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[Visii]

Heya Miranda fans!

We're doing a second project, The Tribute! We're gathering letters, fanart and screenshots and sending it to Bioware. For letters, write about what your Shepard sees in Miranda, what drew them together? How do you see their relationship play out through the games? Have fun roleplaying! All the screenshots and fanart of Shepard and Miranda you can muster will be accepted!

Deadline is the 25th, so if you weren't able to participate in The PAX LI Appreciation Project (or if you did and want to show that you won't be silenced) please show your support for Miranda and your Shepard, here: http://social.biowar...ndex/11315889/1

Modifié par Visii, 15 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[Mandalorian9]

MisterJB wrote...

Femme Fatales.
Miranda used to subvert the trope.

Exactly, thank you I forgot the term. It could have gone in any direction though. Like I said before she may have been genuine, but TIM may have implanted her, voluntarily or not and "activated" her like a sleeper cell in order to decieve Shepard into giving her information. Imagination could come up with plenty of reasons and twists, I'm just pointing one that would have caught alot of us off guard, and crushed those who love her. After all, femsheps had to suffer Thane's death, didn't they?

[jtav]

Miranda doesn't really subvert femme fatale. Her writing doesn't really touch the archetype. She tries to sell you on Cerberus, but she doesn't offer herself as part of the deal. In fact, you can exhaust her dialogue without her ever coming on to you.

[Mandalorian9]

Visii wrote...

Heya Miranda fans!

We're doing a second project, The Tribute! We're gathering letters, fanart and screenshots and sending it to Bioware. For letters, write about what your Shepard sees in Miranda, what drew them together? How do you see their relationship play out through the games? Have fun roleplaying! All the screenshots and fanart of Shepard and Miranda you can muster will be accepted!

Deadline is the 25th, so if you weren't able to participate in The PAX LI Appreciation Project (or if you did and want to show that you won't be silenced) please show your support for Miranda and your Shepard, here: http://social.biowar...ndex/11315889/1

I'll look into it, thanks for posting,

[o Ventus]

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

[Skullheart]

o Ventus wrote...

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

Well, both things are part of the worst act.

[Ares91]

o Ventus wrote...

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

I got that scene my first play though cus I imported my Ashley playthrough first (big mistake never doing that again) and yeah after I saw that scene I stopped playing for a bit. That was depressing.

[o Ventus]

Ares91 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

I got that scene my first play though cus I imported my Ashley playthrough first (big mistake never doing that again) and yeah after I saw that scene I stopped playing for a bit. That was depressing.

Thank god I saved before the confrontation with Henry. I went in wanting to see Miranda's death scene (From Kai Leng), but when Henry hit her in the gut with the Carnifex and tore a gaping hole in her stomach, I felt physically repulsed.

[Lawrence0294]

Ares91 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

I got that scene my first play though cus I imported my Ashley playthrough first (big mistake never doing that again) and yeah after I saw that scene I stopped playing for a bit. That was depressing.

In my universe, i can't make miranda die, it will never happen 

[jtav]

It didn't bother me. I reloaded, but it's the long death scene that upsets me. This is fairly tame.

[o Ventus]

kratos0294 wrote...

Ares91 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Has anyone else seen Miranda's death (From Henry's gunshot)?

I watched it last night.... Never again.

I honestly can't decide which was worse to stomach through, that scene, or the ending.

I got that scene my first play though cus I imported my Ashley playthrough first (big mistake never doing that again) and yeah after I saw that scene I stopped playing for a bit. That was depressing.

In my universe, i can't make miranda die, it will never happen 

Never. I feel somewhat ashamed for watching that death scene.

[Skullheart]

Ehh... what upsets you from the long death scene?

That is one (if no the best) scene from Miranda.

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

Ehh... what upsets you from the long death scene?

That is one (if no the best) scene from Miranda.

That one is also legitimately sad. The other death scene is just completely stupid.

The kicker is that Shepard only reacts to her dying in the gunshot death scene. If she dies due to Leng, he's relatively gagged until she collapses. When Henry shoots her, he reacts almost immediately (In my game, anyway).

[jtav]

"Things I could never have." Grr.

But yeah, it's technically great. I cried the first time I saw it and rewound to watch a few more times. Though I was amused at her stroking FShep's face.

[hot_heart]

I have those dialogue files from the game. The start of one folder is just different clips of Miranda wincing.

It is not pleasant. Especially if you forget to turn your speakers down...

Modifié par hot_heart, 15 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Sadly "Once I saw what this place really was..." suggests Miranda was not aware of the full extent of the attrocities Cerberus was commiting on Sanctuary until she went there in person thus, her main motivation was Oriana.

It's one of the internal inconsistencies (there are quite a few). I think, in the original concept, Miranda goes there for Orianna partly because, if she had an idea of how important Sanctuary was before going there, it becomes much more difficult to justify her not contacting Shepard first.

If she knew, she might go there on her own right away, but she would at least let Shepard know. However, at that point you run into the problem of Miranda's motivation being entirely Orianna-related (which is obviously not good).

So, at some point they tried to drift away from that a bit, but then it stops making sense at all.

Modifié par flemm, 15 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Miranda doesn't really subvert femme fatale. Her writing doesn't really touch the archetype. She tries to sell you on Cerberus, but she doesn't offer herself as part of the deal. In fact, you can exhaust her dialogue without her ever coming on to you.

Well, that's one of the areas where she subverts the trope, no? Precisely because she doesn't behave as a femme fatale would normally.

I think there are others areas where this is true as well. I would say that there are some traces of the basic archetype, though, in ME2 (especially if you accept that Cerberus is a purely evil organisation). But they don't dominate (which is a good thing).

Modifié par flemm, 15 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[hot_heart]

Hmm, would it contradict anything if Miranda had snuck aboard a supply ship or a refugee ship without knowing exactly where it would lead?

Just spitballing writing research ideas.

[o Ventus]

hot_heart wrote...

Hmm, would it contradict anything if Miranda had snuck aboard a supply ship or a refugee ship without knowing exactly where it would lead?

Just spitballing writing research ideas.

Why would she? Just for the lulz?

[hot_heart]

I'm thinking in terms of how she wound up at Sanctuary, going after her father whom she suspected was working with Cerberus, without telling Shepard a damn thing beforehand.

Kinda 'making excuses' to make my story fit with the nonsense that actually happened...

Modifié par hot_heart, 15 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Hmm, would it contradict anything if Miranda had snuck aboard a supply ship or a refugee ship without knowing exactly where it would lead?

It's hard to tell what Miranda is using to get around. She's on the Citadel, then off somewhere being hunted by Cerberus assassins (while she's doing... something?), then back on the Citadel, then on Sanctuary, then she leaves with Orianna.

So, I guess she has to have some means of transport of her own.

hot_heart wrote...

Kinda 'making excuses' to make my story fit with the nonsense that actually happened...

****** luck

*sigh*

Modifié par flemm, 15 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[o Ventus]

If that's your goal, then I think it would work, though the "without knowing where it was heading" bit should be taken out.

If she's heading to Sanctuary, it would be unwise for her to not plan the course.

[Abraham_uk]

I do like Miranda Lawsons character.

Well written character with a great backstory.
Interesting conflicting emotions and some interesting choices.
I loved her relationship with her father and Cerberus.
How far she went to protect her daughter.
Tough strong independant woman. Hell yeah (that's why I like playing as female Shepard)
In Mass Effect 2, she had the two most useful abilities in the game (warp and overload) plus SLAM as a bonus.

Sentinels always make great squadmates whether it's Miranda, Kaidan, the human Sentinel (online), Turian Sentinel, Krogan Sentinel or Baterian Sentinel (okay maybe not so much Baterian).


The dislikes:

Still bemused by the control chip.
Don't get me wrong. I find catsuits, high heels and untied hair very attractive.
As a casual outfit, it's fantastic.
But in battle I want my squadmates to be in proper combat gear with their hair tied (if it's long)
The way she was handled in ME 3. She never made it as squadmate and whilst the romance in ME 2 was interesting enough to be a worthwhile bit of fun, there wasn't a lot of romancing in ME 3.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 15 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[hot_heart]

Yeah, that's the trickiest thing with what I'm writing. Just kinda being a bit vague with how she gets around sometimes.

In terms of how she'd get out of Sanctuary, I could always cover that with her having spotted some ships there already. Possibly the F-class fighter. I guess that can have two seats and an FTL drive? This is hard work! Hehe.

o Ventus wrote...
If that's your goal, then I think it would work, though the "without knowing where it was heading" bit should be taken out.
If she's heading to Sanctuary, it would be unwise for her to not plan the course.

It does sound a bit reckless for the character. The alternative was making it so that was her only shot, leaving no time to contact anyone. She wouldn't know it was heading to Sanctuary, as such, just that it's connected to her father somehow.

The reason I was asking all this, though, is in case I'm missing any aspects that would contradict this. So any input is helpful. Cheers, guys.

Modifié par hot_heart, 15 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[Abraham_uk]

[quote]jtav wrote...



Can I just say wow!!!!

I'm not the worlds biggest Miranda fan, but I do like the character a lot.

This picture is fantastic. Who made this fan art?