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[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
These synthetics are not more intelligent than humans. The short version of "the problem" can be phrased like this: "When an synthetic has been created which is more intelligent than an organic, the age of organics is at its end." From then on, the future will be determined by synthetics, and eventual extinction will result not because of any malice, but because of the same disregard that makes humans on Earth habitually cause the extinction of life forms less intelligent than they are. That, too, needn't necessarily happen, but it's an acceptable premise for a story.

Last I will say on it. I agree, it's a perfectly acceptable (and interesting) premise. Just the way it is represented and implemented in ME is incredibly flawed.

[Stalker]

@Aliquaiser
Awesome work! I vote for the second.

[CrutchCricket]

Honestly, with Ashley's comment I might've even missed it if we hadn't talked about it on here beforehand. It has literally no emphasis. Also she's in the hospital.

I'm willing to attribute it to small-minded jealousy and other unfavorable circumstances and give her the benefit of the doubt.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 mai 2012 - 07:26 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
...because it is evident to me that there can (and most likely do) exist things too vast for our current forms to comprehend- and I don't mean this in a Lovecraftian way.

Yes....but it would have come across as Lovecraftian had they not revealed the Reapers' purpose. The visual presentation made sure of that.

Our perspective as human beings is terribly limited if you step back to take a look. It's based on imagination and our imagination is limited only to what we can experience. It is of course natural to keep wanting to go further. But there is an upper limit to how high the human form can go. We have to change into something more to go higher (not that that would be impossible) But right now, it's beyond the scope of our world or the ME world.

And here you have the essence of why I like Synthesis. It represents a step towards this "becoming more".

Besides, what I support is a striving towards greater understanding, even if it takes us beyond what we are now, as opposed to accepting or even enforcing the limits of what we are now as borders that should not be crossed. Don't tell me that not revealing the Reapers' purpose would not have come across as the latter. There's enough that remains mysterious about them in a good way, such as the workings of their minds (vast an incomprehensible, says Legion). Also the Catalyst. It says "The Citadel is part of me". So, it consists of more than the Citadel. What are the other parts? Enough unresolved mysteries that the Reapers remain beyond human comprehension.

@all:
Sorry for the OT again, but this is a topic too interesting to just cut off.

[Ieldra]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Hmm...thinking of things Miranda would do after the war. She wouldn't be trusted with any sensitive work by the Alliance, and she has lost every home base she ever had. 

Searching for a way to bring Shepard back, obviously.

If there's any chance of that. But I think she has too much of a sense of duty to humanity to focus on a personal project. Unless it's a real and immediate possibility.

I have to change my earlier stance, btw. I agree with CrutchCrickett that Alliance work with Hackett is quite possible. The man who sent Shepard on the "The Negotiation" mission in ME1 would appreciate her. Her actions regarding Cerberus in ME3 (the email) speak for themselves, and the Crucible project had a lot of people with Miranda's kind of idealism.

While I'm at it, does anyone else like Shepard's line to TIM as much as I do: "Cerberus was supposed to be humanity's sword, not a dagger in its back". 

[hot_heart]

I think I missed that comment by Ashley because I bought her the book of poetry (because I'm a nice guy) or because maybe my conversation went a different way?

Either way, good! I dislike confrontation.

Ieldra2 wrote...
While I'm at it, does anyone else like
Shepard's line to TIM as much as I do: "Cerberus was supposed to be
humanity's sword, not a dagger in its back". 

I get the feeling MisterJB does. 

Modifié par hot_heart, 01 mai 2012 - 07:29 .

[Ieldra]

Aliqaiser wrote...

OK, folks,
Here are 2 of my Idea's of the planets surface, (just different Atmosphere)
I would like you to choose, the one you find most appropriate, the one with the most votes, will get the final touches, I still have alot to do, These are only 50% completed.
Let me know what you think.

http://s1265.photobu...yofThelost6.jpg
and

http://s1265.photobu...yofThelost8.jpg

I like the style of the first better. I can't give a reason.

[Ieldra]

Attila 6 wrote...
What do you guys think about when Ashley calling accusing Miranda that she is not a real person ?

What do you expect? I don't like it. Even as I like it, because it's something Ashley would say. But it has underscored why Cyrus Shepard is with Miranda and not Ashley. In fact, given that comment, I'd be hard-pressed to make a maleShep who stays with Ashley. I would have to roleplay very far from myself. 

[jtav]

I see Miranda transitioning to a more humanitarian role (not the word I want but I can't think of a better one). The old Foundation scenario.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes....but it would have come across as Lovecraftian had they not revealed the Reapers' purpose. The visual presentation made sure of that.

Not necessarily. We were given enough of a purpose in ME2. They harvest entire species to make more of themselves. That was sufficient to again keep it firmly out of the Lovecraftian area while keeping their ultimate purpose unknowable (and there had to be an ultimate purpose as simple continuity is not enough for a machine). We didn't need to know the ultimate purpose to keep us out of cosmic horror territory and to promote further discovery. The intermediate purpose worked for that just as well.

And here you have the essence of why I like Synthesis. It represents a step towards this "becoming more".

Besides, what I support is a striving towards greater understanding, even if it takes us beyond what we are now, as opposed to accepting or even enforcing the limits of what we are now as borders that should not be crossed. Don't tell me that not revealing the Reapers' purpose would not have come across as the latter. There's enough that remains mysterious about them in a good way, such as the workings of their minds (vast an incomprehensible, says Legion). Also the Catalyst. It says "The Citadel is part of me". So, it consists of more than the Citadel. What are the other parts? Enough unresolved mysteries that the Reapers remain beyond human comprehension.

Yes, synthesis represents that but like I said that notion is beyond the scope of ME (or at least of this trilogy). It's too complex an idea to introduce so offhandedly and in the last 5 min no less.

And yes I will tell you exactly that, that we could've expressed advancement without detailing the ultimate purpose. Ax the holokid and synthesis but keep the basic paths of destroy and control (the latter perhaps achieved by merging with or supplanting the Harbinger consciousness). Shepard is given the choice to ascend to Reaper level where he can finally understand the ultmate purpose even if that is never shown. You can imagine from that what you will.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[Clayless]

That reminds me, I'm thinking about changing my last name, after a lot of consideration I realised that because my surname currently ends with "son" the only ones that really sound good are other names that end with "son".

Then I realised; Lawson!

Because of Miranda I might have found my new name.

[Td1984]

Attila 6 wrote...

What do you guys think about when Ashley calling accusing Miranda that she is not a real person ?

Considering that the only Shep that I romanced Ash with managed to stay loyal to her, I won't be getting that dialogue.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
While I'm at it, does anyone else like Shepard's line to TIM as much as I do: "Cerberus was supposed to be humanity's sword, not a dagger in its back". 

*points to signature*

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 mai 2012 - 08:19 .

[hot_heart]

Guys, help! Name for a fictional fancy bar on the Citadel: Chyrs or Serenity?

...or some other suggestion of your own?

[Lawrence0294]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
While I'm at it, does anyone else like Shepard's line to TIM as much as I do: "Cerberus was supposed to be humanity's sword, not a dagger in its back". 

*points to signature*

When do you get that dialogue? 

Modifié par kratos0294, 01 mai 2012 - 08:44 .

[Stalker]

hot_heart wrote...

Guys, help! Name for a fictional fancy bar on the Citadel: Chyrs or Serenity?

...or some other suggestion of your own?

Serenity fits with the usual names of Mass Effect bars.

[Lawrence0294]

Mr Massakka wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Guys, help! Name for a fictional fancy bar on the Citadel: Chyrs or Serenity?

...or some other suggestion of your own?

Serenity fits with the usual names of Mass Effect bars.

Agreed :happy:

[MisterJB]

What do you feel about Miranda or Shepard having to choose between pursuing Kai Leng who holds the research done in Sanctuary or Henry Lawson who has Oriana?
Both are on their way to a shuttle.

[hot_heart]

Then it is decided! Thanks.

[Stalker]

MisterJB wrote...

What do you feel about Miranda or Shepard having to choose between pursuing Kai Leng who holds the research done in Sanctuary or Henry Lawson who has Oriana? 
Both are on their way to a shuttle.

Go after Oriana. Leng has a tracerB)

... Assuming that this is not the case: Go after Kai Leng. Miranda understands that saving the galaxy is more important than her sister. Eitherway, Henry won't kill Oriana. There will be another chance to rescue her after the war is over.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 01 mai 2012 - 08:56 .

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

What do you feel about Miranda or Shepard having to choose between pursuing Kai Leng who holds the research done in Sanctuary or Henry Lawson who has Oriana?
Both are on their way to a shuttle.

First thought: Yay! I get an actual choice.
Second thought: Yay! I get to kill Oriana.

[Neeh]

Hai!
Figured I'd drop this here myself,


Click it for higher res.

[MisterJB]

Oh, awesome.
I was waiting for this one.
Thank you, Neeh.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 mai 2012 - 09:13 .

[jtav]

Gorgeous. Absolutely, stunningly gorgeous.

[Stalker]

wow! What program is that?