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[Ieldra]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
I just thought of what I think is an interesting idea.

Remember how Miranda and Jack fought? We never really solved it, we essentially told them to save it for after the mission. So what if in ME3, they fight again at the beginning but this time you have to choose a side. The person you side with stays with you and the person you go against leaves your squad. But there will be a paragon or renegade option to solve the problem, but you have to have high paragon or high renegade to solve it. And since it's at the beginning, only people who import a ME2 save can solve this and new payers have to pick one.

What do you think?

I don't think this is an appropriate option in games where Miranda resigned from Cerberus. It was about Cerberus they fought after all. Apart from that, they even have a few things in common.

I can rather see something like this between Miranda and Ashley, who are complete opposites in almost everything.

Anyway, confrontations like that are a good way to make the team smaller if they're done convincingly, though I'd like it only if it's avoidable. I'd like to have the option for having both in my team, and, for instance, leaving Garrus and Tali behind.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 03:53 .

[P0Itergiest]

I think that's why Ashley was in ME1 and Miranda was in ME2. I believe they've been planning a clash between the two in ME3. Besides the whole Cerberus thing in ME2, that is.

[KamikazeShepard]

Ieldra2 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...
I just thought of what I think is an interesting idea.

Remember how Miranda and Jack fought? We never really solved it, we essentially told them to save it for after the mission. So what if in ME3, they fight again at the beginning but this time you have to choose a side. The person you side with stays with you and the person you go against leaves your squad. But there will be a paragon or renegade option to solve the problem, but you have to have high paragon or high renegade to solve it. And since it's at the beginning, only people who import a ME2 save can solve this and new payers have to pick one.

What do you think?

I don't think this is an appropriate option in games where Miranda resigned from Cerberus. It was about Cerberus they fought after all. Apart from that, they even have a few things in common.

I can rather see something like this between Miranda and Ashley, who are complete opposites in almost everything.

Anyway, confrontations like that are a good way to make the team smaller if they're done convincingly, though I'd like it only if it's avoidable. I'd like to have the option for having both in my team, and, for instance, leaving Garrus and Tali behind.

How exactly are Miranda and Ashley opposites? Gameplay wise, Ash is a soldier and Miri is Sentinel, so I guess that's opposite. But they both support humanity, they just do it through different organizations. Ashley is religous, but I don't think we know what Miranda's religous views are.

[ViSeiRa]

Jebel Krong wrote...


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This is truly amazing 

[ViSeiRa]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

How exactly are Miranda and Ashley opposites? Gameplay wise, Ash is a soldier and Miri is Sentinel, so I guess that's opposite. But they both support humanity, they just do it through different organizations. Ashley is religous, but I don't think we know what Miranda's religous views are.

Let's see, when it comes to morality Ashley sees the world as black and white, Ashley is like "I'm pro-human, but Terra Firma is xenophobic", "The Alliance is good, Cerberus is evil", "The council is a bunch of idiots"... etc.

Miranda would be like "I'm pro-human, I can still admire Asari culture, Terra Firma is xenophobic but they have their uses, TIM is not a saint and he knows it but he works for the advancement of humanity and I support that" ... etc.

These are not subtle differences, but much more down to the core personality of their characters.

Ashley is religious, Miranda I think 'strongly' is not, why? because almost all religions say once someone is dead he's dead and can't come back, she brought a man back from the dead, if she was religious I don't think she'd even make an attempt to do such thing.

Ashley still thinks Cerberus are terrorists even after she saw them resurrect Shepard and stop a collector attack on a human colony in the terminus systems, basically they're the same side of two different coins.

[Vertigo_1]

It appears Tricia Helfer is doing some VA work today (EDI):
twitter.com/#!/trutriciahelfer/status/92962785801154560

Anyone thinking she might mention Miranda in one (or more) of her conversations in ME3?
Something along the lines of what you did with TIM on the location of the ME1 squadmates?

Shepard: EDI, where is X (Miranda) squadmate?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .

[ViSeiRa]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

It appears Tricia Helfer is doing some VA work today (EDI):
twitter.com/#!/trutriciahelfer/status/92962785801154560

Anyone thinking she might mention Miranda in one (or more) of her conversations in ME3?
Something along the lines of what you did with TIM on the location of the ME1 squadmates?

Shepard: EDI, where is X (Miranda) squadmate?

Man, we're grasping at straws here lol <_<

[Vertigo_1]

ViSeirA wrote...
Man, we're grasping at straws here lol <_<

Hey they did something like that for TIM in ME2!
Who's to say they won't attempt something like that for ME3...

[jtav]

One thing: if Miranda is a squadmate, I wonder if you can refuse to recruit her? If she'll be truly optional.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

One thing: if Miranda is a squadmate, I wonder if you can refuse to recruit her? If she'll be truly optional.

I think that if some of the previous companions will be optional, they'll be in the sense of choosing one out of due (example: one between Jack and Miranda). This due the intention of Bioware to have a smaller team in ME3. In this way people can choose which companion they want on team. It's not a perfect system, because there is the possibiity to choose between two companions that you want both in team, but it's imo the best soluction. The only other soluction that could satisfy the players is to have a fixed team, with all the other previous squadmated that have a huge role in the story.

I doubt that they'll go on the way that you can refuse to recruit some companions, without any replacement. Why would they do such a thing? Plus, if for example you have every other ME2 companions dead except of Miranda, and you refuse her, you have a team composed by 4 companions at best (VS, Liara, Vega and the new female squadmate). Too little in my opinion.

Modifié par hhh89, 18 juillet 2011 - 04:59 .

[Ieldra]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
How exactly are Miranda and Ashley opposites? Gameplay wise, Ash is a soldier and Miri is Sentinel, so I guess that's opposite. But they both support humanity, they just do it through different organizations. Ashley is religous, but I don't think we know what Miranda's religous views are.

I take it as a given that Miranda is not religious.

Miranda and Ashley represent the poles:
*The heart and the mind
*Traditionalist vs progressivist
*Religion vs science
*Soldier vs. operative

It shouid go without saying that these are not absolutes - for instance, Ashley is not stupid and Miranda is not heartless. But the tendencies are strong enough to color their personalities. I'd go so far and say that Ashley and Miranda represent (stereo)typical mindsets of these polar opposites and that they are designed that way on purpose. 

Also what ViSeirA said.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:00 .

[jtav]

I think she's an atheist as well. Makes for quite a challenge when I write her.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

I think she's an atheist as well. Makes for quite a challenge when I write her.

I'm almost sure about that. She doesn't seem the type to believe in a spiritual entity.

[naledgeborn]

Some of her lines do say "Oh my God". I don't think she's an atheist as much as she's an uninterested agnostic. I mean she knows who created her. Her father. I think it might also be one of the things she might secretly contemplate on. Whether she truly has a "soul" or not, that is.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:08 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
One thing: if Miranda is a squadmate, I wonder if you can refuse to recruit her? If she'll be truly optional.

There are games where she's dead, so from a designer's viewpoint, there's no reason why she couldn't be optional. As a team member, anyway. From a writer's viewpoint, she might be optional as a team member but if you don't recruit her, she should still influence events on her own.

In other words, you can escape her presence if you want to for some inexplicable reason, but not her influence. At least that's how I'd write it.

@naledgeborn:
You don't want to get into a debate with me about the tenuous distinction between atheism and agnosticism. I think Miranda's attitude would be similar to my own: I cannot be 100% sure of anything, but I am as sure that there isn't any god as I am that there aren't any teapots orbiting the sun.
Apart from that she definitely has no respect for some of the values associated with many religions, especially regarding the sacredness of life processes as evidenced by the Lazarus project, and mosf of the world's religions would see her as an abomination. I really cannot imagine her as anything but nonreligious.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .

[jtav]

Shepard who can't stand her remember?

I've known atheists who swear using God etc. It's cultural. I can imagine orthodox Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Muslims etc. going ballistic over her creation. And Lazarus is a huge middle finger to every faith tradition I know. It's a cha;;enge to get her thought processes right and be fair to her.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

Shepard who can't stand her remember?

I've known atheists who swear using God etc. It's cultural. I can imagine orthodox Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Muslims etc. going ballistic over her creation. And Lazarus is a huge middle finger to every faith tradition I know. It's a cha;;enge to get her thought processes right and be fair to her.

??? I don't understand, at who are you referring?
About the atheist thing, I pretty much agree with your post. The Lazarus Project is something that goes against any religion I remember so far.

Modifié par hhh89, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:20 .

[jtav]

Ieldra: "In other words, you can escape her presence if you want to for some inexplicable reason" There's my reason.

[Vertigo_1]

I should have elaborated form before:

We know that the ME2 squad split up after ME2, I'm wondering why they did so. EDI and Joker are the only returning NPCs from ME2 at the start of ME3. I'm sure they will have a 'where did they go' recap like they did at the start of ME2.

So what do you think made Miranda leave?

Cerberus? She didn't resign initially so she went back.

She resigned and therefore had to take action to rescue her sister OR Cerberus blackmailed her to come back?

Something regarding her father?

Not wanting to be captured by the Alliance once Shepard made the decision to head to Earth for trial?
She would probably be wanted since her affiliation with Cerberus makes her a part of a 'terrorist' organization.

I can't think of anything else right now.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:29 .

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra: "In other words, you can escape her presence if you want to for some inexplicable reason" There's my reason.

Ah, ok. Though more than Shepard, is the player who hate her. Though I can't understand a reason to not have one more squadmate. More squadmate I can get, the better. Maybe I can't understand this fully because I like every squadmate so far with exception of Morinth, but if there is the option to get a squadmate back in ME3, I'll always choose to get it, even if is one of the squadmate I like less.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra: "In other words, you can escape her presence if you want to for some inexplicable reason" There's my reason.

I gather this is again about the case that Miranda turns into something you don't like?

[jtav]

More that the only way I can stomach the pure Paragon BW seems to want is making him a complete ass. Miranda survives. They just really hate each other.

Modifié par jtav, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:31 .

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

More that the only way I can stomach the pure Paragon BW seems to want is making him a complete ass. Miranda survives. They just really hate each other.

Are you talking about the ME series or Miranda?

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

More that the only way I can stomach the pure Paragon BW seems to want is making him a complete ass. Miranda survives. They just really hate each other.

I used to play a pure paragon but I can't do it anymore...
Paragade is more fun.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:42 .

[The Elder King]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

More that the only way I can stomach the pure Paragon BW seems to want is making him a complete ass. Miranda survives. They just really hate each other.

I used to play a pure paragon but I can't do it anymore...
Paragade is more fun.

I agree.