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[The Elder King]

Golden-Rose wrote...

So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

I think it's due the lack of info about her. Other than the fact that she probably has one of the biggest fanbase.

[MisterJB]

Golden-Rose wrote...

So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

I think it's actually the opposite. Miranda's character has amazing storytelling potential and there are several different routes the writers can make her follow. Did she resign? Did she not? Oriana and Cerberus's protection. Who is Mr. Lawson? The romance and all that it implies.
And, since we know virtually nothing about her role in ME3, we speculate a lot.

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Obviously if they're gonna make something like this it'd have to be for the whole squad, back-stories with minor details are the best parts of any character if expanded upon, just imagine the player re-living Kaidan's training at the BAaT program and the Vyrnnus incident, Samara's Justicar training, or her matron years and how she found out about her children's condition, better yet, if Miranda's gonna confront her father in ME3, imagine us re-living snippets of her teen life, we get to see and feel how far her father pushed her, how she became the person she is, not just hear it from her.

It would take too much time and effort to include something like that in the game. And you risk a repeat of what happened in ME2. With so many personal missions/flashbacks, the story would just feel fragmented and it wouldn't give the Reaper War the attention it deserves.
A more feasible solution is: when Shepard storms Mr Lawson's house, he encounter several videologs belonging to the man himself, the doctors that created and treated Miranda and maybe even a diary that Miranda kept as a child.

That could work just as well, something akin to the SB videos, and that is exactly what I expected when on Pragia but instead all we get is some security and scientists talking while Jack kills them off-screen... ugh, character interaction and storytelling was mediocre at best in ME2 from my POV.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 18 juillet 2011 - 11:53 .

[Perfecti0nist]

I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard. You did play the first Mass Effect even though Miranda wasn't in it, didn't you? The importance of her role won't have any impact on my decision to buy the game. I'll be extremely happy if she's a squadmate, of course, but I won't boycott the game, that's just silly.

[Jebel Krong]

just a quick wallpaper i was playing around with, more out of boredom @ work than anything, anyway credit for the various images goes to the respective sources (on deviantart):

[Melra]

Perfecti0nist wrote...

I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard. You did play the first Mass Effect even though Miranda wasn't in it, didn't you? The importance of her role won't have any impact on my decision to buy the game. I'll be extremely happy if she's a squadmate, of course, but I won't boycott the game, that's just silly.

You're wrong. We have right to do as we please, I bought ME1 only after Miranda caught my attention on ME2 trailer and started liking the game. So you're wrong on double accounts. Her role will decide if I buy the game or not, if you don't like it, then shut up. I don't complain about you buying the game, even if her role is close to nonexistant.

[Perfecti0nist]

Melrache wrote...

We have right to do as we please

Sure you have. I just think it's silly. And seeing as this is my opinion, I can't be wrong.

[Ieldra]

Golden-Rose wrote...
So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

Perhaps it's just a case of underestimated popularity?

Seriously, I think that's part of the reason. The lack of information tends to draw the lurkers out. We got more new posters in the single month this thread has existed than in the 10 months before. Add the presence of some diehard fans like myself and the fact that the Miranda fanbase may have migrated to the ME3 forum more completely than others, and you have the explanation. Take your pic of which reasons have more weight than others. 

Also, what MisterJB said.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 11:59 .

[Melra]

Of course it's wrong, since my opinion is the only right one.

[ViSeiRa]

@Perfecti0nist & Melrache: can I just say that this is exactly why it's called an opinion, everyone's opinion is right for him/her unless convinced otherwise, let's leave it at that.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .

[Ieldra]

Perfecti0nist wrote...
I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard. You did play the first Mass Effect even though Miranda wasn't in it, didn't you? The importance of her role won't have any impact on my decision to buy the game. I'll be extremely happy if she's a squadmate, of course, but I won't boycott the game, that's just silly.

While I am not one of these people - I have already pre-ordered the game, after all - I see this as a perfectly reasonable decision for some people. Some identify more with Miranda than with Shepard, after all (I'm sitting on the fence with this), and for others, Miranda's presence elevated the ME2 experience so much above other games that playing ME3 with a sidelined Miranda will do nothing but remind them of who is not there all the time.

I only doubt that those who say such things will actually refrain from buying the game in the end. As a rule.
 

[JPanzerj]

Didn't like Miranda much until I took her along with me to destroy the Human-Reaper larvae; and seeing her rip into The Illusive Man when I refused to save the base. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what happens to her as a result of that.

[naledgeborn]

Disclaimer: I'm buying Mass Effect 3 whether Miranda is a big part of it or not. Two games at about 50 hours a piece to only end the story in a cliff hanger of sorts wouldn't do the overall quality of the series justice.

I pre-ordered the CE. So the game is bought. But like I said before Bio Ware is making a bad habit of ostracizing popular characters for whatever reason. If they pull that one again, it'll be the last time they pull it on me.

[jtav]

I'm buying the game regardless. I've come too far to turn back now. And, well, I write fanfic. Expanding on very little is what I do. I only worry that they'll break the character to the point that I have to replay the SM and kill her.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Perfecti0nist wrote...
I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard. You did play the first Mass Effect even though Miranda wasn't in it, didn't you? The importance of her role won't have any impact on my decision to buy the game. I'll be extremely happy if she's a squadmate, of course, but I won't boycott the game, that's just silly.

While I am not one of these people - I have already pre-ordered the game, after all - I see this as a perfectly reasonable decision for some people. Some identify more with Miranda than with Shepard, after all (I'm sitting on the fence with this), and for others, Miranda's presence elevated the ME2 experience so much above other games that playing ME3 with a sidelined Miranda will do nothing but remind them of who is not there all the time.

I only doubt that those who say such things will actually refrain from buying the game in the end. As a rule.
 

This.

I've made up my mind on the matter, if it doesn't appease me, I won't buy it and that will stick. It wouldn't be approriate ending for my Shepard without her, I know Reapers will most certainly lose in the end. I already know that much, I am only interested in seeing the relationship to the end and be done with it. Sure I enjoy the other parts as well, but I have other games to cover up those, if I need them.

I'll be moving to university soon anyway, so I'll have to make time for games, if I want to play them. I don't think I'd be too motivated to make time to play ME3, without her in proper role.  

[GuitarShredUK]

naledgeborn wrote...

Disclaimer: I'm buying Mass Effect 3 whether Miranda is a big part of it or not. Two games at about 50 hours a piece to only end the story in a cliff hanger of sorts wouldn't do the overall quality of the series justice.

I pre-ordered the CE. So the game is bought. But like I said before Bio Ware is making a bad habit of ostracizing popular characters for whatever reason. If they pull that one again, it'll be the last time they pull it on me.

Looks like CH and the team thinks the same way - twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/92812223155683329

[Caihn]

Perfecti0nist wrote...

I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard.

Not as much as those who wants to kill her because the character wouldn't match what they imagined of her.
I don't expect that she will have a major role in the game, since she can die in ME2, but I don't want a cameo or a temporary squadmate status for a limit number of missions, I need more to enjoy ME3.

[Jebel Krong]

cr: otakoma

[Contalion]

while I have already pre-ordered the CE, and will play the game regardless, I WILL be very dissapointed if Miranda isn't a squadmate/given a serious role in ME3. It probably would decrease my love of the game down to single playthrough/trade-in level....and stop me from liking the game enough to buy any later DLC or recommend it to friends. Will I boycott the game, no....but it may cause me to lose my previously unwavering faith in Bioware. I mean, come one....this thread has more posts than ANY other char specific thread....that should say something. If they put other, less popular chars in, and not Miri, it will speak volumes as to how much they really char about "what the people want".

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Perfecti0nist wrote...

I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard.

Not as much as those who wants to kill her because the character wouldn't match what they imagined of her.

That, too, is a reasonable choice. ME is a write-your-own-story kind of game sequence. If Miranda dies on the SM, you recall her as she was and never have to see the terrible things done to her in the sequel. Not that I think it will be terrible enough to make me do that.

I don't expect that she will have a major role in the game, since she can die in ME2, but I don't want a cameo or a temporary squadmate status for a limit number of missions, I need more to enjoy ME3.

This, except that I do expect the writers to give Miranda a role that fits her status as a high-ranked (ex-)operative of Cerberus *and* possible LI. As I said, Miranda and Liara are the characters for whom anything less than a major role would be a disappointment. Miranda can't be 100% critical, but how the game goes if Miranda is dead should be markedly different from games where she is alive.

@Jebel.
That's a nice one!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Jebel Krong]

Yannkee wrote...

Perfecti0nist wrote...

I think people who won't buy the game if Miranda doesn't have a large role in it are going overboard.

Not as much as those who wants to kill her because the character wouldn't match what they imagined of her.
I don't expect that she will have a major role in the game, since she can die in ME2, but I don't want a cameo or a temporary squadmate status for a limit number of missions, I need more to enjoy ME3.

i don't think that will be a problem, i fully expect as large a role as any other major post SM survivor can (of those revealed: tali/garrus so far). people getting worked up 8 months or so in advance is a tad silly imo. the month beforehand and still no news: yeah that'd be the time to panic.

@ Ieldra: thanks, the more i look at it, the more i hate it, the art styles don't mesh well and the image/colour balance is wonky, but i was practising blending, layer masks etc to keep my hand in...

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

That, too, is a reasonable choice. ME is a write-your-own-story kind of game sequence. If Miranda dies on the SM, you recall her as she was and never have to see the terrible things done to her in the sequel. Not that I think it will be terrible enough to make me do that.

Exactly so. I want my morally ambiguous champion of humanity. If she's not that anymore--if loses her passion for her cause and becomes excessively Paragon no matter what I do--then she stops being the character I like. Why would I want her in my game. Note that they'd have to do pretty terribly, and it would have to be unavoidable.

[shepskisaac]

Jebel Krong wrote...

*pic snip*
cr: otakoma

Amazing style!

[KamikazeShepard]

I just thought of what I think is an interesting idea.

Remember how Miranda and Jack fought? We never really solved it, we essentially told them to save it for after the mission. So what if in ME3, they fight again at the beginning but this time you have to choose a side. The person you side with stays with you and the person you go against leaves your squad. But there will be a paragon or renegade option to solve the problem, but you have to have high paragon or high renegade to solve it. And since it's at the beginning, only people who import a ME2 save can solve this and new payers have to pick one.

What do you think?

[P0Itergiest]

I agree, hhh89 . The "suprises" I was hoping for included: Upgraded (if possible with miranda) looks/face, or maybe something happened between ME2 and ME3 causing Miranda to look different that way..ex:scarring, burning, etc. which I reallly hope isn't the case Shep needs his lady lookin' good.