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[jtav]

That would require Cerberus not turning into the Sith.

[Stalker]

kookie28 wrote...

You know, had they let us choose between Cerberus and the Alliance Miranda could have fit perfectly onto the Normandy . . .

Well, joining a well-known terrorist organisation might be the wrong approach to unite a galaxy...

I would have gone for a complete independent way. Normandy does belong to neither.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 05 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[kookie28]

They dropped the ball with Cerberus.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

That would require Cerberus not turning into the Sith.

Well, I dunno. I mean, you can play as Sith in Bioware games, including one they just made (TOR). I'd prefer that it not be light/dark, but the idea of a Cerberus campaign is not far-fetched, even if Cerberus is portrayed as purely evil.

Obviously, in the ME universe, it would be more like a Renegade campaign versus a Paragon campaign. This would practically double resource requirements, though. To judge from some recent Weekes tweets, it sounds like this was considered and rejected for this reason. It's obvious that the Collector Base choice *should* open up two campaigns in this way, with doubtless an option to choose one or the other during character creation in a new game.

Anyway, I think Miranda fits regardless, though probably better as a late arrival in the game we have (post-Sanctuary).

Modifié par flemm, 05 mai 2012 - 03:44 .

[kookie28]

It would also open up new possibilities for different squad members, besides Miranda. I would be all for this since the current squad is a snoozefest.

[Lawrence0294]

jtav wrote...

Food for thought, but why would you think if Miranda had become a Normandy NPC with all role comparable in size to Traynor or Cortez?

If she only stayed in the normandy, the yes that would not please me at all. I need to know she is outer doing something, taking part in the action, on the battlefield. The best way would have been her as a squadmate of course but i don't want her to stay in the ship, never going out. It would take away the badass, independent and powerful side of miranda

[Caihn]

kookie28 wrote...

You know, had they let us choose between Cerberus and the Alliance Miranda could have fit perfectly onto the Normandy . . .

Choosing Cerberus is not necessary. Miranda could have been on the Normandy.You can send back the VS after the coup, and the Alliance has no choice but to trust Shepard. Yes Miranda is a former high rank Cerberus operative but she is now chased by them and she can provide important informations about this organization. The Alliance can't be choosy and can't go against a Spectre decision.

Miranda not being on the Normandy is a complete nonsense, and unfortunately her role in ME3 suffered from this decision. I always said there will be no satisfactory role for Miranda if she's not back as a squadmate (at least for a certain period).

And there is no better XO than Miranda.

[Skullheart]

I still don't know why she couldn't join to attack Cronos after Sanctuary.

Yankee wrote...

And there is no better XO than miranda.

One you have the most professional officer as your XO, then everyone after her is just meh.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...
Choosing Cerberus is not necessary. Miranda could have been on the Normandy.You can send back the VS after the coup, and the Alliance has no choice but to trust Shepard. Yes Miranda is a former high rank Cerberus operative but she is now chased by them and she can provide important informations about this organization. The Alliance can't be choosy and can't go against a Spectre decision.

Yeah, I agree this could have worked. But post-Sanctuary could also have worked. At some point she has to be on the Normandy, though, for the role to be satisfying.

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

I think she belongs, but the same way Jack belonged in ME2. She would function as a counterpoint to the rest of the crew and provide a different perspective.

Yeah that's one reason i was so disappointed with ME3. There was no counterpoint to the Alliance which Miranda could have represented.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
Choosing Cerberus is not necessary. Miranda could have been on the Normandy.You can send back the VS after the coup, and the Alliance has no choice but to trust Shepard. Yes Miranda is a former high rank Cerberus operative but she is now chased by them and she can provide important informations about this organization. The Alliance can't be choosy and can't go against a Spectre decision.

Yeah, I agree this could have worked. But post-Sanctuary could also have worked. At some point she has to be on the Normandy, though, for the role to be satisfying.

At the very least Cronos could have offered the equivalent to Liara in LOTSB for Miranda.

[kookie28]

Yannkee wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

You know, had they let us choose between Cerberus and the Alliance Miranda could have fit perfectly onto the Normandy . . .

Choosing Cerberus is not necessary. Miranda could have been on the Normandy.You can send back the VS after the coup, and the Alliance has no choice but to trust Shepard. Yes Miranda is a former high rank Cerberus operative but she is now chased by them and she can provide important informations about this organization. The Alliance can't be choosy and can't go against a Spectre decision.

Miranda not being on the Normandy is a complete nonsense, and unfortunately her role in ME3 suffered from this decision. I always said there will be no satisfactory role for Miranda if she's not back as a squadmate (at least for a certain period).

And there is no better XO than Miranda.

I know.  I'm just saying that if Bioware was afraid of creating controversy between characters, like VS, then a Cerberus playthrough removing the VS and Alliance aligned characters would have made sense.  I would have preferred this since I don't care for the Alliance. 

Miranda could've fit in what we got for sure.

[jtav]

Miranda would have been a good Boxed Crook. The leashed dogs that nobody trusts but that they need because of her knowledge. It would also provide opportunities for character growth on her part by allowing her to face down the people she supported for 20 years. The VS is a different case because they were already being asked to serve on a different front and were essentially trying to choose between two different "job offers" from the Alliance. And, yes, Miranda would be about the worst XO I can imagine (hyperbole, but not much). The role is primarily personnel and administrative, not that of captain's best pal. Do you really want someone who is a criminal handling that for the crew. She may be shepherds confidant and exercise authority based on her expertise, but it would have to be entirely unofficial.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
And, yes, Miranda would be about the worst XO I can imagine (hyperbole, but not much). The role is primarily personnel and administrative, not that of captain's best pal. Do you really want someone who is a criminal handling that for the crew. She may be shepherds confidant and exercise authority based on her expertise, but it would have to be entirely unofficial.

I disagree. If anything, it would have contributed to the sense that this is a war-torn galaxy on the brink of destruction, and everybody needs to pull together to survive. The "Alliance" as an infrastructure is in tatters anyway. Miranda, on the other hand, is an experienced XO, and she's not an unknown to the Alliance. She has contacts there, and the Cerberus cells she has worked for are largely ex-Alliance.

Beyond that, in fiction like this, it's better to choose the more challenging idea, rather than the safe one. For that reason alone, having Miranda around, regardless of her precise role, would have added a lot of story potential.

[Stalker]

jtav wrote...
And, yes, Miranda would be about the worst XO I can imagine (hyperbole, but not much). The role is primarily personnel and administrative, not that of captain's best pal. Do you really want someone who is a criminal handling that for the crew. She may be shepherds confidant and exercise authority based on her expertise, but it would have to be entirely unofficial.

Well, she did a great job as XO on the Cerberus Normandy. It's the perfect rank for her since she is the second in command, right after Shepard.

After reading a bit through the responses... I'll take back that I said she wouldn't fit.
She would be the perfect counter-part to all the one-sided Alliance crap and there is nothing that the Alliance can order Shepard to. He is a spectre above everything Alliance and last shot for saving the galaxy. If Shepard wants Miranda, he gets her.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 05 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[flemm]

Mr Massakka wrote...

After reading a bit through the responses... I'll take back that I said she wouldn't fit.  There is nothing that the Alliance can order Shepard to. He is a spectre above everything Alliance and last shot for achieving a win. If Shepard wants Miranda, he gets her.

Yes, and Miranda having to overcome some scepticism about her presence would add depth to the story, not detract from it.

Modifié par flemm, 05 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
That would require Cerberus not turning into the Sith.

Well, I dunno. I mean, you can play as Sith in Bioware games, including one they just made (TOR). I'd prefer that it not be light/dark, but the idea of a Cerberus campaign is not far-fetched, even if Cerberus is portrayed as purely evil.

Obviously, in the ME universe, it would be more like a Renegade campaign versus a Paragon campaign. This would practically double resource requirements, though. To judge from some recent Weekes tweets, it sounds like this was considered and rejected for this reason. It's obvious that the Collector Base choice *should* open up two campaigns in this way, with doubtless an option to choose one or the other during character creation in a new game.

Let's say it requires TIM-Cerberus not turning into Space N*zis. The Sith have an ideology that you can roleplay without feeling sick. Yep, a Renegade campaign would've been nice. I didn't expect that much when they said "you can roleplay against the Alliance", but that we would get *nothing* in that regard, and that it would be so bad that I'd get sick of all the saluting and "Yessir"s, that I didn't expect. I can't even agree with TIM, only choose the way I disagree with him. That.....sucks.

Having MIranda present would have been a relief.

Anyway, I think Miranda fits regardless, though probably better as a late arrival in the game we have (post-Sanctuary).

I'd have preferred that. That way she could still have a story arc of her own running in parallel to the main plot (as opposed to the team members and Normandy crew). I like that in ME3, if only the story didn't turn her into a walking cliché.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[kookie28]

What could've been.

[jtav]

I agree that having her around would be brilliant. But having her in command were very close to it would stretch my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. You have the former 2IC of a terrorist organization. All the members that you know of have been indoctrinated. And she says she wants to help. And the Normandy's goal is to get the aliens to make nice. Miranda in an official position of authority would be counterproductive. As opposed to some nonsense about "special consultant." Her role on the team would be functionally identical either way. I just don't want to have to wrap my head around her handling the disciplinary matters that don't get to Shepard or being the one who is the officer on deck when Shepard is groundside.

[Ieldra]

I agree that Miranda being officially XO of the Normandy in ME3 would be impossible, even were she present.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 mai 2012 - 04:40 .

[Ares91]

kookie28 wrote...

What could've been.

Whdat should of been.  Yeah I was thinking pretty much the sane thing teading through everyone's conversation.

On a side note. I just saw Yvonne's new sobe lifewater commercial...im now buying one at the gas station

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Her role on the team would be functionally identical either way. I just don't want to have to wrap my head around her handling the disciplinary matters that don't get to Shepard or being the one who is the officer on deck when Shepard is groundside.

Eh, that amounts to a technicality, really, so I don't care. Call it what you will. Having Miranda around would have been better on every level.

[yesikareyes]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I think you just convinced me to buy DLC armor...

btw: @whoevermadeit great banner for #findmiranda!

Thanks Mr. Massakka! I really loved that sketch of Miranda and I loved the Cerberus theme from Mass Effect 2 so I thought it would make a great combo B)

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Miranda would be a disaster as XO. I'm envisioning her as more Cerberus intel provider and over the radio handler on certain missions with after-mission comments. And the sheer entertainment value of a Cerberus officer on an Alliance ship.

Miranda as intelligence gatherer would have been good, considering that our resident all-knowing information broker doesn't provide us with any useful information

[jtav]

Miranda on the Normandy in some capacity is brilliant. It's making her 2IC specifically that I have a problem with. But her being on the ship opens up all kinds of possibilities for drama and character development.