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[jtav]

There's a rumored vigilante and there needs to be someone available for new players. It could be Ash, but something tells me no.

[Vertigo_1]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I don't think there's going to be a new human female LI. We can already choose between Ash, Miranda, Jack and KellKell.

I hope not!

OT:
I'll probably get some flak for this and I apologize but wasn't Kelly confirmed by a developer to not be a 'serious' LI?
Not that I wouldn't mind her becoming an LI...just that I read it as he was describing how to romance her in ME2.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

There's a rumored vigilante and there needs to be someone available for new players. It could be Ash, but something tells me no.

"Vigilante" rumor was started after that appeared in the ME3 credits in IMDB
It has since been removed.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juin 2011 - 10:19 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Jtav is probrably referring to Ashley Williams who now looks more like Oriana than Oriana herself.
That can't be a good sign.

Ashley will not be in my ME3 playthroughs. So I have nothing to worry about right?

Or will I still have a problem?

I hope that nothing bad happens.

I do not want Miri to be reduced becuase of characters or other things. I don't want to have little interaction with my LI.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 juin 2011 - 10:20 .

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

Jtav is probrably referring to Ashley Williams who now looks more like Oriana than Oriana herself.
That can't be a good sign.

I wasn't, but it isn't a good sign. Miranda as sex symbol is replaceable and is easily confused with Ashley. We know there's more to her, but will the majority of players care where they get fanservice?

[jtav]

I strongly suspect Ash vs. Kaidan will have no impact on Miranda's squad status.

[Caihn]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I don't think there's going to be a new human female LI. We can already choose between Ash, Miranda, Jack and KellKell.

I agree.
All these characters deserve to have their romance developped, no need to have an another human female LI.
Also, a lot of players romanced these characters (and not only for their looks), and many of them will want to continue the romance and stay faithful. So the chance of success of a new human female LI is very slim (maybe with the new players ...).

Modifié par Yannkee, 15 juin 2011 - 10:48 .

[alperez]

My main gripe with what i consider is bioware getting ready to shaft the Miranda fans is that as a character and an Li her importance is equal or more than equal to some of the confirmed full squadmates.

The romance arc is a key part of why Miranda and the other Li's have to actually be full squadmates and not have a temp squadmate role imo.

If an Li is only a temp squadmate then we'll have less screentime and dialogue than someone who is a full squadmate which means Li's being treated differently, which considering we're supposed to choose our Li is basically just screwing with us.

As for the character arc, out of everything we know about the story of me3 certain characters should actually play a large role in the basic storyline. Considering what cerberus seem to be doing it stands to reason that Miranda should play a large role in how we eventually sort out cerberus and Tim.

Now if what i fear we're getting with Miranda (temp squadmate role) is true then as an Li we're getting less then we get with any of the confirmed returns (ash,kaiden,garrus,liara,tali) and as a character that plays an important role in the story we're getting less then (ash,liara,kaiden,garrus,tali) in fact you can argue that Miranda should play a more important role than most of the returning squadmates.

Biowares excuse for not being upfront and just saying yes or no to whether or not Miranda is a full squadmate reeks of everything they did regarding the me1 crew when me2 came out (and look how that turned out cameo hell).

I mean seriously we can't tell you because it spoils the storyline, really thats the best you can come up with. If thats the case then knowing any character is a squadmate spoils the storyline,hell they've already told us that Ash/kaiden are spectres but confirming Miranda as a squadmate spoils the story, get real.

[Varus Praetor]

I liked Miranda because I think she and Jack represented the most growth of any character in ME2. Neither liked you AT ALL to start the game, but if you put in a little effort they really warmed up and flashed their personality by the end.

I also liked Miranda's story. Despite being engineered to be "perfect," she is as flawed as any other human and trying to reconcile that with her upbringing makes for an interesting story.

I also liked that she was hot...I am a guy after all.

[Lumikki]

When TIM is after Shepard and Miranda knows TIM well, so she can help Shepard with Cerberus connection as part of story.

Modifié par Lumikki, 16 juin 2011 - 12:20 .

[jtav]

But what does that make her? It really depends on the importance of that plot.

I'd also like to remind everyone that silence is just that: silence. It's not an admission one way or the other. We simply do not know the extent of her role.

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...
If Miranda doesn't have a significant screen time (more than a cameo or a perm squadmate), ME3 is not worth it to me. I would like to finish the mass effect story, but I would be too disapointed for that. I don't think I'm gonna play  the game :/

I agree  <3


I'd prefer Cerberus is completely disbanded rather then Miranda taking control, it seems to me... Cerberus would be another 'Helena Blake' scenario. I think given all that Cerberus has done, it is well beyond repair.

I still want Miranda to be given a powerful roll, however i don't feel that "The Illusive Woman" is that roll. I'm not entirely sure what that roll should be, perhaps she could build an equally powerful organization as Cerberus, but one that doesn't have such a Xenophobic attitude.

Having her take over Cerberus would also be fairly uncreative writing in my opinion. We've already seen that specific character arc with Liara. I'd love for Miranda to have equal importance and power, but written differently.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 16 juin 2011 - 01:57 .

[TheMarshal]

ParadoxAu wrote...

I'd prefer Cerberus is completely disbanded rather then Miranda taking control, it seems to me... Cerberus would be another 'Helena Blake' scenario. I think given all that Cerberus has done, it is well beyond repair.

I still want Miranda to be given a powerful roll, however i don't feel that "The Illusive Woman" is that roll. I'm not entirely sure what that roll should be, perhaps she could build an equally powerful organization as Cerberus, but one that doesn't have such a Xenophobic attitude.

Having her take over Cerberus would also be fairly uncreative writing in my opinion. We've already seen that specific character arc with Liara. I'd love for Miranda to have equal importance and power, but written differently.

I'd want her to start her own group rather than picking up the remnants of Cerberus.  Personally, I like the idea of Shepard and Liara giving her some resources to start her own group, but I'm not quite sure if that'd be disrespectful or not...

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
There's a rumored vigilante and there needs to be someone available for new players. It could be Ash, but something tells me no.

I've read somewhere that new players will be able to romance the old LIs. Which means we don't need a new LI for maleShep. Given the dubious succcess of some male LIs, it may be different for them.

I can only say Miranda doesn't need more competition for game development resources.

[jeweledleah]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
There's a rumored vigilante and there needs to be someone available for new players. It could be Ash, but something tells me no.

I've read somewhere that new players will be able to romance the old LIs. Which means we don't need a new LI for maleShep. Given the dubious succcess of some male LIs, it may be different for them.

I can only say Miranda doesn't need more competition for game development resources.

I'm pretty sure that what they meant is that new players will be able to select an ME1 and/or ME2 LI via introductory comic or whatever they will make up as the vehicle to remind old players of which choices they made and allow new players to make their own choices instead of having one default.  sort of like genesis.

also Casye Hudson said that there will be some new LI's

hopefuly, they will still do justice to already existing characters, LI or non LI.  I'm very curious as to what they will do with Miranda's development.

P.S.  I think there's a very interesting potential to Miranda taking over Cerberus.  after all - Liara did become a new Shadow broker.  why waste all those resources and contacts when you could do something useful with them?  Cerberus has a lot of varied resources 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 16 juin 2011 - 06:23 .

[Ieldra]

ParadoxAu wrote...
I'd prefer Cerberus is completely disbanded rather then Miranda taking control, it seems to me... Cerberus would be another 'Helena Blake' scenario. I think given all that Cerberus has done, it is well beyond repair.

I still want Miranda to be given a powerful roll, however i don't feel that "The Illusive Woman" is that roll. I'm not entirely sure what that roll should be, perhaps she could build an equally powerful organization as Cerberus, but one that doesn't have such a Xenophobic attitude.

Having her take over Cerberus would also be fairly uncreative writing in my opinion. We've already seen that specific character arc with Liara. I'd love for Miranda to have equal importance and power, but written differently.

I've always said she'd reshape Cerberus along the lines of the salarian STG. Humanity needs its own group of that kind. She'd need to purge the xenophobic extremists, yes. What I like most about the idea is that she'd inherit the enigmatic nimbus of the Illusive Man. 

TheMarshal wrote...
I'd want her to start her own group rather than picking up the remnants of Cerberus.  Personally, I like the idea of Shepard and Liara giving her some resources to start her own group, but I'm not quite sure if that'd be disrespectful or not...

It would be. But speaking of inheritance - perhaps the Reaper war will present an opportunity to send her father into ..er...retirement. Then she could gain control of his considerable fortune. Or as a less radical alternative, she has spy programs in her father's systems, it shouldn't be too hard for her to route some resources away from him.

[McBaal]

Even if i prefere Ashley as a LI in ME3, i dont believe that Bioware will let you guys down. There has been way too much effort into Mirandas character (not only in ME2) to just dumb her. Half of the team in ME2 was only available after Horizon, so it needed a few hours. I am sure you all will get your LI with Miranda, even if she may not be a fulltime squadmember. Maybe she is fighting her own personal war (father, TIM, Cerberus) and you will need to help her with that the same way you have to in Lotsb. After dealing with the shadowbroker Liara is gone again, i suppose it will be the same with Miranda. Gone at the beginning for persoanl reasons, reunion for one or a few Lotsb style missions, getting sepperated, and then, when you get close to the final fight, Miranda will be on board the Normandy again. Until the bitter end. So "temprary squadmate" doesnt have to mean "you get screwed, accept it"
I mean, how many unique dialogues (LI) did you have with her in ME2? 3? 4? Did you use her in every mission? Stay objective, i am sure you will be more sattisfied than Ashley LI in ME2 :-(

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
But what does that make her? It really depends on the importance of that plot.

I'd also like to remind everyone that silence is just that: silence. It's not an admission one way or the other. We simply do not know the extent of her role.

We all fear she'll get something akin to the Horizon scenario, but to be fair, we have five kinds of precedence for how characters are treated in a sequel:

(1) The Kaidan/Ashley treatment. An unsatisfying cameo with more than a hint of character assassination.

(2) The Wrex treatment. An OK cameo with a fairly important background role, but very limited interaction.

(3) The Garrus treatment: fair screen presence in ME2, permanent team member and upgraded to LI, but no role in the plot.

(4) The Tali treatment: like Garrus, only with a setup for a fairly important plot role in ME3 added.

(5) The Liara treatment: limited screen presence, but with a setup for a huge role in the plot in ME3.

Looking over these precedences, I cannot imagine Miranda, being an LI with a huge potential for a role in the plot, will get anything like (1) to (3). I don't recall how much was revealed pre-release in all cases, but in Garrus' case I recall the reveal was very late. So the silence really is no indicator for a sidelined Miranda.

Yes, I've said something different before. Much to my chagrin, I'm too much emotionally invested to think straight at times. Very embarrassing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juin 2011 - 08:10 .

[Ieldra]

McBaal wrote...
After dealing with the shadowbroker Liara is gone again, i suppose it will be the same with Miranda. Gone at the beginning for persoanl reasons, reunion for one or a few Lotsb style missions, getting sepperated, and then, when you get close to the final fight, Miranda will be on board the Normandy again. Until the bitter end. So "temprary squadmate" doesnt have to mean "you get screwed, accept it"

We are aware of this, McBaal. I think this is indeed very likely. The problem is there is only so much space for interaction within one mission, so I really hope it's a few rather than one. And her having only a middling role in the plot will be unsatisying.

I mean, how many unique dialogues (LI) did you have with her in ME2? 3? 4?

If you include her comments on missions and locations - 21

Did you use her in every mission?

You are in the Miranda fan thread. Do you really need to ask? In my Insanity playthroughs I left her behind on missions where there were many krogan as enemies and on the Quarian Crash Site N7 assignment. But I have 2 Insanity playthroughs and 8 Shepards. In most games I brought her everywhere.

Stay objective, i am sure you will be more sattisfied than Ashley LI in ME2 :-(

That's not saying much. I feel with you about Horizon, but I'm sure Ashley fans will not be disappointed with her in ME3. At least you already know that she'll have had a fair screen presence in two of three Mass Effect games. Something we can only hope for at this time.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juin 2011 - 08:05 .

[wright1978]

Most playthroughs i take Miranda on pretty much every mission in ME2. That's why the thought of her being a temporary squadmate is so dissatisfying.

[AresXX7]

jtav wrote...

That's one love triangle I never had the heart to do. Miranda is pretty much pond scum I'd only be interested if it turned into a Miranda/Liara/Shepard trio. Which it won't.

Pond scum???

Why do you say that?

[McBaal]

Because he is nuts.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jtav is probrably referring to Ashley Williams who now looks more like Oriana than Oriana herself.
That can't be a good sign.

I wasn't, but it isn't a good sign. Miranda as sex symbol is replaceable and is easily confused with Ashley. We know there's more to her, but will the majority of players care where they get fanservice?

i disagree. ashley was always the antithesis of sex-symbol, so that would require a LoSB style character change to make happen, despite her souped-up normandy appearance. miranda and ashley are chalk/cheese, which should make for an interesting and explosive combination.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 juin 2011 - 10:13 .

[Repearized Miranda]

Yannkee wrote...

I want her back as a full time squadmate because I want :

- interactions
- many conversations
- a significant screen time
- to continue the romance
- my favorite badass squadmate at my side during missions
- party banters
- my XO back
- character development

Because I want my favorite character at my side during the last chapter of the series, after that we won't see her again.

^ This! Though I couldn't romance her in ME2, I'll never forget her saving me after the SM! (on Insanity, no less!)

Erm, may I barrow that picture?

[MisterJB]

That username confuses me.