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[flemm]

Good to know

[Caihn]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

So, when will we know who wrote Miranda in ME3?

If Bioware is intelligent, probably never.

That's a big "if".

Why ?
I think the quality of Miranda's content in ME3 is really good, and I would thank the writer for that. My problem is what is missing, not what is in the game.
The only one I would blame is the one who decided to sideline the ME2 characters.

Agree. Miranda's content is good, the conversation with her about the control chip is one of the very best in the game. It's just that there's not enough Miranda in the game. But that was the entire team's decision. They picked Tali & Garrus from ME2 squad. Yeah...

And Miranda was written by Jay Watamaniuk in ME3, Patrick Weeks just tweeted it: twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/191726078732156928

Thank you for this information.

[Dr. Doctor]

I don't really have a problem with Miranda's writing in ME3, what's there is good. My problem is with her crit path, she's Cerberus' ex second-in-command yet she has no reaction to what's going on? Perhaps if someone was paying more attention to the storyline rather than unsubtly suggesting that we should romance Liara instead we'd get a bit of clarification.

[Aliqaiser]

Ares91 wrote...

flemm wrote...

Ares91 wrote...

Yeah im thinking maybe I don't want this extended ending. Because if they "explain" the ending more and they show that Shepard does indeed die even in the destroy ending. Then that just throws all the happy ending Shepard lives fanfic out the door.

Anything's possible, but overall the vibe seems to be more about making happier endings easier to imagine, reunions, that kind of thing. So... I guess we'll see. But I doubt they'll make it worse in that area.

kookie28 wrote...

I think they'll ''clarify'' that Shepard
lives in the Destroy ending if your EMS is high enough and show some
sort of rescue scene. Whether there's a reunion with your squad or with
ME2 LI's is another story. But I guarantee Liara will show up
somewhere.

Im hoping its what you guys said but with this screw up my faith in bioware is a bit shaken. I would love to see a rescue and a reunion scene with the squad especialy with your LI that would be perfect in my opinion.
As for Liara Im so tired of them shoving her down my throats. I romanced Miranda dont show me Liara when I die. I mena I have nothing against her I actualy like the character just sick of her getting all the attention.

Aliqaiser wrote...

HEY FOLK's
My Lithograph (Lost without you) is Finally finished



And Here's the Deviant Art link
http://aliqaiser.dev...t-you-296300821

OK that is mad cool:O
I love the armor Shepard is in did you come up with that or is that an in game set?

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

She better not be dead in that picture. >_>

I dont think she is when you look at the pic blown up shes been shot in the leg and she just looks like her eyes are closed. IDK  Aliqaiser can we get a confirmation plz:)

Every things fine, just wanted to build up a scene, where its miranda who needed shepard. and she's definately not dead, just got a shot in the leg............. 

[flemm]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Every things fine, just wanted to build up a scene, where its miranda who needed shepard. and she's definately not dead, just got a shot in the leg............. 

We may need DLC for clarification

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

The only one I would blame is the one who decided to sideline the ME2 characters.

Well, that's certainly true, first and foremost. And I can easily imagine being happy with the role if Miranda joined up after Sanctuary as she obviously should.

That said, there's a problem somewhere if I have to say: this really logical thing should happen, but it doesn't.

Miranda's role was never really going to be satisfying without being larger, but there's enough dialogue and screentime that it should have added up to much more than it does.

I don't agree. There is not enough screentime to do this.
What was needed to develop the other sides of her character :

- Miranda as squadmate during the Chronos mission
- A bigger role (on screen) with shepard during the final battle
- A presence, even temporary, on the Normandy
- Show what she did on Sanctuary and how she did this
- More conversations

[Aliqaiser]

I would like to thank, kookie28, Abraham_uk, yannkee, jtav, Ares19, ch8900, kratos0294, Flemm and skullheart, for all your awesome remarks and appreciations on the deviation........
Thx again it means alot.

[Aliqaiser]

flemm wrote...

Aliqaiser wrote...

Every things fine, just wanted to build up a scene, where its miranda who needed shepard. and she's definately not dead, just got a shot in the leg............. 

We may need DLC for clarification

That might work 

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

I don't agree. There is not enough screentime to do this.
What was needed to develop the other sides of her character :

- Miranda as squadmate during the Chronos mission
- A bigger role (on screen) with shepard during the final battle
- A presence, even temporary, on the Normandy
- Show what she did on Sanctuary and how she did this
- More conversations

Well, I agree with everything that needs to be there. That's why I said, "It was never going to be satisfying without a larger role." Especially the Chronos mission is a big deal, I think we all agree on that.

What's there could be really good as part of something larger. But... it isn't part of something larger. So, that is problematic.

Modifié par flemm, 16 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[MisterJB]

We had three conversations in the game before her big mission. That is a small number but had the writer used them to their fullest, it could have worked. As it stands, there is a single topic that overshadows all others.
So, I believe the problem lies not on lack of screentime (tough that is certainly a problem as well) but rather on the direction they wanted to take her.

edit: So, we did get a junior writer.

Modifié par MisterJB, 16 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
So, I believe the problem lies not on lack of screentime (tough that is certainly a problem as well) but rather on the direction they wanted to take her.

Or... organized differently?

One wierd thing about the role is that it keeps teasing you with the idea that she will join up once the father is dealt with. She *should* join up at that point by all accounts. So, that's just a strange way to organize the role if she isn't going to join up.

[Dr. Doctor]

I agree, Miranda's arc suggests that once Oriana's out of the way she'll be able to come with us or have some sort of contribution. But all we get is an SB email and a vidcall.

[Ares91]

You guys wanted to know who wrote the genophage and Miranda in me3 well I've got the goods

Sorry you have to copy and past guys
http://mobile.twitte...726078732156928

[MrNose]

flemm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
So, I believe the problem lies not on lack of screentime (tough that is certainly a problem as well) but rather on the direction they wanted to take her.

Or... organized differently?

One wierd thing about the role is that it keeps teasing you with the idea that she will join up once the father is dealt with. She *should* join up at that point by all accounts. So, that's just a strange way to organize the role if she isn't going to join up.

It took me a little while to realize that she wasn't joining up afterwards.  At first I assumed I had a bug that skipped over the cuscene where she joins or something.

[Skullheart]

So, he's the one who ignored a lot of traits of Miranda...

[yesikareyes]

flemm wrote...

Aliqaiser wrote...

Every things fine, just wanted to build up a scene, where its miranda who needed shepard. and she's definately not dead, just got a shot in the leg............. 

We may need DLC for clarification

You know guys, if only the ending had Miranda pulling out Shepard in the rubble.... I would have died happy already. That's all I need, an indication that they found each other and the rest I can totally head canon. 

Screw logic, give me happiness. I don't care about all the other plot holes. 

I really hope they take into consideration my mass tweets about Miranda in the Extended Cut DLC.

[Ares91]

Well she told us to find her when this is over and we promised we would. So what should happen is Shepard sucks it up pulls himself out of the rubble and getsbon the Normandy and uses it to fly to where ever Miranda is.

[PlumPaul93]

yesikareyes wrote...You know guys, if only the ending had Miranda pulling out Shepard in the rubble.... I would have died happy already. That's all I need, an indication that they found each other and the rest I can totally head canon. 

Screw logic, give me happiness. I don't care about all the other plot holes. 

I really hope they take into consideration my mass tweets about Miranda in the Extended Cut DLC.

lol. I'm sure they'll provide more hope for those with romances in extended cut.

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...

flemm wrote...

Aliqaiser wrote...

Every things fine, just wanted to build up a scene, where its miranda who needed shepard. and she's definately not dead, just got a shot in the leg............. 

We may need DLC for clarification

You know guys, if only the ending had Miranda pulling out Shepard in the rubble.... I would have died happy already. That's all I need, an indication that they found each other and the rest I can totally head canon. 

Screw logic, give me happiness. I don't care about all the other plot holes. 

I really hope they take into consideration my mass tweets about Miranda in the Extended Cut DLC.

I've always said  people would have overlooked a lot of the plot holes had the ending been emotionally satisfying. We needed to see that all was well with the galaxy - within the limits of the plausible.

I don't exacty like that Shepard dies and there's no future for him and Miranda, but I can live with it. Cyrus Shepard always said Miranda is more important for humanity's future than he is anyway. But *everything* going to hell, that's just not acceptable. If everything *else* is going to hell, we need a happy end for Shepard personally.

[yesikareyes]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always said  people would have overlooked a lot of the plot holes had the ending been emotionally satisfying. We needed to see that all was well with the galaxy - within the limits of the plausible.

I don't exacty like that Shepard dies and there's no future for him and Miranda, but I can live with it. Cyrus Shepard always said Miranda is more important for humanity's future than he is anyway. But *everything* going to hell, that's just not acceptable. If everything *else* is going to hell, we need a happy end for Shepard personally.

Who says everything is going to hell?

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
So, he's the one who ignored a lot of traits of Miranda...

I don't think we can put it all on him. He may be responsible for the impression that Miranda's contribution to the plot feels like an adjunct to her family problems, admittedly the greatest problem with her in ME3. But the lack of Cerberus-related content, her absence on Cronos station and her origin never brought up again could be a guideline from Casey Hudson: "Don't draw attention to controversial aspects. We want players to like her, be sad or angry about her death and hate Kai Leng all the more."

Mostly I blame the person responsible for her forced death in non-imported games.

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always said  people would have overlooked a lot of the plot holes had the ending been emotionally satisfying. We needed to see that all was well with the galaxy - within the limits of the plausible.

I don't exacty like that Shepard dies and there's no future for him and Miranda, but I can live with it. Cyrus Shepard always said Miranda is more important for humanity's future than he is anyway. But *everything* going to hell, that's just not acceptable. If everything *else* is going to hell, we need a happy end for Shepard personally.

Who says everything is going to hell?

That's the impression the endings give at first glance, no? Galactic civilization destroyed, Earth's cities a heap of rubble, Allied fleet stranded in the Sol system, Normandy stranded on some remote unknown planet. Everyone and everything is screwed. And I'm very sure that's the intended impression, too. MW and CH wanted the galaxy plunged into a dark age. Other interpretations are possible of course, but depend on meticulous analysis of the ending sequences and giving things a heavy positive spin.

[Nightdragon8]

You know the sad part is that really Miranda and Jack are the "best" LI in the fact that they seem to be the only ones still on Earth at the end. I mean all the other LI joined up with Joker and run away.

[Ieldra]

IsaacShep wrote...
And Miranda was written by Jay Watamaniuk in ME3, Patrick Weeks just tweeted it: twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/191726078732156928

I wonder if we should ask him why certain character traits of Miranda and aspects of her backstory just disappeared in ME3.

[yesikareyes]

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always said  people would have overlooked a lot of the plot holes had the ending been emotionally satisfying. We needed to see that all was well with the galaxy - within the limits of the plausible.

I don't exacty like that Shepard dies and there's no future for him and Miranda, but I can live with it. Cyrus Shepard always said Miranda is more important for humanity's future than he is anyway. But *everything* going to hell, that's just not acceptable. If everything *else* is going to hell, we need a happy end for Shepard personally.

Who says everything is going to hell?

That's the impression the endings give at first glance, no? Galactic civilization destroyed, Earth's cities a heap of rubble, Allied fleet stranded in the Sol system, Normandy stranded on some remote unknown planet. Everyone and everything is screwed. And I'm very sure that's the intended impression, too. MW and CH wanted the galaxy plunged into a dark age. Other interpretations are possible of course, but depend on meticulous analysis of the ending sequences and giving things a heavy positive spin.

Well, I think I'll give the endings my oversimplistic and ridiculously optimistic outlook. 

Man, I feel like if I was in the Matrix movie... I would just choose to be blisfully ignorant be part of the program instead of reality.