only ever saved Miranda once...

Frustrates me a little.

It's random. Just reload the last autosave until you get things right. You'll have to repeat the fight, though.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Widmo34 wrote...
Miranda WAS a Cerberus loyalist to the bones but only on the begining... At the end she had told tim to **** of and she resigned

No she hasn't. Not in my games and not in many others. MIranda's resignation at the end of the SM only happens if you take her with you to the final boss and destroy the Collector base. I don't know why this thrice damned part is always perceived as canonical. Are people that desperate to get her away from Cerberus so that they can properly hate the organization after Miranda is gone?

(Grr....I'm starting to get more pro-Cerberus the more hate is piled up on them)

I think she'll be with Shepard in the end if you play it right and I don't think she'll go against Shepard for Cerberus in ME3, but apart from that her affiliation is not fixed. She still believes in the advancement and protection of humanity as in Cerberus' original agenda. Once she doesn't believe any more that they represent that agenda better than anyone else she might turn against them, but who's there as an alternative? If you don't force her to resign at the end of ME2 by placing her in an irreconcilable loyalty conflict - that's what happens if you destroy the base - I can see her staying with Cerberus for a while. She might even try to use their resources to get Shepard out. Not that I think anything like that will be featured in ME3...too bad, really. 

This. I'm almost sure that Miranda will act in the same way, whatever you choose in ME2 (keep the base, destroy the base without Miranda, destroy the base with Miranda). Which is bad. I have different playthough with different option about that choice (my main playthrough is with the resignation) and I'd like if things are different.