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Ieldra2 wrote...
But that Miranda never brings it up while everyone else does, that's not just inexcusable - it's totally incomprehensible. The character whose Cerberus affiliation was closest has least to say about the newest developments? It beggars comprehension.

Agreed. It's beyond ridiculous. And it's probably the writer's responsability. It's possible, of course, that the writer was instructed not to bring this up, but I think it's more likely that the writer simply did not consider Miranda's character from any other point of view than a few very simplistic clichés, which end up dominating the role despite a few late efforts to improve the situation.

[Caihn]

Ares91 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Not having Miranda in the squad, her reduced role and her rushed romance are things I will never forgive to Bioware. I even find the ending less disappointing than all this.

This is pretty much how I feel right now.

Mac Walters said :

"it's not the destination, it's the journey"
The problem with Miranda is that the journey is even more disapointing than the destination.

"it’s about the moments you share with these characters"
Where are these moments ? Where is my favorite and most competent squadmate when I'm fighting Cerberus or the Reapers ? Where is the real romance scene ? Where are all these conversations and banters this character should have had ?

He thinks the journey is more important ? Then he should fix it before fixing the ending.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I think it would have been nicer to structure the Cerberus arc like they did with Genophage and Rannoch

Here, I disagree. The Cerberus story arc is part of the overarching plot, as opposed to the more localized plots on Tuchanka and Rannoch. We have several priority missions dealing with them - Citadel Coup, Sanctuary and Cronos Station. You can also count Mars as an introductory mission. Sanctuary and Cronos Station are the two "main" missions of the Cerberus arc, and they work rather well in that capacity. The problem is that both missions are rather boring, with the most interesting parts being relegated to video logs where there should've been direct character interaction. Sanctuary has ONE (!!!) interactive scene, while "Cure the Genphage" has three, plus the interactions on the Normandy surrounding it AND one each in the side missions belonging to the same story arc. The lack of interactive scenes with Miranda both on Sanctuary and the Normandy does the most damage to both the Cerberus arc and Miranda as a character. Plus, of course, her absence at Cronos Station.
 

      

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2012 - 07:03 .

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
I do remember Mike Gamble purposely ignoring the Miranda questions for like 10 minutes on I think Ustream...."uh, there's a lot of Miranda questions" smh.....

I remember that...it was just one person spamming the feed...

I guess I'll have a simple question to bring up at the next panel at GamesCom this summer (I'm reasonably sure there will be one): "Why the hell wasn't Miranda present on Cronos Station?"

[o Ventus]

CuseGirl wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
I agree.

There are even some devs who were surprised to see so much support for Miranda, a few months before ME3 release. Unfortunately it was too late ...

Not having Miranda in the squad, her reduced role and her rushed romance are things I will never forgive to Bioware. I even find the ending less disappointing than all this.

The part I just bolded, I can't fathom how that's a possibility. She was ON THE COVER of ME-2! And stats showed she was one of the more popular squadmates, also one of the more survivable squaddies in the SM, AND they designed ME-2's SM to keep her alive. So how can they be like "I can't believe so many people are concerned with what we're writing for Miranda". But you wrote so much for non-human characters? Smh.....I'm sorry, I think there's an actual bias with their writing group, not lack of resources.

I am of the same mindset.

I know I bring this up a lot, but if you're looking for character bias, then look no further than Liara.

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
I dont even understand the point of the Udina coup.....I mean, what was that for, other than to have another mission where Kai Leng's plot armor shows.....

I think the point was to bring up the possiblity of your leaders being indoctrinated. When you speak with Ashley or Kaidan after the coup they ask if Udina was indoctrinated, you answer "I don't know" and then they comment on the difficulty of fighing enemies who can get into your brain. IMO, the mistake was that this wasn't mentioned on-mission, so for most, the point failed to come across. Also, the Udina encounter may have suffered from significant cuts, if I recall the leaked script correctly.

[o Ventus]

Yannkee wrote...

"it’s about the moments you share with these characters"
Where are these moments ? Where is my favorite and most competent squadmate when I'm fighting Cerberus or the Reapers ? Where is the real romance scene ? Where are all these conversations and banters this character should have had ?

This made me think. Isn't Miranda the only ME2 character that has zero banter or dialogue directed toward someone on Shepard's squad? Samara talks to Liara, Jacob to Garrus, Legion to Tali, Mordin to Javik (And others, I think), etc. Zaeed and Kasumi are silent because Shepard is alone when he meets them, but still, what the hell?

I've taken every single squad mate to Sanctuary, and unless my game is broken, she says absolutely nothing to Liara, who she's known since Redemption, or Javik, who is a prothean, or Ashley, who is the stalwart Alliance officer, nor to ANYONE ELSE.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...
I know I bring this up a lot, but if you're looking for character bias, then look no further than Liara.

It bears repeating. Grr.... this happens when writers forget that they're writing a video game with player agency and not a novel where there can be no alternate LIs. Liara and the ending, to saying nothing about Liara in the ending, that's evidence enough for me to confirm an increasing unwillingness to account for different player preferences.

Edit:
Yes, Miranda appears to have absolutely zero banter with team members.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Mac Walters said its the journey not the destination that counts. I want him to tell that to the people that were on the Titanic

[o Ventus]

Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME? I mean, formerly (and still somewhat) amazing characters being given the shaft (The pet favorites still being untouched, as is to be expected), stories being mangled, blatant and all-too-obvious damage control (That's nigh ineffectual), and the like.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

o Ventus wrote...

Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME? I mean, formerly (and still somewhat) amazing characters being given the shaft (The pet favorites still being untouched, as is to be expected), stories being mangled, blatant and all-too-obvious damage control (That's nigh ineffectual), and the like.

Not really I still love Mass Effect but do know what you mean. If a game is good I'll play it, if I like the characters it's even better. I'm not going let Mac 'Terrible Writer' Walters distort my views on gaming, **** him.

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes, Miranda appears to have absolutely zero banter with team members.

Shepard: Wait, so why am I the only one who seems to notice you?

Miranda: I have no idea.

Shepard: I haven't gone completely insane have I? I keep seeing this kid who may or may not be real, and if you're a figment of my imagination too then maybe I've finally gone off the deep end.

(The wall disintigrates and the image of Harbinger appears)

Harbinger: Shepard! This hurts you!

Shepard: Not really, it's more annoying than anything else.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Harbinger needs to assume direct control of the crappy ending

[Mr Plow]

Harbinger needs to assume direct control over Miranda's arc in ME3

The lack of interaction with other squadmates (in particular Ashley and Liara for different reasons) was one of many annoying things. I would love to know the reason(s) as to why her content was so modest - creative, technical, VA availability....what it was

For me...Miranda began and ended at ME2

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...
Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME? I mean, formerly (and still somewhat) amazing characters being given the shaft (The pet favorites still being untouched, as is to be expected), stories being mangled, blatant and all-too-obvious damage control (That's nigh ineffectual), and the like.

It's even worse. Awesome characters being shafted while Creator's Pets being character-assassinated in order to justify plot-critical importance (Liara from ME1 to ME2).

As for being invested, I think ME has been unique in that it's a story with character continuity beyond the protagonist spanning several games. So your investment - together with your expectations - grows from one game to the next over a span of five years.

If I'm hesistant to invest as heavily in other Bioware games in future, it's more because of the endings. After all, if the world works and I like it enough, it's easier to fix character inconsistencies in my head than to rebuild the universe.


 

[o Ventus]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME? I mean, formerly (and still somewhat) amazing characters being given the shaft (The pet favorites still being untouched, as is to be expected), stories being mangled, blatant and all-too-obvious damage control (That's nigh ineffectual), and the like.

Not really I still love Mass Effect but do know what you mean. If a game is good I'll play it, if I like the characters it's even better. I'm not going let Mac 'Terrible Writer' Walters distort my views on gaming, **** him.

Of course. I guess what I meant was-

"Are you willing to put as many chips into another franchise, after what Bioware did with ME?"

Not saying you can't like it (That is just stupid), but I know I'm going to be hesitant.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I hear you

[o Ventus]

Oh, and uh, Ch. 2 of Salvation is up. Check signature.

Feedback, yadda yadda.

[Aliqaiser]

Page 2 of my comic, ME3 and the Secrets of the Mysterious Relic



deviant art link. http://aliqaiser.dev...t.com/#/d4xad5e

Im also working on yet another lithograph, "Still Moments", featuring shepard, Miri, legion, garrus,grunt, jack and thane.

and one question, for the box art of the book, have you guys made up your mind?? because I would love To do it, if you allow to do so 

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 22 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[Ieldra]

That looks like a really interesting story setup.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[flemm]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Im also working on yet another lithograph, "Still Moments", featuring shepard, Miri, legion, garrus,grunt, jack and thane.

and one question, for the box art of the book, have you guys made up your mind?? because I would love To do it, if you allow to do so 

It would be awesome if you designed a cover

Can't wait to see it.

[Ares91]

I1 Trust wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME?

Yup.

I want to say yes but I know I'll probably get sucked again if the story "starts" our as good as me did. However I know I won't let myself get as invested in the LI again. I don't want another Miranda incident.

Mr Plow wrote...



The lack of interaction with other squadmates...

For me...Miranda began and ended at ME2

I I also want to know why she didn't say anything. I purposely took Both Ashley and Liara to see her and not a word.

for that second bit can I steal that for my sig?

o Ventus wrote...

Oh, and uh, Ch. 2 of Salvation is up. Check signature.

Feedback, yadda yadda.

Hmmm Post ME3 Miranda story is sooo good!!  Ilike they way your showing her character as being more...venerable I think is the word. The situation you put her in is a great one. I was thinking of doing it fir my and crurches comic, I've seen alot of people talking about going that route in a fanstory but I haven't seen any do it, nice job. Oh and if you **** her I hunt you down lol


 

Modifié par Ares91, 22 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Mr Plow]

steal away Ares

Odds on Bioware asking Yvonne to record a few lines for the 'Make Everything OK' DLC?  100/1?  A million/1?

Modifié par Mr Plow, 22 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[kookie28]

o Ventus wrote...

Kind of off topic, but is anyone else kind of hesitant to invest in another franchise as heavily as you may have with ME? I mean, formerly (and still somewhat) amazing characters being given the shaft (The pet favorites still being untouched, as is to be expected), stories being mangled, blatant and all-too-obvious damage control (That's nigh ineffectual), and the like.

Only if Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are in charge.