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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Promised teaser:

Miranda followed Oriana's gaze. Shepard face was plastered over the café’s vid-screen. The volume was too low to make out what being said, but he did indeed look worse for wear. His skin was ashen, and there were shadows like bruises beneath his eyes. His dress blues were immaculate, and his hair perfectly combed, but there was something unmistakably wrong as she watched him shuffle towards the courthouse. There was no ready smile for the reporters today, as there had been for al-Jilani, His gaze was focused straight ahead, and his steps slow and deliberate. A broken man, or at least a battered one.

A grim pleasure welled within Miranda. She knew, as everyone did, that Shepard had destroyed an entire star system. Unlike most, she was inclined to believe him when he said he had done it to stop a Reaper invasion. The golden boy at last had innocent blood on his hands. Where's your moral superiority now?

Oriana misread the look on her face. "Must be rough seeing him like this. You never told me why you left him. I always figured he was your type. The dashing commander and his brilliant first officer."

"You watch too many vids. It was never like that." Shepard had only ever had eyes for Tali’Zorah, and Miranda had never wanted him as a lover. Their relationship was to have been far more intimate. She had been grief-stricken and enraged when she received the test results from Greenway’s office. She had wanted children desperately, but it was more than that. Her infertility was an insult, a validation of those idiots who had called her unnatural and not quite human. The Lazarus Project had been a gift from Fate. If she could not create life in one way, she would do it in another. She would do what humanity had been dreaming of for millennia.

She had taken a lump of matter and turned it back into a human being. She had given him muscles, senses, his very thoughts. She had reconstructed his memories, good and bad, and restored them to him. Shepard was her creation, even if she had only been following a template laid down years ago. No, Shepard would never be her lover. He was her son, birthed on an operating table over the course of two years. She had given him life, and he had spit in her face because she had installed a killswitch she had never used. It hadn’t mattered that she never used it, that she had resigned from Cerberus rather than destroy her creation. He’d still thrown her off the ship. He’d still threatened to kill her. She’d thrown every gift she’d given him, every sacrifice she’d made back at her.

Miranda was beginning to understand her father.

Wow.

This is...impressive. It has impact. And it's so very, very plausible. Please continue this story, jtav, it might come to be one of the best. Just don't hook her up with a non-human...

@MsSiha:
Can't you see a millimetre beyond shipping wars and romance considerations?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juillet 2011 - 07:27 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@Ieldra:

Of course I can. It's just that the preview looks like a standard template for a talifanatic fic.

Besides, what's wrong with Miranda being with Thane? Why? You have problems seeing Miranda with aliens?

[JosephDucreux]

[quote]
Miranda followed Oriana's gaze. Shepard face was plastered over the café’s vid-screen. The volume was too low to make out what being said, but he did indeed look worse for wear. His skin was ashen, and there were shadows like bruises beneath his eyes. His dress blues were immaculate, and his hair perfectly combed, but there was something unmistakably wrong as she watched him shuffle towards the courthouse. There was no ready smile for the reporters today, as there had been for al-Jilani, His gaze was focused straight ahead, and his steps slow and deliberate. A broken man, or at least a battered one.

A grim pleasure welled within Miranda. She knew, as everyone did, that Shepard had destroyed an entire star system. Unlike most, she was inclined to believe him when he said he had done it to stop a Reaper invasion. The golden boy at last had innocent blood on his hands. Where's your moral superiority now?

Oriana misread the look on her face. "Must be rough seeing him like this. You never told me why you left him. I always figured he was your type. The dashing commander and his brilliant first officer."

"You watch too many vids. It was never like that." Shepard had only ever had eyes for Tali’Zorah, and Miranda had never wanted him as a lover. Their relationship was to have been far more intimate. She had been grief-stricken and enraged when she received the test results from Greenway’s office. She had wanted children desperately, but it was more than that. Her infertility was an insult, a validation of those idiots who had called her unnatural and not quite human. The Lazarus Project had been a gift from Fate. If she could not create life in one way, she would do it in another. She would do what humanity had been dreaming of for millennia.

She had taken a lump of matter and turned it back into a human being. She had given him muscles, senses, his very thoughts. She had reconstructed his memories, good and bad, and restored them to him. Shepard was her creation, even if she had only been following a template laid down years ago. No, Shepard would never be her lover. He was her son, birthed on an operating table over the course of two years. She had given him life, and he had spit in her face because she had installed a killswitch she had never used. It hadn’t mattered that she never used it, that she had resigned from Cerberus rather than destroy her creation. He’d still thrown her off the ship. He’d still threatened to kill her. She’d thrown every gift she’d given him, every sacrifice she’d made back at her.

Miranda was beginning to understand her father.[/quote]
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Miranda being sadistically gleeful that Shep's been knocked off his high horse? Now THAT I like!

@Ieldra2:

Katie's right. jtav's fic looks a lot like a standard Talifanatic fic. Throwing Miranda off the ship because she put in a killswitch, stereotypical white knight bulls*it all around from Shepard...yeah, you should get the point.

[LuxDragon]

I can't say I like it either, but that's only because I'm a hardcore Shep/Miranda fan.

Besides, it seems too OOC to me. The Reapers are coming to... I don't know... kill everyone? It seems really strange for her to be that vindictive and petty to the only guy that's pretty much leading the only measure of resistance against total galactic extinction. Not to mention the fact that Shepard was pretty much the reason Oriana is okay and Miranda survived a suicide mission.

Oh yeah, and she wants kids (or to make life) but doesn't show any sympathy to the fact that 300,000 people died. Unless she's xenophobic or racist to batarians. (Definite turn-off unless properly explained if that's the case)
 
Ugh...

And while I could see her spending a bit of time with Oriana, considering the threat, I thought she'd be doing something more constructive.

Maybe I'm coming off a bit harsh though since it's only an excerpt. Perhaps it'll be better in later passages, but I have to confess, I've been avoiding that line of text like the plague after reading it once.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

LuxDragon wrote...

Oh yeah, and she wants kids (or to make life) but doesn't show any sympathy to the fact that 300,000 people died.
Ugh...

300.00 Batarians. Only a dead Batarian is a good Batarian. :teach:
The SA should give Shepard a medal for that action alone.

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Besides, what's wrong with Miranda being with Thane? Why? You have problems seeing Miranda with aliens?

I find inter-species romance ridiculously implausible, as I have explained in several lengthy posts over the years. I would like to be able to ignore every single instance in the ME universe, and were it not for the fact that asari throw themselves at Shepard at every turn, I'd be able to do that.

JosephDucreux wrote...
Katie's right. jtav's fic looks a lot like a standard Talifanatic fic. Throwing Miranda off the ship because she put in a killswitch, stereotypical white knight bulls*it all around from Shepard...yeah, you should get the point.

In a Talifanatic fic, the author or someone she identifies with would be noticeably gleeful about it. jtav isn't. You are supposed to identify with Miranda here, and she doesn't like this Shepard.

LuxDragon wrote...
Besides, it seems too OOC to me. The Reapers are coming to... I don't know... kill everyone? It seems really strange for her to be that vindictive and petty to the only guy that's pretty much leading the only measure of resistance against total galactic extinction. Not to mention the fact that Shepard was pretty much the reason Oriana is okay and Miranda survived a suicide mission.

Miranda doesn't feel the need to kill anyone - where did you get that interpretation from? - and she isn't glad about those 300k killed batarians, only that Shepard is thrown off his high horse. Shepard threatened to kill *her*, btw, so I gather in this game, he refused to do Miranda's LM. No OOC moments here, not at all.

Oh yeah, and she wants kids (or to make life) but doesn't show any sympathy to the fact that 300,000 people died. Unless she's xenophobic or racist to batarians. (Definite turn-off unless properly explained if that's the case)

What has one thing to do with the other? She believes it was necessary, and why the hell should she break her usual reserve to show empathy for the victims of a decision she didn't make? My.....as if *you* show empathy at every catastrophic event you see in the news.

And while I could see her spending a bit of time with Oriana, considering the threat, I thought she'd be doing something more constructive.

This is one scene. You have no ideas about what she's up to.

My......as if it's the ultimate sin to write about enmity between Miranda and Shepard here. I find jtav's Miranda here very compelling, and with her I have no sympathy for that Shepard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:52 .

[Arijharn]

I have a massive problem actually with Miranda romancing aliens, if only because at the moment it doesn't seem as if it's anything but fanfic and to the point of being a completely different character. I also find alien romance to be 'ridiculously implausible' to quote Ieldra, but Ieldra and I agree so much usually that this isn't surprising to me.

Taking bullets for Garrus because he's your bromance, now that I understand (because bromance transcends species). Jumping into the sack with Tali though just seems well, honestly, stupid. That isn't to say that I don't like those characters, but there's a bit of a difference imo.

[masseffectman123]

Pulletlamer wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I don't want to seem rude but please, do some research before coming up with theories. Miranda started expressing doubts about The Illusive Man as soon as the Collector Cruiser. if you decide to destroy the Collector Base, she resigns from Cerberus.
Also, ironic that you mention followying Shepard to Hell itself since that is one of Miranda's dialogues.

1. I know what Miranda says on the collector ship and at the very end of the game.

2. I don't hate Miranda, so don't get mad.

3. You seem rude even when you said you didn't wanted to.

4. I know a lot about Miranda. I've done all the possible "research".

5. I don't care if she says that line or not since that doesn't mean she will do so.

6. She's been informing TIM during all the mission. She will probably do the same after it has ended.

I say something you don't like about Miranda and you're already hating on me. besides what I said is true. Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist to the bones. Deal with it.

You come across as rude man. Miranda DOES resign from Cerberus if you destroy the Collector base, that certainly doesn't make her a "loyalist to the bones", as you say. Maybe you should deal with that?

[Melra]

masseffectman123 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I don't want to seem rude but please, do some research before coming up with theories. Miranda started expressing doubts about The Illusive Man as soon as the Collector Cruiser. if you decide to destroy the Collector Base, she resigns from Cerberus.
Also, ironic that you mention followying Shepard to Hell itself since that is one of Miranda's dialogues.

1. I know what Miranda says on the collector ship and at the very end of the game.

2. I don't hate Miranda, so don't get mad.

3. You seem rude even when you said you didn't wanted to.

4. I know a lot about Miranda. I've done all the possible "research".

5. I don't care if she says that line or not since that doesn't mean she will do so.

6. She's been informing TIM during all the mission. She will probably do the same after it has ended.

I say something you don't like about Miranda and you're already hating on me. besides what I said is true. Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist to the bones. Deal with it.

You come across as rude man. Miranda DOES resign from Cerberus if you destroy the Collector base, that certainly doesn't make her a "loyalist to the bones", as you say. Maybe you should deal with that?

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[masseffectman123]

Oops, skimmed through the thread and didn't realise i was feeding certain wildlife. Anyways, back on topic...

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
.... but fanfic and to the point of being a completely different character.

You mean Miranda? You don't think that's the way she'd react to some ultra-Paragon Shepard who threw her off the ship and said he'd kill her in spite of her supporting him against TIM? I find her reaction totally appropriate, and it could be even stronger were this not Miranda, who's not exactly prone to emotional outbursts.

[jtav]

I think he meant the idea of her being a xenophile made her a different character, Ieldra.

[Ieldra]

Ah....I see. I both agree and disagree. In both in your Miranda/Liara and your Miranda/Thane story she's noticeably Miranda Lawson, but as soon as there are romance scenes with Miranda and a non-human (not just yours) I often find myself thinking "This isn't the same Miranda"

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:05 .

[Td1984]

I know this is a little late, but I've been trying to catch up. In regards to Miri possibly being forced to work for Cerberus again, this could potentially be a (semi-) good thing. If she's loyal, she could feed Shep intel about Cerberus and the Reapers. Then when the time comes, she could give us the location TIM's base. When you show up to fight & subsequently kill TIM, she'll turn on TIM and help you out.

Of course, if she's not loyal to you, you'll get no intel from her, she may be indoctrinated and the boss fight with TIM will also involve you fighting her. This scenario would appease both us (her fans) and those who don't like her.

[MisterJB]

If we are going to appease haters, I want to be able to give Jack to the Alliance to answer for her crimes.
No offence.

[Melra]

Naah, giving her to Alliance isn't fun. I want option to execute any squadmate I don't like, if we're going to start appeasing dem haterz.

[jtav]

*sighs* I like Jack. And I expect everyone will be killable and that you can refuse to recruit any ME2 squad member.

[Melra]

Sadly, that means that you might lose one, that you'd actually like due to the upgrades.

[Ieldra]

I'd like to be able to kill any ME1 team member as well. Fair is fair!

(Not that I'd do such a thing to anyone just for the lulz. But if it was one option of a hard decision, it would  not be out of the question)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:37 .

[LuxDragon]

Ieldra2 wrote...


Miranda doesn't feel the need to kill anyone - where did you get that interpretation from? - and she isn't glad about those 300k killed batarians, only that Shepard is thrown off his high horse. Shepard threatened to kill *her*, btw, so I gather in this game, he refused to do Miranda's LM. No OOC moments here, not at all.

I said Reapers. Reapers are coming to kill everyone. And if he refused to do Miranda's LM, then I'm still confused as to how Oriana is still there and not kidnapped.

Ieldra2 wrote...

What has one thing to do with the other? She believes it was necessary, and why the hell should she break her usual reserve to show empathy for the victims of a decision she didn't make? My.....as if *you* show empathy at every catastrophic event you see in the news.

Actually, yeah, I do. You don't? I mean, you don't even do donations and the like? Besides, that passage made it seem like it was necessary to kill all those people just to tear Shepard down, not because it was necessary for the survival of the galaxy.

Ieldra2 wrote...
This is one scene. You have no ideas about what she's up to.

And I acknowledged that in the second to last sentence of my post.

Ieldra2 wrote...
My......as if it's the ultimate sin to write about enmity between Miranda and Shepard here. I find jtav's Miranda here very compelling, and with her I have no sympathy for that Shepard.

And I never said that. But only if its well written and plausible. Having her sit with Oriana and sipping coffee while the Reapers were coming and mentally tearing down the one man that led a suicide mission and brought them back and is fighting against galactic extinction is not what I call well written, especially if Miranda is intelligent to know this.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .

[Toki]

She was my favorite character that was introduced in Mass Effect 2. She had a really interesting personality and character; such as having super powers, being engineered for perfect, detached personality, ect. It leaves a lot of room for character development, one of my favorite things in stories.

I'm not keeping up much with ME3 because I'm all about surprises, to be honest, but if Cerberus is the enemy she could possibly betray Cerberus for you if you did a romance? It would be both very out of character, but also somewhat in her character for her emotional attachment invested in the romance. I agree it's not the best idea, but just brainstorming. Or if Cerberus is more of a "fake ally" so to speak, she could always be assisting you and they decide to betray you she remains with you?

Once again just brainstorming and not keeping up with ME3, I like my games to be surprises and I trust Bioware to not have to look up too much info for their games.

[jtav]

Uh, Lux he threatened to kill her *after* she resigned from Cerberus for him. I think she's entitled to a little gloating that a man who prided himself on his moral purity and was unforgiving of her "failures" now is grey himself.

[Ieldra]

@LuxDragon:
At that point the Reapers aren't there nor does anyone have an idea that their invasion is just around the corner. It might as well be ten years off. Nobody knows.

[jtav]

Also, realistically, what could she do besides protect Oriana? The cell is dead, she lost a lot of resources when she left Cerberus, the Alliance and Council would arrest her, and she doesn't even know Liara is the Broker.

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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .