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[flemm]

Mandalorian9 wrote...

I'm sure everyone has heard this question before, but is anyone here upset or was previously upset finding out Miranda cannot have children?
Personally I am upset by this, but Miranda is still the best. Still I've always waned my Shepard to be a father...

It only bothers me insofar as it's:

1) an unnecessary and probably misguided retcon, and...
2) possibly a narrow-minded attempt to show that genetic engineering is inherently bad/evil.

#2 is especially unfortunate, if it is the case, because Miranda should be a character who allows for an intelligent exploration of the pros and cons of genetic engineering. Her father represents some of the moral difficulties involved, and her insecurities about her origins should allow for some nuanced discussion of what it means to be human/what part of ourselves we can call our own, etc. (There's some good writing that touches on that subject in ME2.) But then you also have the benefits of science reflected in Miranda herself, what she's capable of, and so on.

I say it's "probably misguided" because I think the infertility could actually be turned into a good thing if it helped Miranda embrace her origins and use her own scientific expertise to overcome her physical limitations. That would be good character development. That didn't happen in ME3, but I can't rule out that something like that may have been considered.

[Ares91]

@TD1984 Hey my kit is in great condition and the ammo works just fine thank you very much.

[Mandalorian9]

flemm wrote...

Mandalorian9 wrote...

I'm sure everyone has heard this question before, but is anyone here upset or was previously upset finding out Miranda cannot have children?
Personally I am upset by this, but Miranda is still the best. Still I've always waned my Shepard to be a father...

It only bothers me insofar as it's:

1) an unnecessary and probably misguided retcon, and...
2) possibly a narrow-minded attempt to show that genetic engineering is inherently bad/evil.

#2 is especially unfortunate, if it is the case, because Miranda should be a character who allows for an intelligent exploration of the pros and cons of genetic engineering. Her father represents some of the moral difficulties involved, and her insecurities about her origins should allow for some nuanced discussion of what it means to be human/what part of ourselves we can call our own, etc. (There's some good writing that touches on that subject in ME2.) But then you also have the benefits of science reflected in Miranda herself, what she's capable of, and so on.

I say it's "probably misguided" because I think the infertility could actually be turned into a good thing if it helped Miranda embrace her origins and use her own scientific expertise to overcome her physical limitations. That would be good character development. That didn't happen in ME3, but I can't rule out that something like that may have been considered.

I see. Good points. Although I have my own opinions on genetic engineering and modification in the real world, in ME it seems all of the negative impacts of it don't exist, save for this one drawback for Miranda. Also, I would like to see Miranda finally open up to Shepard if she ids your LI, I think he has a right to be told and decide whether or not he would want to continue the relationship or not. Not saying anyone here would say no, but having it in the game would have been something.

[Mandalorian9]

Td1984 wrote...

Mandalorian9 wrote...

Ares91 wrote...

We can bring people back from the dead. We can unsterilize a whole race. We can make zombies.
But we can't help you to have a baby.
Yeah I don't see why they can't fix it show she can have kids.
Also I see Miranda liking Italian as well BBQ. And sandwiches. Everyone likes a good sandwich.

After all with all of the abuse Shepard's body has taken to still be able to reproduce makes Miranda's condition even less of a concern. If you can put back together male/female genitalia that has enterd atmosphere, crashlanded on the planet, froze and was basically "a pile of meat" for two years so perfectly that they can have kids with no problem, then you can fix Miranda's condition.

There's no guarantee Shepard can reproduce either though.

True, but I think Shepard would have been told so, by Cerberus or Chawkwas. If I was Shepard, I'd be curious in the 6 months stationed on Earth. I would have checked myself out. 

[flemm]

Mandalorian9 wrote...
I see. Good points. Although I have my own opinions on genetic engineering and modification in the real world, in ME it seems all of the negative impacts of it don't exist, save for this one drawback for Miranda. Also, I would like to see Miranda finally open up to Shepard if she ids your LI, I think he has a right to be told and decide whether or not he would want to continue the relationship or not. Not saying anyone here would say no, but having it in the game would have been something.

I agree that, since it was introduced in the first place, it should addressed via dialogue in the game.

[cbutz]

I kind of just head cannon it. She brought Shepard back to life. End of Line. Even if she was some how "Space Magic" unable to fix it, if her and Shep wanted kids they could always adopt. OR even produce a child the same way Miranda was created, except it would be from both Shepard and Miranda's DNA. Although I am not sure if Miranda would want that or not...depends on her views on that.

On a side note, there are wo things we need to work on.
1. The LIA 2 Project, http://social.biowar...dex/11315889/1. This is about shepard and his LI (Miranda). Her they are taking letters and artwork. The letter is pretty easy, just write what drew you to Miranda, as an LI, and just write "Shepard lieks x, y ,z about Miranda." They want this in by the 25th of this month.
2. The Miranda Fanbook. http://social.bioware.com/group/7217/
We have our own book in the planning stages, be on the lookout for that, analysis, fanfics, artworks , comic etc. That is later on, or more info later.

I know this seems to be alot , with the LIA 1 book, the LIA 2 book looking for submissions by the 25th , and the Miranda book at a later date, but put in the work now. If we want more content, be it General Miranda story arc content or Li content,we are going to have to show Bioware we want it. Therefore for this threads sake, Miranda needs a good showing in the LIA 2 Project and the Miranda Fanbook project.

Oh, and I am pretty sure she is a good cook.

[Ares91]

I don't know who else Aliqaiser sent the pm to but we mow have a site to work on the Miranda book http://mirandalawson....wordpress.com/

If we could get everyone that's interested in the comic to come over that would be great. As it stands only myself and crutch have checked in.
Also on that note we need another writer for the comic. Neither myself nor crutch seem very keen in doing the romantic parts of the storey. So any writes comfortable with that please let us now.

@cbutz my letter should be done by Thursday I just gotta redo ot in Shepard dialogue I have it as a normal letter right now. So when it's done can just PM it to you correct?

[flemm]

cbutz wrote...

On a side note, there are wo things we need to work on.
1. The LIA 2 Project, http://social.biowar...dex/11315889/1. This is about shepard and his LI (Miranda). Her they are taking letters and artwork. The letter is pretty easy, just write what drew you to Miranda, as an LI, and just write "Shepard lieks x, y ,z about Miranda." They want this in by the 25th of this month.
2. The Miranda Fanbook. http://social.bioware.com/group/7217/
We have our own book in the planning stages, be on the lookout for that, analysis, fanfics, artworks , comic etc. That is later on, or more info later.

I know this seems to be alot , with the LIA 1 book, the LIA 2 book looking for submissions by the 25th , and the Miranda book at a later date, but put in the work now. If we want more content, be it General Miranda story arc content or Li content,we are going to have to show Bioware we want it. Therefore for this threads sake, Miranda needs a good showing in the LIA 2 Project and the Miranda Fanbook project.

Here, here. I expect to really start focusing on gathering submissions for the Miranda Fanbook starting next week, with the first thing we focus on to be screenshots of our favorite MIranda moments from both games. So, that's something everyone can keep in mind if you are playing Mass Effect this week or over the weekend.

[cbutz]

@ares91 sure go ahead. Ill send it to their gmail.

[Babi_Siha]

flemm wrote...

cbutz wrote...

On a side note, there are wo things we need to work on.
1. The LIA 2 Project, http://social.biowar...dex/11315889/1. This is about shepard and his LI (Miranda). Her they are taking letters and artwork. The letter is pretty easy, just write what drew you to Miranda, as an LI, and just write "Shepard lieks x, y ,z about Miranda." They want this in by the 25th of this month.
2. The Miranda Fanbook. http://social.bioware.com/group/7217/
We have our own book in the planning stages, be on the lookout for that, analysis, fanfics, artworks , comic etc. That is later on, or more info later.

I know this seems to be alot , with the LIA 1 book, the LIA 2 book looking for submissions by the 25th , and the Miranda book at a later date, but put in the work now. If we want more content, be it General Miranda story arc content or Li content,we are going to have to show Bioware we want it. Therefore for this threads sake, Miranda needs a good showing in the LIA 2 Project and the Miranda Fanbook project.

Here, here. I expect to really start focusing on gathering submissions for the Miranda Fanbook starting next week, with the first thing we focus on to be screenshots of our favorite MIranda moments from both games. So, that's something everyone can keep in mind if you are playing Mass Effect this week or over the weekend.

I'm already working on my letter, this way it shows Miranda has fans from Brazil too.

Does the group have deadline? We shouldn't extend the deadline too much, the sooner we can send the book, the better are our odds of the devs including some of our suggestions on future projects and hopefully even the extended cut DLC.

[Aliqaiser]

 

, OK, she's real now................:wub::wub::wub:
I so wanna Die:lol:

[Ares91]

That's just creepy lol

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Aliqaiser wrote...

 

:wub::wub:

[Ieldra]

I feel old, seeing this excitement over a picture that was posted first two years ago... but yes, it *is* nice.

[MisterJB]

Here's something curious.



These two...

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[Ares91]

So they have a weakness hmm apparently we didn't have to listen to the star brat?

[Caihn]

Mandalorian9 wrote...

 I'm sure everyone has heard this question before, but is anyone here upset or was previously upset finding out Miranda cannot have children? 
Personally I am upset by this, but Miranda is still the best. Still I've always waned my Shepard to be a father...

Before being a father, he has to be alive and be with Miranda. Give me a reunion scene, Bioware !

Then if technology can't cure her infertility, they will adopt a child (I'm sure many orphans on earth will need a family).

Modifié par Yannkee, 18 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[Attila 6]

I just watched the scene: Ashley mentions Miranda. I wear armor in to battle not swimwear, I`m a real person with flaws and all: answer for that " what makes you think that I choose her because she wears different clothes, second part: did you met with her?, did you talked with her?, do you know anything about her childhood? The main thing is she trusted me better than you.

[Berg]

^ She seems not to be popular with some of the ladies. Tali went a bit OTT on her also (if Miranda had died, and Tali spoke about her like that so soon afterwards...well it would be a bit insensitive to put it mildly).

At least Liara always speaks reasonably well of her.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Mandalorian9 wrote...

I'm sure everyone has heard this question before, but is anyone here upset or was previously upset finding out Miranda cannot have children?
Personally I am upset by this, but Miranda is still the best. Still I've always waned my Shepard to be a father...

It only bothers me insofar as it's:

1) an unnecessary and probably misguided retcon, and...
2) possibly a narrow-minded attempt to show that genetic engineering is inherently bad/evil.

#2 is especially unfortunate, if it is the case, because Miranda should be a character who allows for an intelligent exploration of the pros and cons of genetic engineering. Her father represents some of the moral difficulties involved, and her insecurities about her origins should allow for some nuanced discussion of what it means to be human/what part of ourselves we can call our own, etc. (There's some good writing that touches on that subject in ME2.) But then you also have the benefits of science reflected in Miranda herself, what she's capable of, and so on.

I say it's "probably misguided" because I think the infertility could actually be turned into a good thing if it helped Miranda embrace her origins and use her own scientific expertise to overcome her physical limitations. That would be good character development. That didn't happen in ME3, but I can't rule out that something like that may have been considered.

Given the general tendency of character mainstreaming in ME3, and the way it's used in Miranda's death scene, I have my doubts about that. The LotSB dossier feels as if either unconcious use of clichés or the abovementioned narrow-mindedness has resulted in the infertility. Ah, and not to forget a total incompetence in estimating plausible advances in medical technology in the ME universe.

I still can't get over the fact that they gave all other characters some funny but inconsequential addons but MIranda a serious problem. Well, it's not serious if we don't want it to be, but even so. The attempt annoys.

[Ieldra]

cbutz wrote...
I kind of just head cannon it. She brought Shepard back to life. End of Line. Even if she was some how "Space Magic" unable to fix it, if her and Shep wanted kids they could always adopt. OR even produce a child the same way Miranda was created, except it would be from both Shepard and Miranda's DNA. Although I am not sure if Miranda would want that or not...depends on her views on that.

If she has problems, I would want to convince her that her own problems were mostly the reason of her father's treatment of her. Undermining someone's self-esteem is a tried and true way of keeping control. And yeah, I also headcanon it. I don't have a future in mind where Miranda and Shepard have children, but I have one where they could if they wanted. 

[Ieldra]

Attila 6 wrote...
I just watched the scene: Ashley mentions Miranda. I wear armor in to battle not swimwear, I`m a real person with flaws and all: answer for that " what makes you think that I choose her because she wears different clothes, second part: did you met with her?, did you talked with her?, do you know anything about her childhood? The main thing is she trusted me better than you.

You can answer that way: "You walked away on Horizon, not I. You don't get to be angry about this". It's a bit short, but it works as far as I'm concerns. Then end the conversation with "I should go". Feels very natural, unforgiving but not too rude.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Two brilliant, introverted women. I think they'd get on famously if they got past each other's shells.

Indeed. Traynor's line about finding out how the Rachni communicate instantly might as well have come from Miranda. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Attila 6 wrote...
I just watched the scene: Ashley mentions Miranda. I wear armor in to battle not swimwear, I`m a real person with flaws and all: answer for that " what makes you think that I choose her because she wears different clothes, second part: did you met with her?, did you talked with her?, do you know anything about her childhood? The main thing is she trusted me better than you.

You can answer that way: "You walked away on Horizon, not I. You don't get to be angry about this". It's a bit short, but it works as far as I'm concerns. Then end the conversation with "I should go". Feels very natural, unforgiving but not too rude.

Where and when do you get this scene?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Yeah, we really needed that extra conversation. I'm doing a playthrough where I agree with Miranda in everything, and the base is jarring. It can be made to fit, but there's definitely a sense of something missing. The bad guy's henchman seeing the light thanks to the charismatic hero is a well-worn trope, but since Miranda was just telling me to sell Legion, it feels really odd.

It's even worse. Earlier in the SM she was ready to risk the crew because going back would jeopardize the mission. And you can have the second romance conversation where she says how much of an asset Shepard could be to Cerberus and that TIM has humanity's best interests at heart after Reaper IFF. Even the wavering at the Collector ship you only get if you assert that TIM betrayed you. It's not there if you choose "Let's not jump to conclusions before we have all the facts". There is *no* precedent for her behaviour at the CB. It's like her character was exchanged.

And the loss of idealism in the aftermath is still rage-inducing.

QFT.