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[Dr. Doctor]

@ MisterJB

While the romance death scene is good, they just had to make it the only point where the two of them actually kiss. Whoever decided that this was a good idea has earned my ire.

[iHorizons]

Shepard only wants to kiss Miranda when she is dead.
Is he a necrophiliac?

[Ieldra]

iHorizons wrote...
Shepard only wants to kiss Miranda when she is dead.
Is he a necrophiliac?

Of course not. Blame the writers. Shepard wants to kiss her more often, but they won't let him.

[Ieldra]

Ares91 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I was watching the first scene with Miranda and my Shepard at the docking bay but can't help but notice that Asari in the background being AWEFULLY nosy with her head looking toward them. Kind of makes me laugh.

She's spying on Shep for Liara. All the Asari are working together to help liara get with Shep. I mean did any of you talk with liaras dad/mom buch thing? lol Jeez Not only is it pressuring me into liking Liara but now Im scared to use the restroom on the citadel.

But I listened to Liara talking with Aethyta. The romance-specific lines are absent if you don't romance her. I never got them so far. And why are you afraid to use the restroom (eh...are you telling me there is one on the Citadel)?

[jtav]

Here's what I was remembering.

As Shepard enters the last room we see the cells transformed. One cell lifts from the ground to the platform and out come Reaper enemies. The player also sees cells with more prisoners lowering into the ground.

Tyrant reveal. We see a tryant surveying a suspended cell with prisoners inside. The cell lowers down to the floor as the Tyrant notices the player. He attacks Shepard with his special mind attack and then transfers himself to a safe ledge while his minions attack.

Temp: Cell raises and prisoners are released. Shepard finds Miranda inside the cell. They reunite and Shepard is told to exit through the back of the cell towards the Father's office.

So, I don't think Miranda's role was ever planned to be something we'd enjoy.

[Skullheart]

Oh yeah, that's from the first leak. When Miranda was reduced to a Damsel in distress.

[Ares91]

There has to be restrooms there come on lol. Im scared to use en with butch mama asari there. shell be all like "hmm Shepard sandwhich. Come give daddy a kiss." I mean clearly it wants me and I dont care what you guys say she/he/it had balls and my Shep dont sway like that.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
So, I don't think Miranda's role was ever planned to be something we'd enjoy.

I'm not so sure about that. The framework of a good story with an awesome Miranda is there. It's the execution that's lacking. Had her story started with finding out what TIM is up to and had Oriana come in to add urgency and make Miranda go to Sanctuary alone instead of waiting for support, had there been a real confrontation with her father and had we seen the fight with Kai Leng, and had she been present at Cronos Station, her story would've been impressive, without changing the basic setup in any way.

[jtav]

You're right. It could have been brilliant. I just don't see any evidence they were going to do those things. Wish I did.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
You're right. It could have been brilliant. I just don't see any evidence they were going to do those things. Wish I did.

There was one wrong decision: to make Oriana plot hook again. The rest could've been the result of time and resource constraints.

*sigh* I don't know what to think. I wish I could talk with those who made those decisions and get some real info out of them. Did we fight writers who wanted to make Miranda more conventional, or did they want to make Miranda as impressive in ME3 as she was in ME2 and just lacked the resources - or the ability - to do it?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[jtav]

One of the things doing a novelization brought home to me was how much potential was squandered by Miranda not being on the team. You have a Cerberus officer who actually believed in what TIM told her being forced to work with an organization she doesn't respect to take them down. Tension with the VS. She and Jack should be talking your ear off at Grissom. You could even bring up her infertility when she learns about Jacob. Cronos Station goes without saying.

[o Ventus]

Ares91 wrote...

There has to be restrooms there come on lol. Im scared to use en with butch mama asari there. shell be all like "hmm Shepard sandwhich. Come give daddy a kiss." I mean clearly it wants me and I dont care what you guys say she/he/it had balls and my Shep dont sway like that.

Would the asari use the male or female bathrooms?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@ JB Oh God! What the hell is the matter with you?! I had enough pain from watching that God Forsaken Death Scene on YouTube, and now your placing pictures of it here???? I'm tired of being haunted by these images.

AAAAANNNND I rest My Case! The LOT of you actually THRIVE on Miri's Death Scene. You all want it to happen.

When will you all learn that you do not have to say "I Love You" to know that someone loves you? There's NO Doubt in My Mind that Miri and Shepard are People of Common Sense. I can't believe that most of you are willing to sacrifice Miri. What about her safety?

I don't know about "some" of you, BUUUUTTT I FOR ONE LOVE Miri Surviving, and I LOVE THIS Scenario:



I LOVE Miri Surviving. I LOVE the Romantic Tension that happens in this scene. A classic Hollywood Romance from the Movies of old. I LOVE IT:wub:!

Is there some Moral Problem that SOMEONE in your Ranks WANTS Miri to Survive????

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 avril 2012 - 04:28 .

[jtav]

I have mixed feeling about the romanced death. I hate her victimization and the notion that she needs redemption. On the other hand, it is a supreme;y well-done tearjerker that affords the romance an emotional climax the living version lacks. So, um, toss up?

[o Ventus]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AAAAANNNND I rest My Case! The LOT of you actually THRIVE on Miri's Death Scene. You all want it to happen.

I don't. I've only seen it in youtube videos.

The only time she's ever died in any of my games was the one time Henry shot her because I never took the paragon/renegade dialogues (I just wanted to see how it happened). I reverted my save immediately after.

I must say though, Miranda getting shot made me sick for a portion of that day. It was terrible.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I seen one Death Scene of Miri on YouTube, the Romance Death where she says "I Love You," Kisses you, and dies. I do NOT want to see another Version of her death. One was enough. While watching the vid I tried holding it in, but when Miri died after kissing, and when you see the camera shot hovering over her dead body (Bird's Eye View) while hearing her Recording Warning Message about Sanctuary on the Speakers, I couldn't hold it anymore, and I started Crying like a damn Baby, for...like...30 minutes, an hour....idk.

It was worse than seeing her death for the first time in ME2 on Youtube (This was when I started my VERY FIRST Playthrough in ME2 and ANY Mass Effect Game, when I....I guess...unintentionally saw the Bad Ending where everyone died. That's when I bought the Strategy Guide and vowed to have every Squad Member ALIVE!).

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[jtav]

And, it's funny you should mention Casablanca. Rick and Ilsa don't end up together.

If it were me, I'd have them both end up as part of the Catalyst via Control. Eternally young and godlike via digital immortality.

[cbutz]

While it is a good scene, I doubt anyone really wants Miranda dead, other than Bioware (har ahr just kidding..or am I?) The problem is that there is so little Miranda in ME 3 that pictures and posts of the death will eventually come up. I mean really, look at how the ME 3 squad mate fan threads have shot up since post release. During pre-release the Miri thread was booming in comparison. Because of the attention to the other sqaudmates (garrus, Tali , Liara, kaiden,Ashley etc.) their threads have boomed because there is more to show and talk about.
Us, on the other hand, only have a few things really to talk about. Most of the conversation arcs usually end the same way, how Bioware wasted the potential that was Miranda. Therefor MEfan, that is why discussion screenshots and musings of the death scene will happen. it is nto because anyone wants it,but that there is so little to show that it will be brought up.

Edit: Now if Miranda is featured in the EC (unlikely) or a DLC that lets her finish her arc or adds her to Cronos, there will be more to talk about, thus the likelihood of the death scene convo will decrease.

So what are the odds that we will see ME 2 character DLCs, part of me feels these projects really make an impact. Idk.,..I just feel it. So I remain optimistic, but can see how they might not. But it is better to give it our all than to go away quitely into the night.

Modifié par cbutz, 29 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

And, it's funny you should mention Casablanca. Rick and Ilsa don't end up together.

I didn't mean it like THAT! I...never really watched Casablanca.

Basically, I meant, the old fashion Romance you would see in MOST of the Old Movies from the 30's, 40's and 50's/60's...without the Breakups.

So I guess I'll edit my comment. I don't think Casablanca was a perfect example.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
If it were me, I'd have them both end up as part of the Catalyst via Control. Eternally young and godlike via digital immortality.

Not for the first time, I notice you and I appear to have similar preferences for romance endings. The practical problems of immortality.....well, to ignore them is an acceptable break from reality. Especially since I don't believe in the ubiquitous "longevity is a curse" claim. Though I wonder if over time, you'd have to intentionally forget things in order to have storage space for new experiences. Or perhaps not forget, but...hmm...put into external memory.

[Lawrence0294]

o Ventus wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AAAAANNNND I rest My Case! The LOT of you actually THRIVE on Miri's Death Scene. You all want it to happen.

I don't. I've only seen it in youtube videos.

The only time she's ever died in any of my games was the one time Henry shot her because I never took the paragon/renegade dialogues (I just wanted to see how it happened). I reverted my save immediately after.

I must say though, Miranda getting shot made me sick for a portion of that day. It was terrible.

Me neither. i can't make her die, it would depress me because i get emotional really easily. i never saw the death scene and i don't tend to do it. She will always live, no matter what.

[o Ventus]

cbutz wrote...

Edit: Now if Miranda is featured in the EC (unlikely) or a DLC that lets her finish her arc or adds her to Cronos, there will be more to talk about, thus the likelihood of the death scene convo will decrease.

So what are the odds that we will see ME 2 character DLCs, part of me feels these projects really make an impact. Idk.,..I just feel it. So I remain optimistic, but can see how they might not. But it is better to give it our all than to go away quitely into the night.

As much as I would want a Miranda themed DLC, it's a damn shame they couldn't have put that content into the game in the first place. What we have now is so... lackluster.

Same thing with the ME2 character DLC idea, though I doubt it will happen. I WANT it to happen though, even more so than the inevitable retaking of Omega. When it comes to the ME2 characters, Miranda would have probably the easiest time brainstorming ideas, since EVERYTHING SHE DOES happens offscreen.

[cbutz]

o Ventus wrote...



As much as I would want a Miranda themed DLC, it's a damn shame they couldn't have put that content into the game in the first place. What we have now is so... lackluster.

Same thing with the ME2 character DLC idea, though I doubt it will happen. I WANT it to happen though, even more so than the inevitable retaking of Omega. When it comes to the ME2 characters, Miranda would have probably the easiest time brainstorming ideas, since EVERYTHING SHE DOES happens offscreen.

And that is one strong/hopeful point to remember.  They can add Miranda content  easily due to independence and offscreen stuff. She  can be the easiest to add, in other words. Jack has her students to look after, Thane is in the hospital but can maybe go out on a mission or two if he is feeling well, Samara could be added, Jacob post mission could be added as well.
    
     With Miranda, they could add a Cerberus themed mission, possibly with ehr sqaud, where (if pre-sanctuary) she finds out about the Cerberus base whilel looking for Oriana and  had to take it down because of the threat this base posed.  If post- sanctuary, it oculd fit in with her attention now solely resting on Cerberus now.
    
     Honesly, I can see how Miranda can be in the Omega DLC, if Bioware includes the cerberus bases past the Omega-4.  I believe Cerberus does have bases past the Omega 4-to gather and research on the reaper tech. therefore phase one could be reataking Omega with Aria, her  mercs, and ex-cerberus. Miranda could ebf eatured briefly in this phase, as part of the ex-cerberus helping to correct the wrongs of Cerberus on Omega.
   
       Phase 2: Once Omega is taken, it becomes a Hub, the Ex-Cerberus force, perhaps led by miranda, wants to go trhough the Omega 4 to take out the Cerberus bases there, as they are creating those weird blue things in the comics. There you go with miranda and the Ex-cerberus ot destroy the bases. Here you can talk to Miranda about her ideals, romance stuff etc.  She does not even have ot be on the squad . She could lead her sqaud to take down one base , while Shep takes down another. Although it would be better to have her at the squad.

   The format also works well seeing how it kind of mimics LOTSB. Part one was Ilium, part 2 was SB base. \\
    One problem is that this would take away fromAria. One solutio9n is have Aria go through the Omega 4 with you.  Another solution would be to have it not focus on miranda, obviously. Miranda would eb asupplement, something that really pushes that DLC from great to super awesome.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm not so sure about that. The framework of a good story with an awesome Miranda is there. It's the execution that's lacking. Had her story started with finding out what TIM is up to and had Oriana come in to add urgency and make Miranda go to Sanctuary alone instead of waiting for support, had there been a real confrontation with her father and had we seen the fight with Kai Leng, and had she been present at Cronos Station, her story would've been impressive, without changing the basic setup in any way.

That's partly what makes what we have so incredibly irritating. It's actually fairly easy to imagine it being awesome.

It's true it would be fairly easy to improve even now, which is why continuing to bug them about Miranda strikes me as a good idea.

[Lawrence0294]

cbutz wrote...

o Ventus wrote...



As much as I would want a Miranda themed DLC, it's a damn shame they couldn't have put that content into the game in the first place. What we have now is so... lackluster.

Same thing with the ME2 character DLC idea, though I doubt it will happen. I WANT it to happen though, even more so than the inevitable retaking of Omega. When it comes to the ME2 characters, Miranda would have probably the easiest time brainstorming ideas, since EVERYTHING SHE DOES happens offscreen.

And that is one strong/hopeful point to remember.  They can add Miranda content  easily due to independence and offscreen stuff. She  can be the easiest to add, in other words. Jack has her students to look after, Thane is in the hospital but can maybe go out on a mission or two if he is feeling well, Samara could be added, Jacob post mission could be added as well.
    
     With Miranda, they could add a Cerberus themed mission, possibly with ehr sqaud, where (if pre-sanctuary) she finds out about the Cerberus base whilel looking for Oriana and  had to take it down because of the threat this base posed.  If post- sanctuary, it oculd fit in with her attention now solely resting on Cerberus now.
    
     Honesly, I can see how Miranda can be in the Omega DLC, if Bioware includes the cerberus bases past the Omega-4.  I believe Cerberus does have bases past the Omega 4-to gather and research on the reaper tech. therefore phase one could be reataking Omega with Aria, her  mercs, and ex-cerberus. Miranda could ebf eatured briefly in this phase, as part of the ex-cerberus helping to correct the wrongs of Cerberus on Omega.
   
       Phase 2: Once Omega is taken, it becomes a Hub, the Ex-Cerberus force, perhaps led by miranda, wants to go trhough the Omega 4 to take out the Cerberus bases there, as they are creating those weird blue things in the comics. There you go with miranda and the Ex-cerberus ot destroy the bases. Here you can talk to Miranda about her ideals, romance stuff etc.  She does not even have ot be on the squad . She could lead her sqaud to take down one base , while Shep takes down another. Although it would be better to have her at the squad.

   The format also works well seeing how it kind of mimics LOTSB. Part one was Ilium, part 2 was SB base.
    One problem is that this would take away fromAria. One solutio9n is have Aria go through the Omega 4 with you.  Another solution would be to have it not focus on miranda, obviously. Miranda would eb asupplement, something that really pushes that DLC from great to super awesome.

You make me hope for things tha will most probably never happen. God how awseome would that be:pinched:
I really hope will become a hub world.