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[snfonseka]

Other than Ash and Liara I think Miris' romance is most well written (compares to others) among other LI.

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Asakawa

That's a great picture.

As for when I realized I wanted to romance Miranda it was after the conversation on Minuteman Station. Nothing says love is in the air quite like "Are you naturally this ****y or is it just me?"

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
So I've essentially given Miranda Chakwas' place on the ship, which means she needs to function as ship's doctor. How good would she be at the role? Where might she slip up that Chakwas or Michel wouldn't? Nothing life-threatening, just annoying.

She'd be competent but distant, bluntly honest, unwilling to say things like "It will be all right" just for reassurance. She's also likely to go into lecture mode (Dr.Doctor's scene hits the nail on the head). Hmm....I think on a military ship, her attitude will be mostly appreciated. Slip-ups.....she has a subtle irony sometimes, which may be come across as sinister in the light of her former Cerberus ties.  

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
I have a lot of issues with the ending. But I was TRULY shocked that when the ending cinematic rolled (with I guess Shepard's thoughts?) they just showed Anderson, Joker and Liara....

Now that I'm thinking about it, that's the part that hurts me the most, in my core, with the ending. Especially since it's a movie clip, so there's no "ok, insert Liara here" part. That's LITERALLY all they included and at no point did they plan to include a shot of any other person (not even the vaunted Tali or Garrus got in there). It's just Anderson, Joker, and Liara....that point in the ending cinematic REQUIRES that you show the LI and at least 1 other ME-2 squaddie and I'm sorry, I don't want to hear about resources. That's simple programming and video clipping....

Indeed. You could put something together in ten minutes. Start up ME2, load a pertinent save, record a movie with a particularly engaging scene with the LI, cut it, put it into ME3 and show it based on a romance flag.

Not showing the LI in a flashback right before Shepard dies, while showing those other three you don't even know your Shepard cared about ? As so many other things, it beggars comprehension.

[Ieldra]

dtrain24 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm hoping for an epilogue card a la DAO. No particular care for a reunion scene since my romance Shep dies.

I couldn't let Shepard die on Miranda.

He promised:crying:

Exactly!

Yes, he did. And he will come back. Well, my Shepard will. But most likely that will remain headcanon, since I'm not willing to compomise Cyrus Shepard's values and make a final choice I don't believe in, and I don't see Bioware using something like Siduri's high-EMS Control epilogue slide for Miranda (where Shepard continues to exist as data and Miranda says she'll bring him back again), even less giving a hint that Shepard might come back after Synthesis.  So yes, there should be a reunion scene, but chances are I'll only see it in "for science" runs. 

Against all odds, though, I still hope Bioware will provide that hint that Shepard might come back in some form for Control or Synthesis. But even if they do that, a reunion scene would probably be not appropriate.

jtav wrote...
I could not love thee, Dear, so much,
Loved I not Honour more.

There are more important things than true love. I just can't do it, even for her (or Kaidan or Traynor)

Exactly.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2012 - 07:52 .

[pyro_technician]

snfonseka wrote...

Other than Ash and Liara I think Miris' romance is most well written (compares to others) among other LI.

I dissagree. Garrus had one of the better written ranges. Heck, tali's was better written at some points than ours. 

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Honestly, I hope that they keep Weekes and Dombrow as the lead writers on this. I really think that Bioware should look into "containing the situation" with certain individuals after what happened with ME3.

LoL, it's funny that you mention that because that line has crossed my mind a time or two with regard to the ME3 endings/Extended Cut/etc.

One reason they will be trying hard to make fans accept the endings is that some careers + reputations will be seriously affected if they don't. They already have been, of course.

It's interesting how these thing work, though in a sort of morbid way. Weekes has been sanctified as a genius, basically, while Walters and Hudson are demonized for the foreseeable future... all because of the same game.

Weekes has spoken with the fans in a non-condescending manner. I think that's what won him the most points. As well as the hint that the ending might not be viewed as good by all of the team. 

Walters has shot himself in the foot when he said that playing post-ME3 would be like playing in a wasteland, revealing that he was fully aware and in approval of the depressing outcome to the trilogy.

Apart from that, non-communication has done a lot of damage. I don't see much hate for Mike Gamble, even though he was responsible for much of ME3's marketing and has said a few wrong things about ME3 in the past. But he keeps talking, and apart from official pronouncements, in a non-condescending manner.

Anyway, I agree that they can't afford to drop the ball with the Extended Cut. Sure, they won't be able to please everyone, and likely people will be over-critical. But if it's good, I think most of us will utter a huge sigh of relief about being able to play ME games again and not feeling as if walking to a funeral any more. 

[Melra]

Since I can't PM, I'll just do it here.

MEfan, as much as you love YS and Miri, stop creeping Yvonne out on Twitter. It's disturbing.

[Berg]

snfonseka wrote...

Other than Ash and Liara I think Miris' romance is most well written (compares to others) among other LI.

It was okay, at least the strictly romance parts. Several things were omitted though that have to be ignored in order to view Miranda as the same character she was in ME2. And since for most people you cannot separate the romance from the character development this is a serious flaw.

Someone (I think it was Ieldra) asked a while ago if you only encounterd Miranda in ME3 would you be so interested in the character? I would say not nearly to the same extent.

The way I view it is the ME3 dialogue is some extra content to be added to what we had in ME2. Without ME2 it is not much on its own. This extra content is fine, I guess. It does not destroy the character, but it does not add a huge deal either.

And I liked her role in Sanctuary. It was mostly off-cam, but she did well. Putting the trace on Kai-Leng. Throwing her dad out the window. All good. I just wish she did it with different motivations.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...
I'd say the fighter pilot thing feels a little out of character because it feels very shoe-horned in rather than being outside of her skillset. The email sort of just stands there on its own, and the final vidcall makes no real reference to what she is really doing and where she is actually using a QEC.

I mean, as some people have mentioned, if you look at the email as 'damage control' it appears as something to show she's making a contribution but without needing to add her in any meaningful way.

I like the idea of Miranda flying a fighter. Note that while I think she's perfectly capable of flying a fighter craft, I don't see the email making a fighter pilot of her. The email suggests she put together a team and destroyed some Cerberus bases. She procured the fighter as a military craft to get her team to where it needed to be, not primarily to take part in space battles. 

And yes, it is damage control and can't make up for her absence at Cronos Station and other flaws. But it's good damage control, so I don't mind.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
Ugh, you're right.
Hackets does talk about losing the element of surprise whereas he does not in a game where Miranda survived. And I was talking about any situation where Miranda dies, BTW.

However, it never really amounts to anything. You don't lose any War Assets.

At least it's a story element. Better than nothing.

Also, I just gained a new appreciation for Liara. If you take her to Cronos, she starts wondering if the reason Cerberus went bad was because of how they work in secret and if she wouldn't have done the same thing to save Thessia.
Of course, this is a conversation we should have had with MIRANDA!!!!!

Not for the first time, I ask myself if one reason for Miranda's character mutilation is that Liara usurped some of Miranda's most appreciated character traits - and the role as primary intelligence gatherer. It all started going downhill with LotSB.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Asakawa]

Ares91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
This is so happy... unlike the ending.

Actually, my first interpreation was Miranda looking with sorrow to a picture taken before ME3 after Shepard did not return from the Citadel.

I agree that was pretty much my interpretation. I "saw" Miranda holding this as she stands on a pile of rubble. Taking a break from looking for Shepard.

Bingo!

Something like  'even though you promised, I'll never stop looking for you"

Damn you, Bioware. Damn you,

[Asakawa]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Rach, that's a beatiful drawing. I'm pretty sure it will be accepted for the LI Project.

Ares91 wrote...

Even if for some reason they don't it could always go in our Miranda book right.

kookie28 wrote...
I'm going to bed right now so the last thing I see before I sleep is something nice.

thanks, guys well, we could try that too, Ares!

and off to work I go *zombie mode*

[paul165]

@jtav

If Miranda is back on the team - how is she going to react to EDI? I can't see her being as relaxed as Dr. Chakwas was to the artificial assassin walking out of the AI Core.

Other than that I would have thought the only major issue might be the VS Garrus/Tali/Liara/EDI have worked with her before Javik wouldn't care and Vega gives the impression of being pretty easy going about the team.

The VS however is already having trust issues with Shepard and recruiting an ex Cerberus officer may well cause the (justified) paranoia to flare up - especially if Miranda is providing secretive medical treatment to Shepard.

VS: What is she doing here?
Shepard: I can't tell you / keeping me alive
VS: Boom!

@Ieldra2

I agree about the headcanon - I can't see the EC taking the fandom epilogue route but for control /synthesis that will remain my head canon as apart from anything else Shepard being dead and still controlling the Reapers makes no sense to me.

[kookie28]

Melrache wrote...

Since I can't PM, I'll just do it here.

MEfan, as much as you love YS and Miri, stop creeping Yvonne out on Twitter. It's disturbing.

I'm sort of concerned now.

[Fen1sa]

I was sittin infront of my PC wondering what should my next design be so then I thought I should make design inspired from Miranda's outfits...so I made one.
Im not that great drawing stuff but well I managed to make something that looks like this...

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Anyway, I agree that they can't afford to drop the ball with the Extended Cut. Sure, they won't be able to please everyone, and likely people will be over-critical. But if it's good, I think most of us will utter a huge sigh of relief about being able to play ME games again and not feeling as if walking to a funeral any more. 

Yeah. I personally don't care about the endings as much as some, I think probably because I'm not that attached to the universe per se. I'm attached to some of the characters.

But... the endings just suck the life out of the series. They hurt the replayability of not only ME3, but the entire trilogy. So, they have to do something about that, if at all possible.

I'm not sure the endings can ever really be good, but they might be able to show enough positives to lessen the horrible-ness a bit.

Modifié par flemm, 25 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[Ares91]

kookie28 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Since I can't PM, I'll just do it here.

MEfan, as much as you love YS and Miri, stop creeping Yvonne out on Twitter. It's disturbing.

I'm sort of concerned now.

*sigh* oh boy what is he tweeting exactly?

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
This is so happy... unlike the ending.

Actually, my first interpreation was Miranda looking with sorrow to a picture taken before ME3 after Shepard did not return from the Citadel.

"Finish this, and find me." It's bittersweet, I like it a lot.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

Since I can't PM, I'll just do it here.

MEfan, as much as you love YS and Miri, stop creeping Yvonne out on Twitter. It's disturbing.

The **** are you talking about, all I did was congratulate her for playing Miri in ME3 and that the Romantic Relationship was amazing, and that was a while back. And I found know tweets from her saying that.

I don't know where you this stuff, but you have got to stop treating me like trash with all your crap you have against me.

You hate me so goddamn much, that you spit all this crap at me, and I'm tired of it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 25 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[orenjikitty]

I've stalked this forum enough but never really contributed. Here's my peace offering for doing so. Shep/Miri

Edit: It wont let me put the picture in. Here's the link instead: villafj.deviantart.com/#/d4xmqnc

Modifié par orenjikitty, 25 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[Caihn]

orenjikitty wrote...

I've stalked this forum enough but never really contributed. Here's my peace offering for doing so. Shep/Miri

Edit: It wont let me put the picture in. Here's the link instead: villafj.deviantart.com/#/d4xmqnc

Thank you. This is very nice.

I so want a reunion scene ..... 

btw, I've just received my Miranda action figure.
My models collection is complete : Miranda, Shepard and the Normandy SR2 (cerberus colors).

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 avril 2012 - 03:44 .

[kookie28]

Miranda action figure? You mean they included her?

[flemm]

Fen1sa wrote...

I was sittin infront of my PC wondering what should my next design be so then I thought I should make design inspired from Miranda's outfits...so I made one.
Im not that great drawing stuff but well I managed to make something that looks like this...

*snip*

I think it's quite a cool sketch. The outfit doesn't remind me too much of Miranda's. Not that it matters, nice job

[Ares91]

Is that Miranda ME2 figure? Or the ME3 one with the multiplayer dlc??