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[jtav]

I do get the sense that Miranda was intended to be the "evil other woman" who served as an obstacle/temptation keeping Shepard away from his true love. I certainly felt a desire to break up with her. Separated lovers can be very romantic, but there's no payoff. I'm not talking about sex. Kissing, embracing, a general sense that it was worth all the pain. Because right now, I'm desperately casting about for a reason to play MShep ever again.

[yesikareyes]

jtav wrote...

I do get the sense that Miranda was intended to be the "evil other woman" who served as an obstacle/temptation keeping Shepard away from his true love. I certainly felt a desire to break up with her. Separated lovers can be very romantic, but there's no payoff. I'm not talking about sex. Kissing, embracing, a general sense that it was worth all the pain. Because right now, I'm desperately casting about for a reason to play MShep ever again.

Interesting... I think this was the case with my Derek Shepard. I romanced both Liara and Miranda and truth be told, there was a time that I decided on Liara in ME3 but when Miri's break-up scene came... I just couldn't let myself do it. It sucks that Liara won't die if you break up with her, only Miranda. 

However, I didn't see her as an "evil other woman" but more of as a "fling turned into love" because I honestly thought she'd be cool with it if you break up with her. When she cried, it made me realize "Holy crap, Miranda does love Shepard more than I think." 

Also, I was sad that BioWare didn't give me the option to have Shepard love both women. I envisioned my true canon ending as: Shepard couldn't choose between Liara and Miranda, so he breaks up with both of them for all their sakes. During the end, he has an emotional and loving goodbye with both them as he reinforces his love for the two women. He then sacrifices himself in the ending. Thus, the tragic hero.

[Skullheart]

Miranda was only cheat bait. She never was intended to be a real romance option.

[yesikareyes]

You asked for this, Skullheart.

[flemm]

yesikareyes wrote...

You asked for this, Skullheart.

*snip*

Agreed. Talk to the ass

[jtav]

I wouldn't go so far as Skull, but I think she's definitely a temptress figure in the minds of the writers. You can have a meaningful relationship, but it feels very grudgingly given.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I wouldn't go so far as Skull, but I think she's definitely a temptress figure in the minds of the writers. You can have a meaningful relationship, but it feels very grudgingly given.

There's probably an element of that in the character's development, sure. But really the romance lines, and the general tone of that is the one aspect of ME3 that everyone has unanimously approved of since the leaked script. We want more/better content, obviously.

It's not like it would really take much.

[Berg]

IsaacShep wrote...

flemm wrote...

I don't think this is really too much of an issue, reason being that DLC always adds content to non-imports. Javik isn't there unless you buy the DLC, then he is.

Hmm true. They could have EDI fill-in partially for Miranda in her DLC mission in case Miranda's death. Of course this could (or rather should) mean less dialogues since EDI can't know as much as Miranda and potentially not being able to achieve the best outcome of the mission without Miranda alive, but it would work and EDI would be a natural choice to fill in for Miri in case someone got her killed and EDI is alive for everyone

Also, I would love if they were able to somehow make that Miranda mission available since after-Palaven and have Miranda be available as squadmate until the Coup. When Kaidan leaves, I don't have a Sentinel for a big chunk of the game

I like this idea. It at least slightly mitigates the argument "you cannot make DLC for Miranda because she might be dead."

[Caihn]

Skullheart wrote...

Miranda was only cheat bait. She never was intended to be a real romance option.

Then they failed, because for me Miranda is the best romance option.

Modifié par Yannkee, 03 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[Skullheart]

She might be dead and "we don't give DLC to characters we don't like" is a reason of why Miranda would remain as a screwed character.

It's funny that Mordin and Legion had better development in 1 minute than miranda in all her screen time.

[CrutchCricket]

oh brother wrote...
I like this idea. It at least slightly mitigates the argument "you cannot make DLC for Miranda because she might be dead."

That's not an argument at all. You want to play said DLC? Keep Miranda alive. Simple. And I doubt it's much harder to patch the game so the 'isAlive" variable is always true for default games.

The "might be dead" is no excuse in any individual case. Only if you take the bulk of them does it become harder to account for everything.

[yesikareyes]

Skullheart wrote...

She might be dead and "we don't give DLC to characters we don't like" is a reason of why Miranda would remain as a screwed character.

It's funny that Mordin and Legion had better development in 1 minute than miranda in all her screen time.

I don't mean to be snarky, but remind me why we are in a Miranda appreciation thread to begin with. <_<

[jtav]

The romance is like the game. It's really good until we get to the denouement. And the lack of a satisfying conclusion taints all that came before.

[Skullheart]

Eh, to support the charcater she was in ME2? for me the thing in ME3 is an impostor.

[flemm]

yesikareyes wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

She might be dead and "we don't give DLC to characters we don't like" is a reason of why Miranda would remain as a screwed character.

It's funny that Mordin and Legion had better development in 1 minute than miranda in all her screen time.

I don't mean to be snarky, but remind me why we are in a Miranda appreciation thread to begin with. <_<

Ah, well, Skullheart is hurt and angry, which I understand. I do think it's time to get over it, though. Seriously, man up.

You're wallowing in angst now. It's what Miranda is *to us* that matters anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 03 mai 2012 - 03:22 .

[Skullheart]

dont worry, in a few hours I'll be back to the 5%.

[CrutchCricket]

yesikareyes wrote...
I don't mean to be snarky, but remind me why we are in a Miranda appreciation thread to begin with. <_<

Hey just because some regulars think doom and gloom pessimism is in, doesn't mean we're all like that.

[Caihn]

Skullheart wrote...

Eh, to support the charcater she was in ME2? for me the thing in ME3 is an impostor.

This is the Miranda in ME3 support thread, there is an another support thread in the ME2 section if you want.

[jtav]

I think "might be dead" is a valid argument because BW has never released DLC that isn't playable by 100% of the potential install base. People who have Miranda dead are people the DLC can't be sold to. I could see a Leliana's Song style DLC, but I'd think Team Dextro would be a better bet financially.

Convince them it'll make them $$$$ and they'll be all over the idea though.

Modifié par jtav, 03 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[Skullheart]

Shepard could be dead at the end of ME2, but they did ME3 =P

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I think "might be dead" is a valid argument because BW has never released DLC that isn't playable by 100% of the potential install base.

Happily, there's a first time for everything

There's obviously a bit of an... adjustment that would need to be made there. But when Weekes says, "for this to happen, there needs to be sufficient support for it (speaking of a ME2 LI DLC)," that means it could happen, if the circumstances were right.

That's all we need to know, really.

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

Eh, to support the charcater she was in ME2? for me the thing in ME3 is an impostor.

Hey boys, it's a spy spah!

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

I think "might be dead" is a valid argument because BW has never released DLC that isn't playable by 100% of the potential install base. People who have Miranda dead are people the DLC can't be sold to. I could see a Leliana's Song style DLC, but I'd think Team Dextro would be a better bet financially.

Convince them it'll make them $$$$ and they'll be all over the idea though.

Why wouldn't it be playable? There's nothign stopping anyone from having Miranda alive if they so choose. Incidentally there's nothing stopping them from buying any DLC if they so choose as well.  Ergo consumer choice wins.

Have to agree with your last sentence though. Make them think it's worth it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 03 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[yesikareyes]

 
This is why we should do a #FindMiranda really soon. Guys! pessimist or optimist, we all know that we are in this thread because bottomline: We are Miranda fans and we love her. 

Doing this twitter thing will only advance both our desires. 

[jtav]

And the loading screens told you only survival states were canonical.

And this isn't a support or appreciation thread. It's a discussion thread. I appreciate negativity gets people down, but it isn't OT. And most of us aren't very happy. I don't like ME3 Miranda in the slightest, to the point that I enjoy my save where she's dead a great deal. But I stay because I enjoy discussion. And I write because I can do better.